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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/11/2010 1:57:04 PM   
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Back from the beach......fucking windy........just like here


No, that's just your head echoing against the walls.

I don't get it


Of course you don't get it, thanks for proving my point.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/11/2010 2:01:45 PM   
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Iraq smells like a typical third world country.


Would you please give us your definition of "third world country"

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/11/2010 2:03:22 PM   
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You have this interesting technique...
Every question you do not want to answer you call it a red hearing.
Maybe that works for you but to those who read your drivel it is just more proof that you
are nothing more than an apologist for the war in the sandbox and your opinions are just that...
opinions.


I'm going to answer things that have to do with the debate, and I'm going to skip over things that have nothing to do with the debate, or with your attempts to change the subject. I'm sorry, but your question about John McCain's actions in Vietnam has absolutely nothing to do with Iraq, and my answering questions about Iraq.

Questions that have nothing to do with my thread title, either directly or indirectly, are red herrings. They're an attempt to lead the discussion away from its original track.

Your last sentences give your, and your battle's, true intentions away. You'll dismiss FACTS about the war as nothing but "opinions," apologist comments for the war, etc to sooth your egos. This is an example of what I mean by setting up stress shields.


Thompsonx: Perhaps in your world that is how you see it. Rational people see you as plastering the board with bullshit and refusing to actually answer questions which your op says you will. REPEAT POINT

The OP indicates my addressing questions that have something to do with what's going on in Iraq. Not questions demanding that I answer a question that you asked another poster.

You need to actually display rational thought before you could tell me what rational people would see. Anybody with critical thinking ability would notice that you, and others like you, tend to shift the topic rather than admit that you don't have an argument. Your opinion on something gets demolished, so instead of recognizing that you're wrong, you shift the topic to something else. This "something else" tends to have nothing to do with what we're arguing about. I refuse to play that kind of game; consequently I force the topic back on track.

Yes, I'll answer questions... questions that have to do with what's going on with Iraq, as well as what's going on with the topic that I'm staying on. The key here is that these have something to do directly, or indirectly with the OP. I'm not going to entertain questions that causes this discussion to drastically stray to something else.


Thompsonx: No you skip over questions you find difficult or impossible to answer so instead you wrap yourself in red white and blue nonsense and expect us to think you actually know what you are talking about. REPEAT POINT

WRONG!

For instance, you asked another poster on this message board about John McCain. What does John McCain's actions in Vietnam have to do with a discussion on what's going on in Iraq? NOTHING! John Kerry's actions during the Vietnam War? Very relevant to the Iraq war, as his actions in the past influenced events in this war. HENCE, my answering relevant Kerry questions, while ignoring questions you've directed toward another poster's post.

Your questions were neither difficult nor impossible, they were irrelevant. For someone that claims to be rational, you simply didn't get it. Your claims of "rationality," have as much validity as your claims of being a stock holder.

However, lets put your assumption to test:

From MSNBC: "Bomb Said to hold deadly sarin gas explodes in Iraq"

"The Iraqi Survey Group confirmed today that a 155-millimeter artillery round containing sarin nerve agent had been found," said Kimmitt, the chief military spokesman in Iraq. "The round had been rigged as an IED [improvised explosive device] which was discovered by a U.S. force convoy.


Were the Iraqi Survey Group, and Kimmitt, lying and telling half truths in that MSNBC article? YES [ ] NO [ ]

I don't want your SPIN... simply copy and paste everything from "From MSNBC" all the way to "YES [ ] NO [ ]." Place an "X" in the appropriate box.

I don't want your bullshit, just make your selection. If you chose, "YES," then you're guilty of what you're accusing me of doing. If you chose "NO," then your assumptions, that I'm "pretending" or "acting" like I know what I'm talking about are FALSE.

If the facts are on your side, you'd be able to answer it per instructions, and you'd be able to answer it without looking stupid. If you feel the need to try to baffle me with bullshit, to avoid what I'm requiring you to do, then obviously you've got no confidence in your statement that I'm, "trying to "make" people believe that I know what I'm talking about."

Your failure to answer the above given the restrictions, on the bullshit, that I give you will prove that I DO know what I'm talking about. And, it'll prove another thing true:

"Their contribution to political debate is worthless, since even they do not believe things they say." - Ann Coulter


Thompsonx: Your "facts" are half truths and whole lies...nothing but propaganda.

You have to prove me "wrong" before making that assumption. You've consistently failed to prove me wrong, choosing instead to shift the topic to something that doesn't have anything to do with what we're debating about. You're even shifting the topic away from the topic that you shift to.

If I were giving "half truths" and "whole lies," quotations used strongly, then you'd be able to answer the above YES or NO question. Again, if you chose "NO," then your opinion that I'm giving "half truths" and "whole lies" is wrong. If you answer "YES," then you're a liar. Your failure to answer that question will simply mean that I was right about you.


Thompsonx: If you had the balls that god gave a girl scout you would answer the questions put to you. REPEAT POINT

Yes, I'll answer questions... questions that have to do with what's going on with Iraq, as well as what's going on with the topic that I'm staying on track on. Not questions that you want to ask to extend your stay in a debate, not questions that you're asking that amount to you shifting the topic to something else.

NEWSFLASH! I've got the balls to keep this on topic, and to hold you accountable for trying to drag this away from topic.


Thompsonx: Kinda like ann coulter who substitutes vituperative verbage for discussion. POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK

Didn't realize that the facts tremendously offend you; you need to grow some thick skin.

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Can't have a little thing like the facts get into the way of our daydreams now, can't we?


When you use a double negative in english it reverses the meaning of your statement that is why it is gramatically incorrect. Your little freudian slip is noted.


First things first, let's look at what's grammatically correct and what isn't.

"English" is spelled with a capital "E."

"Freudian" is spelled with a capital "F."

There should be a comma after "English," and a period should follow "statement."

Now, let's look at three ways you could make your sentence, "grammatically correct."

"When you use a double negative in English, it reverses the meaning of your statement. That's why it's grammatically incorrect."

"When you use double negatives in English, they reverse your statement's meaning. That's why it's grammatically incorrect."

"When you use a double negative in English, it reverses the meaning of your statement; that's why it's grammatically incorrect."

Those examples aren't perfect, but they're definitely better than your grammatically incorrect statement. When you correct someone's grammar, do so with a grammatically correct sentence.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/11/2010 2:06:58 PM   
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Well what I find interesting is that you came here with the spirit of providing people with an inside scoop and some, in return, gave you nothing but poop.

You are sticking through it like a true soldier ;-)

- LA


He came here to only talk about his own skewed visions.....The poop is what he is full of.

One way to tell is look at the length of his posts compared to those that he is debating....General rule. Te one that uses the most words loses. it's a way of hiding your bullshit in more and more bullshit.


Your posts are factually challenged, regardless of how small they are. As evidence to support that statement, I point to all the posts that you made.

This is an example of someone putting up stress shields.

What you dismiss as "skewed visions" is me talking about first hand observations. You claim that I'm full of "poop," but you've still refused to accept my challenge; proving my service. You've also refused to answer my questions. If I were "full" of it as you claim, you'd be able to answer my questions.

The fact that you'd avoid both my questions, as well as my challenge, proves that even you don't believe your own claims.

You're not the first one that complained about the length of my posts. Considering that I'm quoting people's statements in my replies, my posts are generally going to be longer. When you make a reasoned, logical, debate, your posts are going to be long.


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The op is a worthless fuck. I don't think he has ever served. If by some odd chance he isn't on awol or a young gal, I would like to know when he returns? I personally can't wait.


I had to separate this from the rest of your post, as you destroy yourself in a short period of time. Again, you're quick to dismiss my claims of being in the service, yet you consistently refuse to accept my challenge. It's still open. Your failure to accept my challenge means that you don't have a leg to stand on when doubting my service. You claim that I "never" served, then wonder when I return. You can't wait till I return to Iraq, as you assume that you won't see me after I go there.

Remember, I'm going to reply to this thread after I come back from Iraq. Or, will I even wait that long? Here's something you'd "love" to hear:


They have internet access in Iraq, I'm going to renew my internet subscription when I get back. I could keep tabs on this thread even while there.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/11/2010 2:07:32 PM   
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They love our presence because of what we've done for them.


Then why is there an insurgency?

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/11/2010 2:11:34 PM   
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But, even if we keep a presence in Iraq, what's the big deal?

So it would be no big deal to you if a foriegn country were to have a military presence in the U.S.?


I don't hear you people complaining about our presence in Cuba, where' we've had a troop presence for the past 112 years.

The cuban people have been complaining for quite some time.
By what authority does the U.S. illegally occupy the soverign nation of cuba?


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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/11/2010 2:14:32 PM   
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I talked about John Kerry on this thread, as his actions post Vietnam had an effect on events during the time. His testimony provided fuel for the anti war protestors to continue arguing against the military's mission. Our enemies in Vietnam saw the anti war demonstrations and they had hope... they held on knowing that they couldn't win us. They had a strategy of just hanging around until the anti war demonstrations successfully got the US government to do what the North Vietnamese wanted it to do... to stop fighting against the North Vietnamese.

The terrorists aren't fools, and are aware of what happened in Vietnam. They tried for an encore in Iraq. In both instances, an invigorated enemy stayed in a fight they otherwise could've surrendered from... one they could've disengaged from instead of staying in the fight. This contributed to more troops, in both wars, dying than what otherwise would've happened.

What John McCain did in Vietnam; however, has nothing to do with this thread's intentions, or the side discussions, that I got involved with. That's why I've continue to allow someone to pull a red herring in this thread.

I've yet to see a post stay on the same topic as the original post. This was bound to stray from topic given where the other side of the argument, and I, fall on the political spectrum. I've explained the "psychology" of this on previous posts. You have a case of posters not handling the truth, so they react like a kid that didn't get his way... the result are the pages after pages of posts that strayed from the topic.

We belong in Iraq and Afghanistan, doing what we're doing there. There are a couple posts on this thread with a copy and paste of my explanation as to why we're there. This is asymmetrical warfare. Under asymmetrical warfare, Saddam's Iraq was very much a part of the asymmetrical threat against us. The Taliban represented an asymmetrical threat against us.

If you listen to the radicals, in their own words, you'll get a sense that they have every intentions of converting the whole world to their brand of Islam. At their disposal are tactics that fall outside of what we, in the West, would describe as acts of war.
Osama Bin Laden flat out told us one of the things that we needed to do to avoid further terrorist attacks. He called on us to convert to Islam. Point blank, if we convert to Islam, and adopt something that puts the Taliban to shame when it comes to radical Islam, then we could spare ourselves from further Al-Qaeda attacks.

We'd be a series of Islamic Caliphates and Emirates by then.

This isn't something that we could just dismiss as "their" problem, and not ours. We adopted this attitude after we had the Barbary wars... just to have that problem come around and bite us in the ass.

The terrorist's "shit" started long before 1948. The radicals have carried terrorism out since the funding of Islam during the "Dark Age." Their acts of terrorism took on different names... from the attacks on countries around the Mediterranean, to acts of piracy against us after our independence, to the bombing attacks in the middle east, to what we're seeing today.

These aren't separate "unconventional" tactics that they're using out there. It's a united effort to wage war on the non believers, and to take the Muslim version of the holy land... the rest of the countries around the world that aren't Islam.

You talked about the Palestinian Issue.

The Palestinians are using semantics to try to claim that area as their own. The Romans called that area Palestina. There were three sections, which translated to "First Palestine, Second Palestine and Third Palestine," in English. It had a different name before that.

During those times, everybody, Jews and Arabs, considered themselves, "Palestinian." We had Palestinian Arabs, and we had Palestinian Jews. When the world came around to coming up with a plan to have an Israel and Palestine, the Palestinians weren't happy. Almost immediately after the Israeli independence, Arab countries attacked the Israelis. They didn't even get UN Security Counsel approval for their attacks.

What's the heart of what lead to these attacks?

The Muslim countries didn't want a non Arab state within their midst. They see all of the predominantly Muslim countries as the Muslim Nation. They don't really recognize borders. Israel's existence, within the "Muslim Nation," represented a grave insult to them. For the Palestinians, this meant that what we see as Israel today should all be Palestine. Not just the occupied territories. The Israelis want peace. The radical elements in the occupied territories won't rest until all of Israel becomes Palestine.

As for the Indians. Contrary to popular belief, we didn't come to the Americas to find Indians living in peace and harmony with each other. The Indians in the Americas were playing out the same drama that tribes, kingdoms, nations and empires around the world were playing. They warred against each other; they connived and manipulated each other while pursuing their interests. They even committed genocide against other Indian tribes. When the Europeans came into the picture, the Indians took advantage of the European's advantages... thus quickly becoming allies with the Europeans to improve their chances against rival Indian tribes.

I came to the conclusions I've expressed here not because anybody convinced me of anything. They didn't. I came to my conclusions based on what I've seen, based on my experiences and based on my research. I used analytical reasoning to come up with the things that I've said here. You talked about people having different perspective... my perspective is based on my traveling the world and seeing what's out there, knowledge of thousands of years of history, research, etc.

As for your comments about us being "empire builders." It's like what I said in a previous post on this thread. Each country is going to pursue its interests. The United States is simply doing this better than anybody else. If we weren't doing it, some other country would. If we just "minded our own business" today, we'll end up as another country's bitch tomorrow.

It's the way the world works, and it'll work that way as long as human beings are around.

Whether people like it or not, nations around the world are evolving. The Western European countries weren't always the countries we see them as today. They used to be different kingdoms within those countries... kingdoms that eventually united to form the countries that we recognize today. Right now, countries are trending toward regional integration. It starts with economic integration, political integration follows. That's how nations are evolving. By the end of this century, North America and Europe will be super nations. By the end of the next century, the whole world will be one hyper nation.

And it won't necessarily be a dictatorship where everybody has a tracking device in them. It'll be something similar to what we have in the US, but on a global scale.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/11/2010 2:17:53 PM   
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Don't you get it. You are impressing no one.

No one cares about your service. You are a joke .

Look at the length of your responses to those questions asked or where you have been ridiculed. You talk too much.

Please don't check back in from Iraq, the library or your mother's basement . It's just not that big of a deal.



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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/11/2010 2:22:22 PM   
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You wanna here about my experiences in the French Foreign Legion?


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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/11/2010 2:57:32 PM   
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You could talk to 10 different soldiers that have served in Iraq and you would get 10 different points of view. Yours is no more special or enlightening than the dozens of others I've already heard.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/11/2010 3:04:54 PM   
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Given that most the posters arguing against me have an abundance of pride,

Which of course you do not?


they couldn't easily accept my message.

Nor you thier's


Instead of letting their "intellect" guide their action, their ego took over to set up stress shields.

Ahh in adition to being an expert on the sand box you are also a mind reader.



Their common sense tells them that I've been to Iraq, so I know what I'm talking about with regards to how things are going over there.


I am quite sure that those who have been in the military recognize how well informed a sergent in a line company would be about the totality of what is going on in the sandbox.


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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/11/2010 3:33:35 PM   
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They love our presence because of what we've done for them.


Then why is there an insurgency?


"Freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things." –Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on looting in Iraq after the U.S. invasion, adding "stuff happens," April 11, 2003 (Source)


"It's hard to conceive that it would take more forces to provide stability in post-Saddam Iraq than it would take to conduct the war itself and to secure the surrender of Saddam’s security forces and his army. Hard to imagine." –Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, testifying before the House Budget Committee prior to the Iraq war, Feb. 27, 2003 (Source)


"Had we to do it over again, we would look at the consequences of catastrophic success, being so successful so fast that an enemy that should have surrendered or been done in escaped and lived to fight another day." —President Bush, telling Time magazine that he underestimated the Iraqi resistance, Aug. 2004 (Source)


"We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." –Vice President Dick Cheney, "Meet The Press" March 16, 2003 (Source)


"I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the Iraqis had nuclear weapons." –Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, June 24, 2003 (Source)

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/11/2010 3:44:06 PM   
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Well what I find interesting is that you came here with the spirit of providing people with an inside scoop and some, in return, gave you nothing but poop.



Maybe it's because he is a poopy head.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/11/2010 3:48:19 PM   
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They love our presence because of what we've done for them.


Then why is there an insurgency?




"Had we to do it over again, we would look at the consequences of catastrophic success, being so successful so fast that an enemy that should have surrendered or been done in escaped and lived to fight another day." —President Bush, telling Time magazine



That is classic bush. What the hell? lol.....strategery

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/11/2010 4:12:26 PM   
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Racer Jim was right on the money with his assessment. The majority of the Vietnam Veterans weren't the only ones that didn't take Kerry's service seriously... as applied to the 2004 Elections. The majority of those that were in the military felt the same way. [/color=blue]


Above in post 175 you decide to include John Kerry in this discussion.

Below you refuse to discuss the very thing after I pointed out that ace mccain commited treason by confessing to be a war criminal and giving intrviews to communist journalist.
You castigate kerry but when it is pointed out that someone of a different political stripe is also guilty of treason you come up with this


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I'm going to answer things that have to do with the debate, and I'm going to skip over things that have nothing to do with the debate, or with your attempts to change the subject. I'm sorry, but your question about John McCain's actions in Vietnam has absolutely nothing to do with Iraq, and my answering questions about Iraq. [/color=blue]


This is what I was refering to.
You do not want to do anything except pimp your own agenda.




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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/11/2010 4:19:06 PM   
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They love our presence because of what we've done for them.


Then why is there an insurgency?


"Freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things." –Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on looting in Iraq after the U.S. invasion, adding "stuff happens," April 11, 2003 (Source)


"It's hard to conceive that it would take more forces to provide stability in post-Saddam Iraq than it would take to conduct the war itself and to secure the surrender of Saddam’s security forces and his army. Hard to imagine." –Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, testifying before the House Budget Committee prior to the Iraq war, Feb. 27, 2003 (Source)


"Had we to do it over again, we would look at the consequences of catastrophic success, being so successful so fast that an enemy that should have surrendered or been done in escaped and lived to fight another day." —President Bush, telling Time magazine that he underestimated the Iraqi resistance, Aug. 2004 (Source)


"We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." –Vice President Dick Cheney, "Meet The Press" March 16, 2003 (Source)


"I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the Iraqis had nuclear weapons." –Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, June 24, 2003 (Source)



yup

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/11/2010 4:25:10 PM   
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Back from the beach......fucking windy........just like here


No, that's just your head echoing against the walls.

I don't get it


Of course you don't get it, thanks for proving my point.


 
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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/11/2010 4:37:26 PM   
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Would you please give us your definition of "third world country"


my definition of "Third World Country" is............................................AMERICA!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/11/2010 4:46:29 PM   
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Please tell me that was a joke mikey, America is far from a Third World country.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/11/2010 4:58:17 PM   
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How would you define "third world country"?

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