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LadyEllen -> RE: The natural power that women have over men... (5/17/2010 5:40:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika But as LadyE states, with maturity, and I'd say with emotional intelligence as well, a man becomes more conscious of this and less a little puppy in heat that humps women's legs. - LA From your picture I can see how this might be a problem and why you might carry that cane. E

LadyOddsworth -> RE: The natural power that women have over men... (5/17/2010 9:44:52 PM)
Geeze, some of the stuff on this thread is registering defcon 1 on the pompous meter.

LadyAngelika -> RE: The natural power that women have over men... (5/18/2010 3:48:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyOddsworth Geeze, some of the stuff on this thread is registering defcon 1 on the pompous meter. How so? - LA

CarrieO -> RE: The natural power that women have over men... (5/18/2010 7:57:48 AM)
~fast reply ~ This song came to mind after reading through the posts on this thread... "Soul Suckers" ~By Amos Lee~ "Did you believe it, when they told you they discovered you? And that everything is free, as long as you do what they tell you to. You think it's true? But nothing could be farther from the truth, my love. Did you even listen, When they told you to change your name? And that nobody wants honesty when looking at a perfect frame play the game. Nothing could be further from the truth, my love.. And nothing is more powerful that beauty in a wicked world. Play it girl, Does it make you feel good, when they tell you what you want to hear? And after they suck all your soul, well that's when they'll disappear. Disappear. They disappear forever.. Like a prince in your little fairy tale. And you will find, one day you put you soul on sale.. Nothing could be further from the truth, my love.. And nothing is more powerful than beauty in a wicked world." It leaves me shaking my head to think the "natural power that women have over men" really is based on an outer shell for some men. If this power the OP says women have is innate or natural, would it only be available to those who posses beauty according to society's standards or is it something all women have, regardless of appearance? I always thought power came from within.

MarcEsadrian -> RE: The natural power that women have over men... (5/18/2010 9:23:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CarrieO If this power the OP says women have is innate or natural, would it only be available to those who posses beauty according to society's standards or is it something all women have, regardless of appearance? I always thought power came from within. On some level, I believe society does have a role to play in defining beauty, though it does not outright dictate it. It's my understanding that we have an innate appreciation for physical symmetry and proportion. I recall a study concluding that babies stare longer at attractive faces, and even had innate musical taste. Nancy Etcoff I'm told speaks about this at length in Her book Survival of the Prettiest. That said, your ending point is something to consider, and reminds me of Peon's earlier warning about the "Goddess" complex; power and seduction takes brains. Beauty without a doubt lends tremendous advantage to those who possess it, but it is a finite advantage if its possessor has a room-temperature IQ. At this juncture, we really need to discuss what's on the inside of the successful femme fatale as well—though I suspect that may be an even more contentious subject matter.

LillyoftheVally -> RE: The natural power that women have over men... (5/18/2010 9:56:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian On some level, I believe society does have a role to play in defining beauty, though it does not outright dictate it. It's my understanding that we have an innate appreciation for physical symmetry and proportion. I recall a study concluding that babies stare longer at attractive faces, and even had innate musical taste. Nancy Etcoff I'm told speaks about this at length in Her book Survival of the Prettiest. I think that there is something inbuilt about our idea of beauty but I think the nuance is socially constructed, what size you should be changes across cultures, what colour hair or skin is attractive that kind of thing is something that not only changes across societies but also across time.

CarrieO -> RE: The natural power that women have over men... (5/18/2010 10:56:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian quote: ORIGINAL: CarrieO If this power the OP says women have is innate or natural, would it only be available to those who posses beauty according to society's standards or is it something all women have, regardless of appearance? I always thought power came from within. On some level, I believe society does have a role to play in defining beauty, though it does not outright dictate it. It's my understanding that we have an innate appreciation for physical symmetry and proportion. I recall a study concluding that babies stare longer at attractive faces, and even had innate musical taste. Nancy Etcoff I'm told speaks about this at length in Her book Survival of the Prettiest. A very good book, actually. It was your post HERE and Peon's post about 'plastic pretty' that caught my interest in regards to society and the image of beauty. That said, your ending point is something to consider, and reminds me of Peon's earlier warning about the "Goddess" complex; power and seduction takes brains. Beauty without a doubt lends tremendous advantage to those who possess it, but it is a finite advantage if its possessor has a room-temperature IQ. At this juncture, we really need to discuss what's on the inside of the successful femme fatale as well—though I suspect that may be an even more contentious subject matter. You're right...beauty only gets a girl so far in life. Which is where I was going when I posted THIS thread on feminine wiles and dominance. Beauty, brains, charm...some innate and some learned behavior...I don't have a blanket answer for what makes a successful femme fatale. I also don't believe there is only one answer. I agree, though, it would be great to discuss what is 'natural power' for a woman and who defines it.

insearch0f -> RE: The natural power that women have over men... (5/18/2010 12:40:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika quote: ORIGINAL: LadyOddsworth Geeze, some of the stuff on this thread is registering defcon 1 on the pompous meter. How so? - LA LA, why drum more drama? Why so much unnecessary drama? Lady Ellen this is for you: you say men give women the power that makes them weak well I'm here to say never would a dude in his youth ever consciously choose to go thru all that physical frustation over not being able to sleep with a woman. Don't you remember how tortureous and frustating it was to sit alone on weekends and only dream of being able to find a girlfriend, he'll if I could of turned that drive off that made me long for a warm soft woman I would of. It consumed me so bad it hurt.

domiguy -> RE: The natural power that women have over men... (5/18/2010 12:43:42 PM)
For the most part, the majority of the women "out here" have only the power that the men have allowed them to wield.

LadyAngelika -> RE: The natural power that women have over men... (5/18/2010 12:52:36 PM)
Nevermind. Not worth it. - LA

domiguy -> RE: The natural power that women have over men... (5/18/2010 12:57:15 PM)
"Out here" is the pivotal point. Same goes for the guys.

MarcEsadrian -> RE: The natural power that women have over men... (5/18/2010 4:58:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CarrieO You're right...beauty only gets a girl so far in life. Which is where I was going when I posted THIS thread on feminine wiles and dominance. An interesting thread!

MarcEsadrian -> RE: The natural power that women have over men... (5/18/2010 5:58:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy For the most part, the majority of the women "out here" have only the power that the men have allowed them to wield. In some ways, yes—but there is a fine line between choice and natural compulsion.

slavekal -> RE: The natural power that women have over men... (5/18/2010 6:08:28 PM)
Physical beauty alone is not everything. It sure does help, though. However, a semi attractive woman who knows how to use her natural gifts will trump a drop dead gorgeous Playmate of the Year who is clueless. There are many older, not really beautiful dommes who could enslave me in a heartbeat because they have the skill and the will. To deny that women have power over men based on our desire for them is PC nonsense. All it takes is a casual look around to see that male models make far less money than female models. There is no male equivalent to Pam Anderson or Kim Kardashian...famous just for being hot. There is one strip club with male dancers for about a thousand with female ones. Men pay for most dates. Songs are written for female beauty. The Taj friggin' Mahal was built because of a man's love for a woman. Men are admired for strength and abilities, not beauty so much.

CarrieO -> RE: The natural power that women have over men... (5/18/2010 6:53:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian quote: ORIGINAL: CarrieO You're right...beauty only gets a girl so far in life. Which is where I was going when I posted THIS thread on feminine wiles and dominance. An interesting thread! Thank you, I had hoped it would be at least a halfway decent bone to gnaw on...food for thought. I would have liked to hear from a few more men, regardless of label choice.

PeonForHer -> RE: The natural power that women have over men... (5/18/2010 6:58:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slavekal To deny that women have power over men based on our desire for them is PC nonsense. All it takes is a casual look around to see that male models make far less money than female models. There is no male equivalent to Pam Anderson or Kim Kardashian...famous just for being hot. Kal, I just don't think it helps to talk about the power of women over men - implying that we're talking of the female sex as a whole - then cite women who are world-famous for their looks. That kind of theme seems to be a constant in threads on this subject.

slavekal -> RE: The natural power that women have over men... (5/18/2010 8:06:59 PM)
What is wrong with talking in general terms, then illustrating with specific examples?

Loki45 -> RE: The natural power that women have over men... (5/18/2010 8:07:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy For the most part, the majority of the women "out here" have only the power that the men have allowed them to wield. ^This. Once a man realizes that those types of women are just playing games with him......and he starts playing his own game....things get much more entertaining. That's why I always suggest a guy listen to Leykis 101 on the radio. That man speaks the truth, and totally turns the table on women who like to play games with guys.

LadyAngelika -> RE: The natural power that women have over men... (5/18/2010 8:35:42 PM)
Loki, now why would you assume that because a woman has power over a man that she is playing games with him? I've had power over many men and some of them I adored a great deal. - LA

Loki45 -> RE: The natural power that women have over men... (5/18/2010 8:37:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika Loki, now why would you assume that because a woman has power over a man that she is playing games with him? I've had power over many men and some of them I adored a great deal. Did you miss the part of my post that read "those types?" That in itself should indicate that I am not saying "all women," only the types brought about by the OP.

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