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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 7:27:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		When I was a kid my mother would drag us to tour mosques in Turkey and Tunisia (child abuse !) - some of them were more lenient than others and wouldn't demand that I wore a headscarf. Whenever I was asked to do so by the imam, though, I would be seriously pissed off - mostly because my little brother would make fun of me , but also because it struck me as fucking unjust that I should cover my head when he didn't have to. I'm not sure what happened in that fourteen year old girl's head, but if it was anything like how I felt, I understand her sentiment. Although in retrospect, I'm very grateful to have visited so many beautiful places, and the scarf thing is just a point of detail :-) .

I have learnt a lot since  .

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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 7:29:36 AM   
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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 7:32:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Kind of - more like between ten and twelve (hence my resentment - I wasn't even nubile lol).

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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 7:45:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		A dog always thinks it's free, until it reaches the end of its leash; this girl simply reached hers.
People dwell under the conceited illusion of freedom; but imagine what would happen to the student who attempts to exercise their "liberty," to refuse to say the "Pledge of Alliegance--" the biggest oxymoron ever written, in the finest Orwellian tradition of "believe what you're told to believe, not what you see."

Schools are state conditioning-centers, plain and simple-- that's why truancy is a crime, rather than a naughtiness.
It BECAME a crime, immediately after the federal government became the judge of its own powers in 1865-- and the Industrial Revolution which funded the oligarchy, decided that it needed a docile workforce. Coincidence?



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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 7:53:49 AM   
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People dwell under the conceited illusion of freedom, but imagine the student who attempts to exercise their "liberty" to refuse to say the "Pledge of Alliegance--"
it is a students right to have their own beliefs. However...it is not their right to demonstrate a blatant disrespect for that which they do not believe in.
If they do not believe in the Pledge of Allegiance then do not say it, but do not disrupt others who are saying it. Along the same vein, if a student does not believe in a religion, that is fine, but do not disrespect those who do or disrespect their place of worship.


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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 7:54:23 AM   
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Freedom not to learn? It's like the recalcitrant freshman composition student who thinks it's all bullshit so why should she...and so must take the course again and again, proving nothing beyond her immaturity.

Hell, I'm an atheist, and yet well-versed on all the world's major religions. It's part of being an aware, educated human in modern society.

In two years, she can quit school and try to work at McDonald's if that's the life path she desires.

And when she does, she can go in with whatever clothes, piercings, wild hair, tattoos, gum, etc. and express her individuality and freedom, while the manager exercises HER freedom to hire somebody better able to understand the world extends beyond one's own ego.




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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 7:58:09 AM   
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Oh good grief.

Freedom not to learn? It's like the recalcitrant freshman composition student who thinks it's all bullshit so why should she...and so must take the course again and again, proving nothing beyond her immaturity.

Hell, I'm an atheist, and yet well-versed on all the world's major religions. It's part of being an aware, educated human in modern society.

In two years, she can quit school and try to work at McDonald's if that's the life path she desires.


hmmm...now that i think about it...McDonalds employees all cover their heads.


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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 8:00:13 AM   
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Facist health department inspectors. They just hate America.

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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 9:28:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sheesh, some "Field Trip!" "Children, tommorrow we're going to a,.....Mosque!"
"What the........!"
When I was a school kid in the early 60's we'd take field trips to Plymouth Plantation, the Concord Bridge, The Museum of Science, Fenway Park, The Museum of Fine Arts (yuck) mostly *fun* places.
And in sixth grade we went to an educational camp for a week in Peterbourough, New Hampshire! Slept in a barracks, had square dances, five mile hikes through the beautiful N.H. woods etc.
Field trips should be educational and *fun.*

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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 9:35:31 AM   
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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 9:46:10 AM   
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A dog always thinks it's free, until it reaches the end of its leash; this girl simply reached hers.
People dwell under the conceited illusion of freedom; but imagine what would happen to the student who attempts to exercise their "liberty," to refuse to say the "Pledge of Alliegance--" the biggest oxymoron ever written, in the finest Orwellian tradition of "believe what you're told to believe, not what you see."

Schools are state conditioning-centers, plain and simple-- that's why truancy is a crime, rather than a naughtiness.
It BECAME a crime, immediately after the federal government became the judge of its own powers in 1865-- and the Industrial Revolution which funded the oligarchy, decided that it needed a docile workforce. Coincidence?




Might try exercising your brain a little more. One of the dumbest things I have ever read out here, which is really saying something...Congratulations!

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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 9:47:29 AM   
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Sheesh, some "Field Trip!" "Children, tommorrow we're going to a,.....Mosque!"
"What the........!"
When I was a school kid in the early 60's we'd take field trips to Plymouth Plantation, the Concord Bridge, The Museum of Science, Fenway Park, The Museum of Fine Arts (yuck) mostly *fun* places.
And in sixth grade we went to an educational camp for a week in Peterbourough, New Hampshire! Slept in a barracks, had square dances, five mile hikes through the beautiful N.H. woods etc.
Field trips should be educational and *fun.*


How sad of an existence you enjoy. A self imposed prison.

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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 10:47:09 AM   
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Now I have not been in a catholic church in nearly fifty years(except to rip some shit up), but as I remember women were required to cover their heads while in church.
This little girl goes to a catholic school and is catholic so covering her head in church is really part of her life. Strikes me as a bit of childish snark. I went to catholic grammar and high school and I am here to tell you the "penguins" have a zero tolerance for childish snark.

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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 11:18:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nope. Not a requirement anymore. The nuns are a softer, kinder version, having been told to temper their attitudes for the sake of enrollment... not to mention many of the teachers are not in a religious order.

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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 11:25:50 AM   
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The nuns are a softer, kinder version ... for the sake of enrollment.


For example--


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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 11:35:00 AM   
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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 12:08:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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The nuns are a softer, kinder version ... for the sake of enrollment.


For example--




Hey! It's Sister Felatia!

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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 1:51:54 PM   
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I can't imagine taking my religion so seriously that dressing to blend in to another culture would actually offend me

Perhaps the oppression of women propagated by said culture had something to do with it. When I went to Italy, I visited a number of churches with a friend and they generally had shawls for her to cover up with by the door. She did, it was the polite thing to do and neither of us really thought anything of it. I think it would have been a different story if women were having acid thrown on them at the Vatican for not covering up.

But maybe I'm way off base and she's one of the if it's not Jesus it's the Devil crowd

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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 1:53:01 PM   
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Covering a female's hair is required under Islam, and should certainly be done inside a mosque during worship.


Not sure about in the mosque but I noticed that the first female Muslim member of the British cabinet wasn't covering her hair in a TV interview this morning. I think there is vast disagreements as to what the strict interpretation is regarding this issue; so therefore how can you allow a minority, any minority, to dictate what the interpretation is?

As for the issue at hand, people should have learnt by now that you can't teach people to be respectful of religions simply by taking them on school trips. This wouldn't be the first attempt at immersing 'those ignorant majority' into a strange religion in order to teach them their misconceptions about it are wrong. This approach doesn't often end well and in this case it will only reaffirm those strange opinions they have that all females are forced to enact Halloween all year round.

I don't demand that people only come to my house if they are wearing teapots on their head, I feel doing so would reduce the number of those that actually wanted to come to my house to understand why people should wear teapots on their heads.

People should not be telling one another what to do unless that advice is based on real world information and not mystical possibilities that could occur beyond the grave. If you wiped out the whole of humanity and replaced it with five people (having no knowledge of the history of what has come before) at least two of them would start to have irrational opinions as to how the others should act or behave; this seems to be human nature.

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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 2:39:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		As a matter of fact, Islam requires that devotees of both genders wear modest attire - again, cultures and societies' mileage vary. There isn't "one" Muslim culture, despite what some people here seem to believe.

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