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RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? - 5/6/2010 12:58:02 PM   
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Like nails on a chalkboard to me. 

I think what people write is a reflection of their education.  Is bad writing it a deal breaker?  To me, no.  I have known many highly intelligent people that did not have the benefit of a good education, but it is a first impression and "usually" poor writing skills indicate a lower intelligence.  

If they can't keep up with me I CANNOT, under any circumstances submit to them.  It just won't happen.

So I guess poor writing skills to me, are a red flag of caution.


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RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? - 5/6/2010 1:09:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		To get my take on the issue of  grammar, punctuation, and spelling, you can check my journal entry on the subject. Yes, I will select "I" for ignore if someone is writing me in text-speak, I won't even use it when instant-messaging. Some have called me a free-roaming grammar-Nazi, some have said that I weigh each word I speak before using it, to which I happly plead guilty to all counts. Anyone can have a typo-moment or two, and I can usually tell those from blatant ignorance-based misuse. To habbitually and continually misuse the language tells me that it is unlikely we'd have much in common, especially if your spoken and your written usage are equally excerable. I can appreciate the skillfull use of colloquialisms, they add color to the language, but please, folks, let's take it to a higher level in our communications. The world generally judges us by how we speak and write, and if we do so no better than a 4th-grader from a failing school system, that is what your intellect will be taken to be.
 
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RE: Is good grammar a reasonable standard? - 5/6/2010 1:10:55 PM   
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RE: Is good grammar a reasonable standard? - 5/6/2010 1:23:47 PM   
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RE: Is good grammar a reasonable standard? - 5/6/2010 1:24:37 PM   
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RE: Is good grammar a reasonable standard? - 5/6/2010 1:30:10 PM   
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RE: Is good grammar a reasonable standard? - 5/6/2010 1:36:11 PM   
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RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? - 5/6/2010 1:46:41 PM   
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RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? - 5/6/2010 2:07:33 PM   
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RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? - 5/6/2010 2:18:46 PM   
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RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? - 5/6/2010 2:35:58 PM   
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I don't think it is unreasonable to want something specific but you have to hold yourself to account also.
Your post is full of typos and bad grammer.  It's all cool and please do not take this as a dig.
I have dyslexia.  It's very, very difficult to make sure that everything is typed out ok because spell checkers etc do not make allowances for that.

That said, I think that there is a big difference between someone being illiterate and someone who is just being lazy.  I would welcome someone with textual or linguistic difficulties any day over a lazy text(txt) speaker.

the.dark.

Same here...Hate laziness but typos are simple mistakes and those that hinge things on simple issues seem to me to be simple themselves.

I'd be worrying about the person as a whole first..I'm not a college graduate..What do I know?(Shrugs)


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RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? - 5/6/2010 2:48:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		tsatske, I see that you're saying your real problem is having a feeling of deception. 

As I see it, you either give them enough rope to hang themselves, or else just shut down the budding friendship.  If my instinct is telling me that something isn't quite right, then I don't try to justify myself, I just leave.

Something else I thought to mention.  There are a lot of ethnic Americans who hang out with others of their own kind.  Some spend their entire lives here and don't learn to speak or type English well, as their friends and family all speak another language around each other.  My ex-husband's new family is like this, he's Lebanese and they rarely speak any English at home, so after over 25 years in this country, he's still sounding like he's fresh off the boat sometimes, lol.  His children are American, but English is definitely a second language for them.

About the Indian thing.  There are so many pervy Indian guys with virtually no hope of getting their needs met in their own country, and it's not too far of a stretch of the imagination to think that someone might want a friend here and not be deleted as a possiblity because he lives in India...yeah, I can imagine someone lying.  I can even imagine that British education, before going back home.  If after getting to know you, they don't come clean about it and this bad feeling you get of being lied to persists...then go with your instinct.  This is only my own opinion though, and your judgment call to make.

I haven't looked in your profile or journal, so...have you said in either of these that you would welcome talking to people from all over the world?  The word foreigners gets kind of funny if you're ever in a big room with people from over 20 different countries.

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RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? - 5/6/2010 3:04:31 PM   
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Is good grammer a reasonable standard?


I love it!!!

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RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? - 5/6/2010 4:05:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Trust your gut. If someone writes in a way that makes you feel English is not their native language, yet they claim otherwise, you're probably correct. And a couple of emails later you will get a sob story begging for money for a plane ticket.

Getting idioms wrong is key, they may know the right words as taught in an ESL class but that doesn't mean they will be fluent idiomatically.

Now with that said, The Man is an engineer. I proofread his letters. 'Nuff said.




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RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? - 5/6/2010 4:52:21 PM   
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I got sucked in by another friendly email last night, luring me off to chat land, and I found myself wondering if this standard of mine is unreasonably blocking me from perfectly nice guys, instead of just the con artists it is meant to block me from.

Let me be clear, by reasonable grammar, I am specifically talking about rejecting those whose grammar makes me immediately suspect that English is not their first language. I am not talk about too much slang or txtspk. that is a differant issue, causing me to suspect we have differing 'real ages' and just wouldn't be a match. I mean things like using the wrong tense, and other odd turns of language - accedintal reduncices, ect. The guy last night said 'I would like us to talk on here once in a while some each day', for instance (and every other sentence he wrote to me was simularly odd.)

I would welcome a forieghn penpal. If someone said to me 'Is my English Good? I write you from Ghanna, i hope my English is suffiecent', i would think 'Wow, a chance to talk to somone with a tottally differant cultural perspective! How cool!' I am talking about those whose odd speach is a poor fit for thier insistance, even when I ask, that they are American born and raised. Last night's guy told me He was Texas born and bred, but Educated in London.

Am I blowing off some potentailly nice guys with what actually amounts to snobbery? or are my instincts bead on?


Yes.

Good grammar is pertinent.

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RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? - 5/6/2010 4:56:40 PM   
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When someone writes a letter and it's patent they've willfully neglected the most basic punctuation and capitalization rules, that indicates to me they are lazy and uninspired.


Or maybe they just have a learning disability. Not all of us are so quick to judge.

For the record, a man I once dated couldn't spell to save his life. He wasn't all that talented at reading neither. I don't know any man to date that as skilled as he was with anything manual from building a house, fixing a car, slaughtering and butchering the animals he raised on his uncle's farm, anything that required physical talent. And even though never finished high school, he had an engineer's mind.

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RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? - 5/6/2010 5:01:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Uh I'm sure someone might have mentioned this, but in your message your grammar and spelling really ain't all that.....just saying.....you might want to consider that when further analyzing this standard you claim to have. That having been said, I am somewhat of a nazi about the use of the English language as well, although I do recognize we all make mistakes, the "how r u" messages will always get ignored. I can't really bring myself to believe that I have much in common with someone that is too lazy to spell out three letter words, especially in a first message to someone they hope to know.

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RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? - 5/6/2010 9:30:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tsatske
Let me be clear, by reasonable grammar, I am specifically talking about rejecting those whose grammar makes me immediately suspect that English is not their first language. I am not talk about too much slang or txtspk.

Does that mean you're undateable

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RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? - 5/6/2010 10:57:26 PM   
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RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? - 5/6/2010 11:16:49 PM   
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For someone who's so concerned about grammar, your spelling is atrocious. I know not everyone has the "spelling gene" and that dyslexia and other factors must be taken into consideration. But if I see a red underline then I try to correct it. If not, I look up the word. My own anal retention, but there it is.



It's "anal retentiveness."  :)


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