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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/13/2010 1:32:37 PM   
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This statement makes me doubt that you've ever served, as you've insinuated in this thread. WE DON'T HAVE GUNNERY SERGEANTS IN THE ARMY DUMBASS!

I was never in the army.

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I don't know who said this to huntie, because he takes out the name when he quotes (which he probably does manually not being of the computer generation), but whoever the fuck said this (and later talked like they may have been infantry) if in the army at all or in the military is no more than a cook, or didn't complete basic, was given the bums rush and a kick for being less than ignorant. A gunny is the same as a SFC.


This statement doesn't do your claims, of being a military man, any justice.

First, you missed the point that I got across. No shit that a SFC is equivalent to a gunny. I've generated enough posts on this board to indicate that I'm in the Army. The knucklehead, when throwing his crap, should've had the common sense to say, PSG, NOT GUNNY! When I address someone in the other service, I'd use their own rank structure, and the proper ranks for that person's service.

Now, let's poke fun at YOUR use of SFC. Looked that up in the internet, didn't you?

Because in the Army, a SGT, SSG, and SFC are addressed as "Sergeant" or "Sarnt." Had dumbass wanted to use that on me, he would've used PSG for PLATOON SERGEANT. So, both your claims of serving in the military is suspect.

I also don's share your, "deletes it because he's not of the computer age," remark. Your battle knows how to adjust the quotes before posting them here.

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Christ, if you couldn't have picked that up from TV let alone you have to know ranks in all the branches, who to salute and who to call Top and who to call Sergeant Major and who to call Mr and who to call sir, and who you can tell to kiss your ass, than they were released at the convienience of the government because people without the brains of a fucking ice cube slots are way over TOE up in there now.


That bolded red statement is the point I was using against dumbass to call his military service to question. If he were in the military, your own bolded statement suggests that he would've used another name, besides, "gunny."

If you could get off your ass and research this on the Internet, then you demonstrate the ability to get off your ass and do what you had to do earlier in this thread... with regards to answering your own questions. Thanks for showing us, the TV comment, how you generate your military experience. I knew your "guy got fucked up by a claymore" story was just that, a story... sounded too much like something that you've seen in an old movie.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/13/2010 1:35:16 PM   
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If I was actually on leave for a short period of time from Iraq, I wouldn't be wasting my time making long winded, stupid posts on a message board.
I'd be fucking, eating the best food, fucking, drinking, fucking, enjoying all of my family and friends, fucking, relaxing, fucking....

Just sayin


I could see that you could grace this thread with your stupidity. Now HOW ABOUT PRESENTING A LOGICAL ARGUMENT? You do realize that you have to present a reasoned, fact based argument against me before you could spew drivel about "long winded" or "stupid" posts, do you?

It takes volumes of arrogance, or stupidity, to assume that I'm not doing what you claim you'd do if you were on leave. You're just pulling shit out of your ass about what my activities are based on what you've see on this thread.

I've done what you explained above, except drinking. I hardly drink beer these days.

The common theme that you'd find in your list of activities is doing something fun. Well, guess what? THIS IS FUN dumbass! I take sadistic pleasure in destroying you people in argument. This; however, doesn't consist of the totality of what I do in my day. I have eaten out, but there's only so much you could pick in terms of "eating something you don't eat out there," category. I mean, why should I pay to eat Baskin Robins ice cream here when I could get it free out there? I've got no desire to go to a steak restaurant, as I've eaten plenty of stake out there. Seafood? We get plenty of that out there. Pizza and Spaghetti place? I've eaten those out there.

However, I've gone places, all over this town, during the time that I've been here.

Do realize that only an idiot would assume what I do, or don't do, when I'm on leave.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/13/2010 1:38:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		no, PSG is unique to the ARMY.   most other branches wouldnt know it.

in the suck, there is SGT, SSG and Gunny  or Gunnie (gunnery sergeant) so he said PSG in effect.  What the fuck he said is E7 one way or another, they never call them pricks SFC or sergeant. No more than you would dare call a warrant officer or Drill Sergeant or  Sergeant Major sir, it is just so not worth it.

I have done my research.   I am satisfied you are as full of shit as a christmas goose. 

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/13/2010 1:38:22 PM   
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i would have to agree with Aileen here.... and as MNOttertail pointed out................. well...


Oh great, another poster, a supporter of the opposition, trying to pretend to be "on the outside looking in" jumping in. Like Aileen, you disagree with my stance. Your post is based solely on that disagreement. You owe me a lot of change for the penny I gave you for that thought.

And it doesn't seem like "MNOttertail" is capable of doing what he suggests others do.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/13/2010 1:40:56 PM   
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Aileen has a point there. If I was on leave, I would be with my family, cherishing every moment. Drinking a few cold beers. Dating a few good men...(pun intended). I would not be on a message board, doing a "positive need to know". Especially if I had a security clearance...

That is why I stated that I know when to talk and when to STFU.


What I'm seeing here are you, and a couple of other posters, on the same side of the argument, jumping on here pretending to be looking in from the outside. Disappointed that your side of the argument isn't winning, or pushing me out of this discussion, you guys jump on here like lemmings and agree with cheap, petty, thoughts.

Like the others, you jump head first, lemming style, agreeing with someone's assumption of everything I've done since coming back. I don't recall anybody from this thread being with me since I came back to the states. Common sense dictates that you guys don't have a leg to stand on when pulling shit out of your ass about what my day is like.

There's a reason I'm on here. I've explained it, via PM, to another member of this board. That's part of the reason to why I've been involved with these kinds of debates over the past few years. Like I said to the first person among your three on three, that took the plunge off the cliff, destroying you people's arguments is fun.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/13/2010 1:43:00 PM   
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Well, the thing is he is pushing a one-way ideology. When asked honest and straightforward questions, instead of providing examples, he pushes one-way ideology.


You're a liar if you actually believe this.

First, you mistake the facts that I've presented here as a "one way" ideology. Every time I've presented you with an opportunity to prove what you say above... with a straight forward yes/no question, you're a no show. That's understandable... considering that the correct answer destroys the dishonest drivel you've been pushing on this thread.

You'd have to be as blind as a bat to not see that I've answered your questions on this thread, questions relevant to the discussion. Don't mistake your dissatisfaction with the response as my "avoiding" the question. I've answered your questions in a previous thread. You quote me from that thread, yet ask me questions that, if you look at the same thread you got those quotes from, you'd answer your own questions.

The only people on there, that's pushing a one way ideology, are the people that I'm arguing with.

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quick one for ya huntie, so this guy has an R&R at his half way, must be a 15 month deploy now. the US ARMY all expenses paid, trots his ass all the way back to the states. Now, when the suck forced you to take R&R from that little dust up out east, couldn't you have just about walked to the R&R disneyland, did you do hawaii? So, the question then, when did the government becomes so generous, or did we get fucked? or are we being fuckin hosed here?


The vast majority of the people that go on R & R from the Middle East go back to the United States. Very few people go on OCONUS R&R. The Atlanta Airport has a staff, and set procedures, just for troops coming back and forth on R&R because of that.

What you got from the Internet, about R and R during the Vietnam War, isn't entirely applicable today, as there are some changes:

Vietnam R&R

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/13/2010 1:45:05 PM   
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Well, the thing is he is pushing a one-way ideology. When asked honest and straightforward questions, instead of providing examples, he pushes one-way ideology.

quick one for ya huntie, so this guy has an R&R at his half way, must be a 15 month deploy now. the US ARMY all expenses paid, trots his ass all the way back to the states. Now, when the suck forced you to take R&R from that little dust up out east, couldn't you have just about walked to the R&R disneyland, did you do hawaii? So, the question then, when did the government becomes so generous, or did we get fucked? or are we being fuckin hosed here?

I got one five day R&R in 23 months.
It took me almost a week to recover from five days in manilla.
You know the rules for getting fucked...
Try to get comfortable...
and
Don't forget to breath.


And which movie did you get that line from? Or did you overhear that at a local bar?

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/13/2010 1:45:59 PM   
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You do realize that you have to present a reasoned, fact based argument against me before you could spew drivel about "long winded" or "stupid" posts, do you?



No she doesn't. She can post what she wants to post within the guidelines of TOS.

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Well, guess what? THIS IS FUN dumbass! I take sadistic pleasure in destroying you people in argument.


That's what it really is all about for you. Not to offer a point of view, but to be an ass. What will "the others" think of you as you have represented yourself here when you take this thread back to them?

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/13/2010 1:48:20 PM   
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It was not directed at you, Thompsonx, but the OP.

Hell, I still have nightmares from my time in the service. I don't know why, but I do.



Me too.


Considering someone with your thought process, I wouldn't be surprised if your nightmares about your time of service consists of you swimming around your post... on dry land.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/13/2010 1:50:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		thompsonx: Tell me are you this way with the gunny or the lt when they tell you it is time to bathe?

herfacechair: This statement makes me doubt that you've ever served, as you've insinuated in this thread. WE DON'T HAVE GUNNERY SERGEANTS IN THE ARMY DUMBASS! Also, you're talking about the infantry, one of the dirtiest job positions in the Army. An LT telling someone to bath? ROTFLMFAO! You weren't in Vietnam, weren't you?

thompsonx: So is it your position that the infantry does not bathe?

WHERE, in my post, do I say that the infantry doesn't bath?

That's another one of your loaded questions.

You tried to insinuate that you were a veteran. I've stated that I'm in the Army. Put two and two together... instead of using the Army's rank structure when addressing someone in the army that I'd work for, you pulled a rank common on television, the gunny, short for gunnery sergeant. You didn't even do an internet research to find out that the gunny's equivalent is the SFC, or Sergeant First Class. Your battle continued on with your mistake. He explained that SFC is the equivalent rank. However, even he missed something during his internet search to create his military experience.

We use "SSG and SFC" when doing official business, but use another term when we're talking face to face... something that your battle should've been tracking considering his claims of being an Army Veteran.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/13/2010 1:50:50 PM   
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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/13/2010 1:52:52 PM   
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Ja, I sorta remember it that way too, they dropped you on a base with military transport. You could sashay off if you wanted, and I could see where you would want to sashay off Riley or Leavenworth (jails (retraining) and prisons to non-mil). But I don't see with the extensions forced, that hes got a 30 day R&R allie allie in free to his house


And this joker insinuates that he reads the Army Times.

Had you read the Army Times, you would've been tracking that people get CONUS R&R. The Army pays for your trip to your point of entry in the United States. In my case, I didn't pay a dime from point of entry to Virginia Beach.

The military transport takes you from Iraq/Afghanistan to Kuwait...

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, nor based on his prior postings that he has any TIS/TIG. what you think? home from basic, or ait (whatever you guys call schooling)? Talks big like it.


The only reference to my time in grade and time in service, that you'd get in my postings here, is my offer to show you my LES. But, here's what you said:

"I don't need to see your fuckin paperwork," -mnottertail

You see, had you accepted my challenge, you would've seen my TIS/TIG. I guess it'd be easier to remain ignorant of the facts about me so that you could continue to talk shit about my service. Had you been someone I trusted, I would've linked you to my military.com posts... posts that would've indicated when I graduated from OSUT.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/13/2010 1:54:19 PM   
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Well of course he is there while you are here...I am sure you miss him and of course he must surely miss you.


What you said:

"Why is it that when ever baghdad bob is not around neither are you?" -thompsonx

See the contradiction? Here, let's do a side by side comparison:

"Why is it that when ever baghdad bob is not around neither are you?" -thompsonx

"Well of course he is there while you are here" -thompsonx

God I love making this freak look stupid with his own words!" Debating with you is like beating a man up with his own prosthetic legs. This is one of the reasons I take sadistic pleasure in debating with you people.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/13/2010 1:56:10 PM   
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Think he's old hipshooters grandson?


The only thing I think is someone needs to cut off his internet access and lock him up in Mom's basement before we have another 30 pages of this lame thread.


You're freaking out over this thread reaching 60 + pages? Serious? One thread that I debated on, in another message board, blew past 220 + pages, and that was with 50 posts per page.

"psssst, if people start ignoring him he just might go away" - rulemylife

You control your own actions, but not mine. As I've indicated on this thread, I'm going to keep coming back as long as you guys give me reason to. I take sadistic pleasure in destroying your arguments... and credibility. Want' me gone from here? You know what to do, hint, you have to do something on your end to make it happen. You said it in the quote in bold.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/13/2010 1:58:04 PM   
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That's what it really is all about for you. Not to offer a point of view, but to be an ass. What will "the others" think of you as you have represented yourself here when you take this thread back to them?

The whole thing reminds me of how security guards wish they were "real cops," or how university lecturers enjoy being called "Professor" even though they're not.  He's facile with words, but not a skilled propagandist, so he's not on a media team.  If he wrote press releases sent to CNN, or helped to monitor and influence Wikipedia and political blogs, he wouldn't be allowed to run this thread at all.  The "others" already know he isn't good enough to cut it at a job like that, precisely because he is an ass, unable to incorporate the concerns of others and still make his point.  He's acting out a fantasy here.  It's a humiliation fantasy, but hey, he consented to it, so he started his thread on the right site.


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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/13/2010 1:59:26 PM   
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You: There were no WMD

Me: There were WMD


It is pretty clear that you think you are still back in high school on the debate team.
What does it take to be a WMD?
First it has to be a weapon.
Second it has to be capable of mass destruction.
Thus we have the name "weapon of mass destruction.
If you have an atomic bomb and no fuse you have a very heavy metal container and nothing else.
If you have the fuse and no bomb you have a trigger device and nothing else.
If you have degraded biologic agents that two soldiers are exposed to it in the field with no ill effects you do not have a weapon, you have toxic waste.
Didn't they teach you in high school debate class that you must logically use words that mean what the definition of the word says it is.
You have simply given the wrong definition but that does not matter to you because it fits your argument.
The agents by themselves are not weapons which you would like to have us believe.
The agents were so degraded that they could not have been used effectively which you have noted on several occasions.
So your examples of wmd are neither weapons nor capable of mass destruction.


WRONG.

This has nothing to do with debate team tactics, this has everything to do with reality. WMD consists of 3 components, nuclear, biological, and chemical components. Sarin gas is a chemical agent, hence a WMD. That's ALL that's required for it to be a WMD. The soldiers that got exposed to it ended up getting treated for it, not exactly "inactive." But the fact remains, chemical agents were used against our troops.

You could pull shit out of your ass about what constitutes WMD, or what it has to be to constitute WMD, but that doesn't change the fact that soldiers, as part of a convoy, got attacked via IED, and got sarin exposure, something that lead to them getting treatment.

Sarin gas is WMD! How about answering my question:

From MSNBC: "Bomb Said to hold deadly sarin gas explodes in Iraq"

"The Iraqi Survey Group confirmed today that a 155-millimeter artillery round containing sarin nerve agent had been found," said Kimmitt, the chief military spokesman in Iraq. "The round had been rigged as an IED [improvised explosive device] which was discovered by a U.S. force convoy.

Were the Iraqi Survey Group, and Kimmitt, lying and telling half truths in that MSNBC article? YES [ ] NO [ ]

I don't want your SPIN... simply copy and paste everything from "From MSNBC" all the way to "YES [ ] NO [ ]." Place an "X" in the appropriate box.

Your failure to answer this, given the instructions I gave you, will prove that you don't have confidence in what you just told me. If you answer "NO," then you prove me right, and your entire argument wrong.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/13/2010 2:01:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		now, didnt you think you made some real points by giving me hell for  my quoting part of what you said (although I did quote it all in the post) but you do in indiscriminately, and constantly and with abusion and no, you aint said not one fucking actual concrete thing here, in all these posts its all bullshit.

And I am happy that you have a high opinion of the asswipe you spew, but you might look here private, and see you are losing big fuckin ground, anyone who was a vet that  supported you in any small thing, no longer seems to.

Boy like you shits in his pants, welll goddammit, hes just gonna have to sit in it awhile.

LOL.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/13/2010 2:01:41 PM   
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REPEAT POINT

And as I have pointed out repeatedly, they were more than very likely ours from the day when we backed Saddam in the Iran-Iraq war.

We knew what the fuck they had all along because we sold or gave it to them, and we know what they expended.....

REPEAT POINT


From the Iraq Survey Group Final Report:

"Saddam's centrality to the Regime's political structure meant that he was the hub of Iraqi WMD policy and intent. His personalized and intricate administrative methods meant that control of WMD development and its deployment was never far from his touch (see the "Excerpts from a Closed-Door Meeting" inset). His chain of command for WMD was optimized for his control rather than to ensure the participation of Iraq's normal political, administrative or military structures. Under this arrangement, the absence of information about WMD in routine structures and the Iraqi military's order of battle would not mean it did not exist. Even so, if WMD existed, its absence from Iraqi military formations and planning when war was imminent in 2003 would be hard to explain."

From Global Security Dot Org:

"To avoid defeat, Iraq sought out every possible weapon. This included developing a self-sustaining capability to produce militarily significant quantities of chemical warfare agents."

Based on the ISG Report, and Global Security, these WMD were IRAQ'S to begin with.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/13/2010 2:04:17 PM   
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From MSNBC: "Bomb Said to hold deadly sarin gas explodes in Iraq"


Apparently the bomb was not so "deadly" as sarin has a relatively short shelf life. Use or lose.


That's beside the point. The opposing side claims that there were no WMD. In order for that statement to be true, then the sarin incident that you talked about here shouldn't have occurred. But it did. This one instance alone proves wrong the lie that Iraq didn't have WMD.

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The United States and Russia had sarin weapons and nuclear weapons since 1950.


Which one of these countries gassed their own people lately? Site credible sources. The next question is, out of these countries that "gassed" their own people, how many of them have plans to get with Al Qaeda, so that Al Qaeda can have WMD to use against the American people?

This statement is beside the point. People claimed that Saddam and Bin Laden wouldn't work together, but they miss a key point behind the saying, "An enemy of my enemy is a friend." It's an Arab saying.

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My question is twofold (perhaps it has already been asked and I apologize if it has):

1. Assuming for the moment they had stockpiles, exactly how was Iraq's possession of WMD an imminent threat to the United States to justify a preemptive strike?

2. Why was the removal of Saddam worth 4500 lives of young Americans, countless serious military wounded, and untold numbers of civilian deaths? (I won't even begin to consider the drain on our national treasury)

Would appreciate your answers. Thanks.


I've lost count of how many times the people I've debated with, over the past few years, have asked this question. The wording is different, but the questions are the same.

So I'm going to post a copy and paste of one of my responses. This one was targeted to one person, not you, but the concepts are sill applicable.

1. The War on Terrorism is not confined to Afghanistan or Al-Qaeda.

2. If Osama Bin Laden leaves Afghanistan, there is nothing any amount of troops INSIDE of Afghanistan can do to

Let me run this to you again.

Our troops in Afghanistan are limited to that country's boundaries. So, it does not matter if we have 1 million boots on the ground in Afghanistan, or just 10. If Bin Laden is OUTSIDE of Afghanistan, there is nothing any amount of boots on the ground INSIDE Afghanistan would be able to do to secure his capture.

3. Iraq was not a huge division on the war on terrorism. Anybody that claims such fails to understand the true nature of the war we are involved with.

"Whether it be the intrusions of hackers, a major explosion at the World Trade Center, or a bombing attack by Bin Laden, all of these greatly exceed the frequency bandwiths understood by the American military....This is because they have never taken into consideration and have even refused to consider means that are contrary to tradition and to select measures of operation other than military means" Col. Qiao Lian and Col. Wang Xiangsui, Unrestricted Warfare, 1999.

In the book Unrestricted Warfare, these two Colonels interchange the U.S. military with the United States and the West.

You've proven these two colonel's point - "to the letter".

Means other than tradition.

The fact that you would label Iraq as a "big diversion" proves that you failed to see "outside of tradition". Actual and potential alliances of hostile nations and organizations against the west.

So NO, Iraq was NOT a huge diversion. Under asymmetrical warfare, you do not need to use your own military to attack another nation. You do not even need to send a military over to be an imminent threat. Iraq under Saddam was an asymmetrical threat to the United States. Al-Qaeda had the manpower. They had the martyrdom brigades willing to send suicide bombers to the United States. What is missing is WMD. Something that Saddam HAD and was working on.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/13/2010 2:04:58 PM   
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an organ for W to masturbate to   REPEAT POINT REPEAT POIT REPEAT POINT.
 
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