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RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law - 5/14/2010 10:36:47 AM   
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This is all about politics... the democrats are shopping for votes because they know what is coming...they are throwing Arizona to the wolves since it is a red state, and they are ginning up support from the Latino community by being lax on illeagal immigration. Now Arizona has stepped up to save their state by being overrun by illeagals and drug crime, and this lame ass socialist bunch is attacking them on race lines.... The nation sees thru this shit and this will NOT save Obama's ass.... he is going to be de-balled in November and thrown out of office in 2012.... deficits and unemployment will seal his fate, and no playing with the latino community is going to save his ass.... He will go down with the numbnuts Carter as the worst ever..... god what a waste of time and effort....wish we were like the Brits and could vote this asshole out with a no confidence vote tommorrow....he would be on the street if we could....


You know I agree with you to some extent, it is all political. It was Bush who courted the Latino vote, and then the Tea Party racists have completely undone all that work! I find it rather entertaining that you posit that democrats are the ones doing all the selling out to Latino voting interests.... wasn't it the RNC who skipped Phoenix as a venue for their convention?....hmmmmmm

You know, any true patriot would not be supporting laws that abridge the constitution, why not enforce existing laws? Why not jail people who hire illegals while we are at it?


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RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law - 5/14/2010 10:40:13 AM   
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RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law - 5/14/2010 11:03:59 AM   
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Why not jail people who hire illegals while we are at it?


Here is the solution. Unfortunately the solution is one which neither political party ever wants debated.

A $10,000 fine plus the cost of transporting each illegal worker found 'first class' back to their county of origin for the first offense; $25k plus 6 months in jail for the corporate officers or individual who hired the illegal worker for the 2nd offense and ratchet it up from there, ultimately having corporations surrender their charter for ongoing and flagrant abuse.

Except for the PAC special interest groups paying off the legislators to keep the status quo as long as possible. The attention should not be on the exploited workers - it should be on the employers exploiting them.

The lack of focus on the employer side of the issue in the Arizona law points to an obvious political agenda versus a true effort to eliminate the problem. The US wouldn't need a border fence to keep out illegal workers if employers feared the consequences of exploiting people who are desperate for an opportunity to better themselves coming from countries incapable of providing opportunities for their citizens.

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RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law - 5/14/2010 11:09:19 AM   
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Why not jail people who hire illegals while we are at it?


Why not jail anyone who buys goods and produce from firms who employ illegals ?

Wait, that wouldnt work would it.

I am sure the many Forum stalwarts against illegal workers already boycott cheaper goods, out of a sense of duty.

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RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law - 5/14/2010 11:12:26 AM   
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RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law - 5/14/2010 11:17:35 AM   
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Broad Approval For New Arizona Immigration Law

Democrats Divided, But Support key Provisions

http://people-press.org/report/613/arizona-immigration-law


Here's a link to the latest WSJ / NBC poll regarding the Arizona law:

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-enlargePic07.html?project=imageShell07&bigImage=NBCWSJPOLL-WSJ-100513.gif&h=870&w=959&title=WSJ.COM&thePubDate=20080826




Howie Carr in Boston did a poll two weeks ago on this; "Favor-93% not in favor 7%"

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RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law - 5/14/2010 11:19:09 AM   
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Why not jail people who hire illegals while we are at it?


Why not jail anyone who buys goods and produce from firms who employ illegals ?

Wait, that wouldnt work would it.

I am sure the many Forum stalwarts against illegal workers already boycott cheaper goods, out of a sense of duty.


I could go without fresh fruit and veggies.....

I am not actually against people who come here illegally. I am against exploiting them. Many of the people who buy cheaper goods as a result of illegals are not economically advantaged to afford having a conscious buying awareness


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RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law - 5/14/2010 11:25:04 AM   
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looks to me like people jumping off bridges and running around like chickens with their heads cut off.  If you feel strongly about illegal aliens, write and call your legislators, your enforcement agencies, the cops the mayors the governors the IRS.

Enforce the fucking law.  So, you make another law to ignore...feel better?  you might feel better but look stupider.

Me, I could care less in the scheme of things about illegals, like I say, it aint you choppin cabbage or picking turkeys.


This.


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RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law - 5/14/2010 11:31:01 AM   
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Why not jail anyone who buys goods and produce from firms who employ illegals ?


Sure - except it wouldn't be necessary if the businesses and individuals were prosecuted in the first place. After the first illegal worker employer 'round-up', prosecution, and conviction with stiff consequence, I doubt there would be a need for a second. Especially if one of the penalties was the removal of all product from the store shelves for free distribution to the 'poor'.

It's great to see general agreement - enforcement and prosecution across the board!

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RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law - 5/14/2010 11:36:40 AM   
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Why not jail anyone who buys goods and produce from firms who employ illegals ?


Sure - except it wouldn't be necessary if the businesses and individuals were prosecuted in the first place. After the first illegal worker employer 'round-up', prosecution, and conviction with stiff consequence, I doubt there would be a need for a second. Especially if one of the penalties was the removal of all product from the store shelves for free distribution to the 'poor'.

It's great to see general agreement - enforcement and prosecution across the board!


I very much agree, companies should not profit because of hiring people that are getting slave wages... and in fact sometimes these outfits don't pay wages at all, they stiff illegals for the pay they owe them


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RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law - 5/14/2010 11:41:33 AM   
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Broad Approval For New Arizona Immigration Law

Democrats Divided, But Support key Provisions

http://people-press.org/report/613/arizona-immigration-law


Here's a link to the latest WSJ / NBC poll regarding the Arizona law:

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-enlargePic07.html?project=imageShell07&bigImage=NBCWSJPOLL-WSJ-100513.gif&h=870&w=959&title=WSJ.COM&thePubDate=20080826




Howie Carr in Boston did a poll two weeks ago on this; "Favor-93% not in favor 7%"


You have to tell me. I am supposing the station that has Howie Carr on is the only one you can recieve at your house?

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RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law - 5/14/2010 11:43:52 AM   
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Sure - except it wouldn't be necessary if the businesses and individuals were prosecuted in the first place. After the first illegal worker employer 'round-up', prosecution, and conviction with stiff consequence, I doubt there would be a need for a second. Especially if one of the penalties was the removal of all product from the store shelves for free distribution to the 'poor'.

It's great to see general agreement - enforcement and prosecution across the board!


Merc, a clear case of let the market decide.  (notice I did not say 'free market' cuz  there aint one.)  Merc, you know what I do, and if I stray the least little bit from the letter of the law, I am a plain goner as a small businessman, let it also be the same law of the Megalocorporacies.

LOL.

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RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law - 5/14/2010 11:54:42 AM   
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I think that the residents of Arizona hope that 100,000 or so illegal immigrants join in your boycott.


Yeah, they may think twice when they have to do their own yard work, watch their own children, and move their own furniture

They are also losing legitimate visits from Mexicans, as Mexico is telling their people to stay out of AZ. I hope this law ruins AZ economically



This reminds me of a movie I saw called "A day without a Mexican". Showing what life would be like in California if all Mexicans suddenly vanished. As far as polls are concerned, people tend to vote against human rights that don't apply to themselves. My parents were a mixed  couple. (African American and German American) Many states wouldn't allow them to marry because most Americans polled were against intergrated marriages so it was illegal. I personally believe that Mexicans have more of a right to be in Arizona then Jan Brewers does. Her ancestors aren't natural born Americans. But really, if "polled" I would say that we all have the right to live and breath without anyone suspecting us because of nationality.

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RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law - 5/14/2010 11:58:42 AM   
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looks to me like people jumping off bridges and running around like chickens with their heads cut off.  If you feel strongly about illegal aliens, write and call your legislators, your enforcement agencies, the cops the mayors the governors the IRS.

Enforce the fucking law.  So, you make another law to ignore...feel better?  you might feel better but look stupider.

Me, I could care less in the scheme of things about illegals, like I say, it aint you choppin cabbage or picking turkeys.


This.



My condo association just booted a lawncare company who was using illegals at the end of April. We simply told them we wouldn't be renewing the contract because of "legal" issues. They got the point.
Now we have another co. who uses local labor which is *not* hard to get because of the 14-17% unemployment rate in this area.
I'm on the board and told the co. owner that we don't care if he uses people in" work release" as long as he doesn't use illegals and he said fine.
U.S. Citizens getting out of prison need a chance to make a paycheck too.
And they're real strict in the state of S. Carolina, there was a probation officer here checking on one or two of them to make sure they were in fact working.

I agree, "enforce the laws" and we won't have this problem.
A fish rots from the head down.

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RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law - 5/14/2010 12:03:05 PM   
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I'm on the board and told the co. owner that we don't care if he uses people in" work release" as long as he doesn't use illegals and he said fine.
U.S. Citizens getting out of prison need a chance to make a paycheck too.


So lets get this straight, you would rather have criminals getting out of prison (perhaps for burglary)  casing your place, um er, I mean doing yardwork around your house, than illegals trying to feed their families...

Not my ideal choice, but go you on giving criminals another chance.... even if it may mean they know all the stuff you have laying around that they can tell their buddies about


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RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law - 5/14/2010 12:05:51 PM   
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Ja, who gives a fuck, just cuz 60-90% of people jump off bridges does that mean you should too?

ENFORCE THE LAW.  WE ARE ALREADY PAYING TO ENFORCE IT.  Write your legislators.  get mad. 



That's precisely what the Governor of Arizona has been begging the Federal government to do for the better part of TWO YEARS now, to no avail, and that's precisely why Arizona just enacted its' own law which it intends to enforce.

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RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law - 5/14/2010 12:07:38 PM   
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RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law - 5/14/2010 12:09:35 PM   
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Does that mean you would refuse to show a police office your drivers license for a traffic stop ?



No but I might if I was just walking down the street. It would depend on My mood


If the only thing you had been and were doing was just walking down the street then Arizona's new law prevents the police from asking you for ID.

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RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law - 5/14/2010 12:09:44 PM   
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Ja, who gives a fuck, just cuz 60-90% of people jump off bridges does that mean you should too?

ENFORCE THE LAW.  WE ARE ALREADY PAYING TO ENFORCE IT.  Write your legislators.  get mad. 



That's precisely what the Governor of Arizona has been begging the Federal government to do for the better part of TWO YEARS now, to no avail, and that's precisely why Arizona just enacted its' own law which it intends to enforce.


Seems to me, he should have sued Bush and co.

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RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law - 5/14/2010 12:12:09 PM   
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one fuck up and AZ is deeper in the financial shit house. I got a feeling Hispanic Americans are going to end up owning the state.


I've been there..............they can have it. Let's give em a package deal and toss in Texas too!


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