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thishereboi -> RE: agnostic or atheist? (5/11/2010 11:03:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: asiansubmissie quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Riiiight. What's a cubit? Jewish here. What IS a cubit? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubit

tazzygirl -> RE: agnostic or atheist? (5/11/2010 11:03:50 AM)
A cubit is the first recorded unit of length and was one of many different standards of measurement used through history. It was originally based on measuring by comparing to one's forearm length. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubit Wiki can be your friend [:D]

belladevine -> RE: agnostic or atheist? (5/11/2010 12:24:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: catfightservice Ill start off by asking how many others are agnostic or atheist out there? Im guessing in the fetish world there is quite a few. Myself...I think the bible is a great story, but i dont believe it. I mean who seriously believes noah built an ark to hold two of every animal? Come on!!! we couldn't even do that today. Imagine with hand tools? Part the red sea? jonah and the whale? tower of babylon? God created the heaven and earth? what about themillions of other galaxies, who made them? The bible doesnt talk about dinosaurs. Some people put so much faith in the bible, but keep this in mind. When they wrote that book they still thought the earth was flat. How many of their other beliefs can we debunk? I dont mean to offend anyone of any religion. Id just like to get the facts straight. Many people think that and ark is a boat, they also think the ark is a rainbow. In reality the ark is a box that the Eguyptians used to hold a dead corpse and trinkets/ gifts to acompany the dead to the after life. Many people/archaeologists are looking for a boat with lots of animal remnants in it. In reality Noah's ark has already been found but the discovery is not understood (by most).

GotSteel -> RE: agnostic or atheist? (5/11/2010 1:10:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: catfightservice We are all being honest with ourselves You probably think this because you try to be honest with yourself and assume that other people are like you. Spend some time looking around and you'll find that there are plenty of people who are in serious denial or have cobbled together incredible convoluted justifications for their lifestyle choices.

GotSteel -> RE: agnostic or atheist? (5/11/2010 1:19:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirrandpolyfam A quote I once heard is "There is never an atheist in a fox hole." You really shouldn't use obviously false propaganda like this, it damages your credibility. quote: ORIGINAL: sirrandpolyfam "I believe, therefore I see." That's called confirmation bias, it isn't a good thing.

vincentML -> RE: agnostic or atheist? (5/11/2010 1:21:02 PM)
quote: have searched. There is no absolute proof that could possibly link the first amino acids to form on this earth and a mutation by mutation genology to go from those acids to modern human. You ae right of course, eyesopened, there is no absolute proof as you say, but there is a great deal of experimentation on how life may have started on earth (abiogenesis) and may have started many times in fact. It is a threshhold yet to be crossed: understanding the transition from non-life to life, from simple carbon chains to DNA. It is a work in progress. And there is a lot of evidence that illustrates the path of our own evolution and a lot of evidence lost due to ease of decomposition of dead tissue. Again, it is a work in progress. So it is a process of sorting it out, looking at this piece and that, and connecting the dots. And certainly it all may be powered by some unknown Universal energy force that we will discover in a particle accelerator.... the God particle and beyond.

belladevine -> RE: agnostic or atheist? (5/11/2010 1:28:44 PM)
THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE The bible is black and white and read all over. The Bible was not written for those that can read. The Bible was written for those that can see.

bondmaid123 -> RE: agnostic or atheist? (5/11/2010 1:57:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: sirrandpolyfam A quote I once heard is "There is never an atheist in a fox hole." You really shouldn't use obviously false propaganda like this, it damages your credibility. I actually am rather fond of this particular link, everytime somebody pulls this tired (soooooo.... damned..... tired......) quote out: http://www.americanhumanist.org/who_we_are/about_humanism/I_Was_an_Atheist_in_a_Foxhole

pyroaquatic -> RE: agnostic or atheist? (5/11/2010 4:04:27 PM)
It does not matter what title you choose to don. God-or a lack thereof-does not care what your title is. What matters is Love and Death. We love so we can have a replacement for when we die. In with the new and out with the old. Progress not regress.

catfightservice -> RE: agnostic or atheist? (5/11/2010 4:58:51 PM)
I was not specific enough with my comment about us fetishers being honest with ourselves, intelectual, enlightened..... I was refering to those of us who are up front and honest about who we are. Not the fakes, posers, and liars on here, or any other board, forum, im, etc. Maybe we've been lucky. My wife and I have only been exploring this stuff for maybe 2 years. The actual people we've met in person have seemed very cool, intelectual, open minded, and on top of it polite. Maybe I haven't been around long enough. Hopefully our experiences continue to be like that. What I meant by enlightened is those of us who are active in the fetish world, are different from the rest. Not at all in a religous sense, but in our general perspective. Im sure you've all heard people fringe as they say something like "oh they are into bondage.....ew......" or "they are into whips and being tied up... what freaks...". We are differant from those prudes. We as fetishers are understanding of that, even though we may not be into a particular activity, we dont hold it against those who are. At least I dont, and the people we've met dont seem to either. From what I can tell actual members of the fetish community are tolerant of different opinions, and interests. Enlightend by the variety, and pleasure of this life style. This is an opinion based on my own experiences, and I realize I could be wrong. (I hope Im Not)

Aneirin -> RE: agnostic or atheist? (5/11/2010 5:15:18 PM)
What you have just said there, has got nothing to do with religion or belief, and it is my understanding that those who are active in the fetish world are open minded enough to be earthy in their understanding. That is life how it presents itself, in whatever form, if it makes one happy, then a connection to earth and nature is established. We are all natural beings, and therefore a product of nature, if our nature is to explore such things as encompassed by fetish, then we are being firstly true to ourselves, and secondly in line with nature, we are part of nature in our earthy requirements. My very personal belief is what is in my nature fulfills me on a spiritual level, for it makes me understand more of who I am. To put it bluntly, the bits of the human body we tend to be interested in with fetish or rather BDSM are the reproductive organs, except the organs are not being used for the act of reproduction, but to satisfy the urges we feel. Through the sexual organs lies the path to the mind, and there quite possibly the spirit although I believe the spirit takes what it needs form the wholistic situation.

rulemylife -> RE: agnostic or atheist? (5/11/2010 5:31:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened I have searched. There is no absolute proof that could possibly link the first amino acids to form on this earth and a mutation by mutation genology to go from those acids to modern human. There isn't even bone evidence to get to modern human. The "missing link" has never been discovered. I am also certain that evolution took place but there simply is no absolute proof of how modern human evolved. But without faith, conjecture, belief, and a thirst for knowledge, nothing would ever be proven. Gravity existed and was known long long long before Newton "proved" it. Going by your standards Newton did not prove anything. It is why they call it the theory of gravity. So I guess that must be another one of those scientific faiths.

LadyAngelika -> RE: agnostic or atheist? (5/11/2010 5:37:46 PM)
~FR~ I'm a de facto Atheist—very low probability, but short of zero—not militant at all. And as for your assumptions that kinky people are more likely not to believe, I'd tell you there's a whole lot of S&M in Catholicism. [image]http://blog.jonathanhayes.com/wp-content/crucifixion.jpg[/image] - LA

eihwaz -> RE: agnostic or atheist? (5/11/2010 7:07:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened I have searched. There is no absolute proof that could possibly link the first amino acids to form on this earth and a mutation by mutation genology to go from those acids to modern human. There isn't even bone evidence to get to modern human. The "missing link" has never been discovered. I am also certain that evolution took place but there simply is no absolute proof of how modern human evolved. But without faith, conjecture, belief, and a thirst for knowledge, nothing would ever be proven. Gravity existed and was known long long long before Newton "proved" it. Going by your standards Newton did not prove anything. It is why they call it the theory of gravity. So I guess that must be another one of those scientific faiths. First, to the best of my recollection, Newton didn't propound any "theory of gravity." He did identify (quantify) what we refer to today as the Law of Gravity, though. Perhaps you're referring to General Relativity, a theory proposed several centuries after Newton? The nature of gravity was being pondered by ancient Greek philosophers. And there was Galileo's famous experiment (falling bodies are subject to constant acceleration independent of their mass). Second, since much of science investigates phenomena operating at scales of time and space not normally accessible to humans, much of scientific proof must be indirect and inferential. Although evolution has been directly observed in a few instances, the evolutionary history of organisms (including people) has been reconstructed mainly from the fossil and genetic records -- i.e, by historical traces. Since that record is likely incomplete, we will probably never be able to prove the complete history. The emergence of life happened long, long ago. Unless someone invents time travel, there can never be any direct, only indirect, proof of the mechanism by which life came to be. And that is likely to have some uncertainty attached to it. That's the nature of science. Science does have a central tenet of faith: That the cosmos is ordered according to discoverable, universal laws. One more thing: In science, he or she who makes a claim -- such as that the mechanism(s) and historical process by which amino acids ultimately developed into humans are known -- is expected to produce evidence supporting said claim. Not the other way around.

Dubbelganger -> RE: agnostic or atheist? (5/11/2010 7:09:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Riiiight. What's a cubit? Jewish here. How long can you tread water?

Aneirin -> RE: agnostic or atheist? (5/11/2010 7:10:32 PM)
That's what I always saw with catholicism, too much emphasis on suffering and death. I always remember those scary crucifixes from when I was a youngling, it seemed the more grotesque the more terrifyng but at the same time fixating, as if the crucifix appealed to the darkness within us and caused the mind to fixate on the action, suffering until death.At a young age I rebelled against those images of torture and death and history of converting the unbeliever as to me, what sort of religion was this that caused such dire feelings, religion to me was something to be celebrated, not mourned as it seemed with the lot I was born into.

sirrandpolyfam -> RE: agnostic or atheist? (5/11/2010 7:14:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: sirrandpolyfam A quote I once heard is "There is never an atheist in a fox hole." You really shouldn't use obviously false propaganda like this, it damages your credibility. quote: ORIGINAL: sirrandpolyfam "I believe, therefore I see." That's called confirmation bias, it isn't a good thing. That is called Belief system stupidity. SR&MC

LadyAngelika -> RE: agnostic or atheist? (5/11/2010 7:18:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin That's what I always saw with catholicism, too much emphasis on suffering and death. Aneirin, the image I posted is from the Filipino Easter crucifixion ritual. See: Filipinos whipped and nailed to crosses in terrifyingly realistic re-enactment of the Crucifixion - LA

Dubbelganger -> RE: agnostic or atheist? (5/11/2010 7:21:21 PM)
Rulemylife: "I'm sure Tampa has a few libraries but if you don't want to make the trip there is a wonderful thing called the internet. " I'm an Atheist and I accept that Evolution is a fact, but you don't get off that easily. You made the assertion that there is a direct, demonstrable, proveable causility chain from amino acids to Homo Sapiens sapiens. It's up to you to show that your assertion is valid.

Dubbelganger -> RE: agnostic or atheist? (5/11/2010 7:27:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl A cubit is the first recorded unit of length and was one of many different standards of measurement used through history. It was originally based on measuring by comparing to one's forearm length. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubit Wiki can be your friend [:D] Well, keep digging, and you'll find he quoted a line from a Bill Cosby comedy routine, which has already been noted.

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