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reynardfox -> RE: A question for heterosexual men (5/15/2010 5:35:30 PM)

How shallow would a man need to be to only see a woman in terms of a sexual partner? What a bleak, unrelentingly sad experience of life they must be having.
I have several women friends where sex has never been on the agenda, one of whom is both gorgeous and a keen submissive who would be on my menu if we were not friends. A woman brings more to any relationship than her genitals, if that was all I saw I would hang up my cock and die.
My Lady friends are mostly Dommes and we share a lot of intimate stuff and  I value their perspective, but am I good friends with several submissive girls, who are also close to me. I wouldn't dream of hitting on them unless I was drunk, when drunk, it has to be said, I have been known to chase the impossible and risk my life offering to cure my half dozen or so lesbian friends, who take this in good part and laugh it off.
I have a few vanilla women friends, and they don't register to me at all on that front.
I don't socialise with them much as my repuation means that nervous husbands are never far away.




seekingOwnertoo -> RE: A question for heterosexual men (5/15/2010 5:49:40 PM)

I personally think, the men You were talking with ... lack a lot of depth into themselves.

Myself, I can be one of the most predatory men around ... if the opportunity presents itself ... and I am in the mood.

That is the instinct in men, I think they were referring to.

But I know for a fact, I have many Female Friends, too. They and, if they have a significant other, will vouch for that.

I personally appreciate and value ... intelligence, wit, insight and companionship ... far more than sex.

And I like to be around people I like and admire, more than ... sex.

So I will say ... You are not an exception. There are others like you, who enjoy similar experiences.

Then again, were these men married, or in relationships long term? Men who are, tend to think more like Your networking acquaintances.

Single men and women, who are more long term in singleness ... do form friendships ... sometimes ones ... that transcend relationships with others.







DaddysInkedSlut -> RE: A question for heterosexual men (5/15/2010 5:54:18 PM)

Most of my friends are men. I openly admit I am attracted to them all on some level or another and vice versa. That doesn't mean I would have wild monkey sex with them or even boring nilla sex but the tension is there and we all know it. However, it only adds to the fun dynamics of our friendships.




seekingOwnertoo -> RE: A question for heterosexual men (5/15/2010 6:23:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: reynardfox

one of whom is both gorgeous and a keen submissive who would be on my menu if we were not friends


I share your insight. I live in condo's on a lake, and have beautiful single female neighbors. The type men fawn over.

Sometimes I see them at a pub, or some other public place, and they fawn over me.

The ego shot that gives me ... as all the other men are staring ... is priceless!

Yet in reality, although i will have a beer on the porch ... and talk with them for hours ... I have no sexual desire. And I am strictly Hetrosexual.

But i DO get a HUGE Rush ... of oneupmanship ... when they say hello ... in a public place. And other men have their tongue hanging out! LOL





DCWoody -> RE: A question for heterosexual men (5/15/2010 6:43:32 PM)

Probably it's just for some guys, not all....but if so I'm one of them. If I like a female, this involves wanting to shag them.....possibly/probably being perfectly happy not to of course, but....it's not that I only see women for sex, it's that.....if I like a girl....why wouldn't I want to? Is she horribly deformed? awful hygeine?


That doesn't mean I'm only friends with girls because I'm trying to get them onto bed, just that.....a female I like = = a female I'd like to do.
Maybe I'm just a slut :)




seekingOwnertoo -> RE: A question for heterosexual men (5/15/2010 7:13:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DCWoody

if I like a girl....why wouldn't I want to?


Because, if you reduce the desire for sex, outside a deep loving relationship ... to its bare essence ... you would realize ... it is nothing more than the desire for recognition ... in its roots.

And I am saying, I get my desire for recognition satisfied... when a lovely Lady gives me a big hug ... ignores everyone else ... and sits next to me in a public place.

The rush of oneupmanship ... to me ... is the same rush i feel from sex.

Unless it is a real, loving, caring relationship. Then I would say something entirely different.

But I think the OP is asking about friends ... so I am explaining my response to the OP, and your question.




Level -> RE: A question for heterosexual men (5/15/2010 7:17:14 PM)

No, the desire for sex, is the desire to cum, more often than not. It can also be intertwined with the desire for closeness, but sometimes sex is just sex.




Aileen1968 -> RE: A question for heterosexual men (5/15/2010 7:23:03 PM)

All heterosexual men want to fuck a woman they view as attractive. If she has a good personality to match her looks than she may get dinner too...

If her personality sucks, then they just want to fuck her and not have to have conversations or any relationship with her.




seekingOwnertoo -> RE: A question for heterosexual men (5/15/2010 7:25:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Level

the desire to cum, more often than not


And that is NOT the desire for recognition?

That a person of the opposite sex wants me?

Guess it is all how you read it.




Rastimmipitwax -> RE: A question for heterosexual men (5/15/2010 8:10:56 PM)

Unless these particular people are just individuals who have a more highly developed business maturity than emotional maturity, which is altogether quite common, they are simply inexperienced with having nonsexual relationships with women. This is their emotional problem, not a defining characteristic of heterosexual men in general.

I can say without even hedging slightly that there are many kinds of close relationships I have had with women:

* women I like as people but am not the slightest bit attracted to physically
  This does not necessarily mean ugly, there are just certain things that I don't go for. Like, for example, way taller than me, which is not too hard as I am fairly short as men go.

* women I consider attractive and interesting but who posses certain non-physical ... attributes ... that make them uninteresting in a sexual way to me, including lesbians (what's the point?), Dommes & the like (sorry, not in the least bit submissive here), switches (again, not submissive, and not willing to share either, 1:1 only for me), those why are or try to be overly masculine for whatever reason, and so on.
  I have plenty of friends who fall into this category, maybe your acquaintances just want to fuck anything with two legs and no dick?

* woman who are "taken", whom I would not consider in any sexual way unless for some reason they became no longer taken, and I would not contribute to such a state. Even when I have been sought out for advice regarding the relationship, I always tend towards the "try to make it work" kind of advice unless there is serious mistreatment of some sort going on, or an obvious, glaring incompatibility. Even if I were to find myself in a situation where I had advised a woman to get out of a relationship, I would feel wrong about pursuing something with her for quite some time afterwards, or allowing her to pursue same with me. I just can't feel a sexual attraction in that sort of situation.

* women I genuinely find attractive sexually, to one degree or another. Few of whom generally reciprocate, although I have had my share of relationships over the years. To be honest I think I have done better than a lot, considering how much I watch the musical beds game of life and see so much that I want no part of.

All in all, I would have to say that of my close female friends, less than 5% of them are people I have any inclination to sexual activity with, and I spend quite a lot more time with women than men outside the workplace where I don't choose the people I associate with.

One question: Do your associates really have any sort of close, intellectual relationships with women, even you? Do you have intense conversations with them on philosophical subjects, or do they always turn the dialogue towards relationships and related topics? Perhaps the issue is not whether "heterosexual males" can't have relationships with women they aren't attracted to, but whether "heterosexual male sexaholics with something to prove" can't have relationships with women they aren't attracted to. Or to step a little over the line, do they all have expensive cars, large boats, larger houses, and conversely small penises and ED?





seekingOwnertoo -> RE: A question for heterosexual men (5/15/2010 8:54:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rastimmipitwax

more highly developed business maturity than emotional maturity, which is altogether quite common


My thoughts too, and well put.

Great post in its entirety, i might add ... very impressive.

That said, in general, to the rest of this thread ...

i only want to add one last thing to my prior posts ... I do care about my friends ... regardless of sex, or the ego boost they give me at times. And that .. is that.




mikeyOfGeorgia -> RE: A question for heterosexual men (5/15/2010 8:58:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Alright, het men, I'm looking for your perspectives.

A week ago, I was sitting with a bunch of men I know in a "business social" or networking context and later in the evening, the conversation changed to relationships. They all went on about how no heterosexual man will be friends with a woman he doesn't want to bed or more.

Of course, I interjected mentioning that one of my best friends is a heterosexual man and another really good friend of mine who I share a lot with is a straight man as well. They all laughed and told me I was blind. They assured me that if those guys weren't into me, my situation would be an extremely rare situation.

Are these guys bang on? Or am I the exception (I guess twice)? Or is this all macho nonsense and a man can have a meaningful with a woman he has no desire to be with? Be honest with yourselves and me, please.

- LA



as a straight male, i do not associate with other men at all (if i can avoid it) and i'm not out to go to bed with every woman i run across or become friends with. contrary to popular belief men and women can be friends without having sex (much less thinking about it).




KatyLied -> RE: A question for heterosexual men (5/15/2010 8:59:54 PM)

here we go




Jeffff -> RE: A question for heterosexual men (5/15/2010 9:57:29 PM)

He wants Me, I can feel the tension.


To the OP. I have one or two women friends, I wanted to bang them both at first. For various reasons, that didn't happen and they are now friends.





laurell3 -> RE: A question for heterosexual men (5/15/2010 10:04:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mikeyOfGeorgia


as a straight male, i do not associate with other men at all (if i can avoid it) and i'm not out to go to bed with every woman i run across or become friends with. contrary to popular belief men and women can be friends without having sex (much less thinking about it).



Seriously you never hang out with men and you think that's common for straight men? It ain't at all.

Honestly I have to say LA that the majority of my male friends have admitted that every single woman they encounter they do have that moment where they look at her and say could I? would I?...which doesn't mean they act on it, or can't be friends without sex...but think it? yes, I believe THAT actually is common.




Jeffff -> RE: A question for heterosexual men (5/15/2010 10:05:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

All heterosexual men want to fuck a woman they view as attractive. If she has a good personality to match her looks than she may get dinner too...

If her personality sucks, then they just want to fuck her and not have to have conversations or any relationship with her.



then


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sunshinemiss -> RE: A question for heterosexual men (5/15/2010 10:21:16 PM)

I thought LaT had turned Jeff into a lesbian.
Or domi turned him into a lovely gay man (how's the ironing?)

Either way, Jeff, you're queer. Go talk to Lance and Bear and BK.




blacksword404 -> RE: A question for heterosexual men (5/15/2010 11:34:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

 They all went on about how no heterosexual man will be friends with a woman he doesn't want to bed or more. (This is true a lot of the time. But not always. Depends a lot on if he was friendly with her because he was sleeping with her.   Friendly+ sex equals relationship, friendly - sex= friends. Men and women can be friends as long as neither wants to fuck the other. ) 

Of course, I interjected mentioning that one of my best friends is a heterosexual man and another really good friend of mine who I share a lot with is a straight man as well. They all laughed and told me I was blind. They assured me that if those guys weren't into me, my situation would be an extremely rare situation. (Some guys might be patient enough to take the friends to boyfriend route. But it is dangerous to go that route. Too far down the friend path and you can't come back. So yeah it's possible one of them is your friend because he is biding his time. One day you will break-up with your man. And he will be your shoulder to cry on. You're feeling vulnerable and then bam. )

Are these guys bang on? Or am I the exception (I guess twice)? Or is this all macho nonsense and a man can have a meaningful with a woman he has no desire to be with? Be honest with yourselves and me, please. ( Think of it this way. Men and women tend to do things differently. And since we usually have other men as friends because we like a lot of the same things and we can be our disgusting selves around each other. You throw a woman in there and you might throw things off. A woman comes to a group of men and first thing we are thinking is which one of us is going to sleep with her. It's the opposite for a group of woman with a man trying to join them. They are trying hard to make sure he doesn't sleep with any of them.)

- LA





LadyAngelika -> RE: A question for heterosexual men (5/16/2010 3:24:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Ok, the huge misconception about this whole thread is that this is really about more than just sex or fucking.

The issue is much deeper than this in my mind.

- LA





Ah. This is where the inherent differences between women and men come into play. Men don't much analyze our hard-ons. It really doesn't go much deeper than whether we want to make love to you, or get topped by you, or strap you down for a mix of clamps, hot wax, and a six-pack of orgasms. It's sexual tension, not relationship tension.

Down deep, we are still pretty shallow. [;)]


See? This is why I wanted a heterosexual man's perspective! Thank you!

- LA




LadyAngelika -> RE: A question for heterosexual men (5/16/2010 3:31:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: OrpheusAgonistes

Romantic and sexual impulses regarding close friends strike me as natural.  At the same time, I'm aware that the impulses and urges are transitory, sometimes even only momentary.  I'd never come on to any of the women I'm friends with now, and if any of them ever came on to me I'd probably just get confused and start laughing.  So I'd say that it's entirely possible not to be into a woman you're friends with in any way that matters, but it's also very likely that a man has had sexual thoughts about most of the women with whom he's friends.  Contrary to what John Hughes movies led me to believe growing up, it's entirely feasible to have a female best friend and not sit around pining for her and secretly wanting to take her to prom.


Yeah I don't think my guy friends suffer from the Duckie syndrome.

I know that with one, I had one moment after an evening of intense discussion and some wine thought hmmmm... but that was fleeting. And like you said, the urges are transitory and I then classified him as a friend, not a lover. It is funny, I was out with a group which included both these guys last night and I was in total analytical mode.


quote:

In the social dynamic you describe, sitting around talking with a bunch of guys, incidentally, I'm also not sure what kind of answer I'd give.  Keep in mind that when you have a bunch of guys sitting around with one woman, all the guys are likely to be posturing and posing to some degree.  If I were close to the woman, I think I'd give more or less a straight answer.  But if she were just a friendly acquaintance, or a relative stranger, then how straight would I play it?  There is much more incentive to be one of the guys giving the party line about how he'd never be friends with a woman he didn't want to sleep with than there is to give a more honest and nuanced answer.

If you pull guys aside and ask them individually, you're likely to get one kind of answer.  In groups of two you'll probably get a slightly different kind of answer.  In groups of three or more, you're going to be waist deep in bravado and machismo. 


That's quite true, which is why I figured the anonymity of a forum like Collarme might be an interesting place to gather results.

For the record, there were 2 other women with us but they didn't seem to say much. They were also married.

- LA




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