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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 3:05:15 PM

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I wore a red tie to a funeral once, this was really awkward for me but the dead person didn't care as far as I know.

It's a question as to what counts as being modest attire? We all have opinions and so such definitions need a more specific meaning (some choose to create a meaning for it and apparent bizarreness results).

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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 3:23:30 PM

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One benefit of being agnostic. We never take others differant religous routines personal.

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Roman Catholic schoolgirl labelled 'truant' for refusing to wear headscarf on mosque trip.

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Amy Owen, 14, and several of her friends at Ellesmere Port Catholic High School in Cheshire refused to go on the visit after being told that they had to conform to a Muslim dress code involving covering their heads and wearing long skirts or leggings.

A teacher then telephoned Miss Owen telling her that if her daughter did not go on the trip, organised by the Religious Education department, it would be marked down as an "unauthorised absence" even after she had refused to sign a parental consent form.

Although Miss Davies said the objection was for “religious reasons”, she admitted: I'm not a devout Catholic, I've never claimed to be but my daughter is a white, British Catholic girl - not a Muslim girl, therefore she is not adhering to a Muslim dress code."

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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 3:26:44 PM

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You'd probably take it personally if someone came up with the doctrine that all fence sitters should be put to death.

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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 3:31:03 PM

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I do have hard limits. I dont believe in killing people ever. But thats a moral issue with me, not religous.

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You'd probably take it personally if someone came up with the doctrine that all fence sitters should be put to death.

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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 4:11:20 PM

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The school didn't stop her from attending, she refused to go and the school is counting that as truancy.

And accurately.

Totally agree.

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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 4:20:42 PM

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I can't imagine taking my religion so seriously that dressing to blend in to another culture would actually offend me

Perhaps the oppression of women propagated by said culture had something to do with it. When I went to Italy, I visited a number of churches with a friend and they generally had shawls for her to cover up with by the door. She did, it was the polite thing to do and neither of us really thought anything of it. I think it would have been a different story if women were having acid thrown on them at the Vatican for not covering up.

But maybe I'm way off base and she's one of the if it's not Jesus it's the Devil crowd

Maybe. I don't know the girl, I can't say what she should or shouldn't feel, which is why I responded to the concept and not the situation.

That's an interesting take on it though...being expected to do something that you feel degrades your gender would definitely explain her resistance.

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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/13/2010 9:53:18 PM

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Schools are state conditioning-centers, plain and simple-- that's why truancy is a crime, rather than a naughtiness.
It BECAME a crime, immediately after the federal government became the judge of its own powers in 1865-- and the Industrial Revolution which funded the oligarchy, decided that it needed a docile workforce. Coincidence?

I will say that compulsory education includes a slew of problems, one of which is that our schools end up teaching order and crowd control over academics.

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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/14/2010 12:17:23 AM

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"Ok children, for our field trip we're going to,........a Mosque!"

"Oh Jeeze, our other teacher used to have sex with us!"

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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/14/2010 12:38:53 AM

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Interesting topic! I very recently worked in a UK faith school (although an atheist myself) and the rules are a little different in these schools than in 'standard' state schools.

Firstly, catholic schools are viewed as being better than local state schools. Often the exam results are better, so there is a waiting list to get in to the good ones. To get in, the parent has to jump through a number of hoops, including going to church, getting references from their parish priest, and so on. They also have to sign a home/school agreement in which they agree that their child will be brought up (by the parents) and taught (by the school) in the catholic faith while they're at the school. This is allowed by the UK government, particularly because faith schools are co-funded by the religious organisation in question, often to a large degree.

In addition, in faith schools it is mandatory for students to study Religious Education to GCSE (I've worked in Church of England and Catholic schools). The parents must agree to this. RE these days does not just cover the standard religions. It is intended to equip the child with a broad understanding (and hopefully tolerance/acceptance) of other faiths, as well as helping them to understand wider issues of citizenship.

What this girl's mother did was to renege on that agreement, and refuse her child an important experience which is part of a GCSE qualification. She wants to use the system to get her kid into a better school, but unfortunately once her kid is in the school, she starts back-tracking. I can only assume that in that household, the teenager rules the roost.

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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/14/2010 7:10:20 AM

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RE these days does not just cover the standard religions. It is intended to equip the child with a broad understanding (and hopefully tolerance/acceptance) of other faiths, as well as helping them to understand wider issues of citizenship.

My yarmulke is off to the Catholic Church for this. They've changed a lot since the bad old days.

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RE: Roman Catholic Truants - 5/14/2010 9:24:53 AM

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It's changed a lot since I was at school too, thankfully!

In my last school (catholic school) I volunteered to go with a school party to the local synagogue, where the kids were shown round, had rituals and clothing explained, and a rather lovely rabbi answered all the questions the kids asked (and 14 year olds can ask some tricky questions, lol!)

I was a bit worried that, as an athiest, I might be struck down by lightning as I entered the synagogue, but I guess I was given a free pass that day