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Aneirin -> RE: Birth Control for Men. Yes? No? (5/17/2010 4:24:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

[8|] thepillkills.org isn't exactly a reliable source of information.

Taking "the pill" won't increase a woman's risk of death -- in fact, oral contraceptive users may live longer, researchers say. In a population-based study of women in the U.K., death from any cause was 12 percent lower among birth control pill users than among those who never took the drugs, Dr. Philip Hannaford of the University of Aberdeen in Scotland and colleagues reported online in BMJ.http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/birth-control-pills-reduce-cancer-death/story?id=10084482

It would be easier to take you seriously about the water contamination point you actually have if you weren't citing a crackpot site and ranting about "natural order" as though anything in your life is natural. Could you even survive a weekend if you were stranded in your natural environment?



Survive a weekend in the natural enviroment,  with camping stuff or without equipment, yes, I could, for I have done longer than that without camping gear. Fire can be made without modern ignition sources, water can be obtained even in the desert away from obvious water holes, knives and other tools, they can be made, and metal although it may be desireable, it is not needed, for baked bone makes a good flesh cutting implement, as does sharp rocks or rocks made sharp by work. Surviving in the natural enviroment is hard, very hard, even harder on one's own, but the difficulty might be a good indication of just how far we are removed from nature, how far we have come. The gods we pray to, let them help us if we ever find our civilisation reverts back to the start, for there are very few who even believe in that possibility. Take electricity and fuel oil  for example, remove only those and what have we got; no transport, no modern aids the things we take for granted, in time no tinned food or supermarket shelves, all we will have, is an enviroment we have poisoned, if surviving in the raw of nature was not hard enough already.

Natural order ? To me, that is the way nature intended, what we would revert back to deprived of our modern fragile dependence on things that without heavy powered machinery, we could not obtain. Nature then decides, and that is when those that live with nature understand what the enemy really is, until we learn to synchronise with it and live by it's orders.

So, maybe you do not believe oestrogen from the female contraceptive pill is getting back into the enviroment, into the water supply, which life drinks from, the website might not be the best, but there are other sources out there to comment, perhaps before condeming a valid point because of the cited example website, you should yourself do a search.

Or is it this is what we have come to, if a website cited is deemed not to be a reliable or creditable source of information, people disregard the information, as if it does not exist, for I assure you this information does exist and that from scientific papers reporting on just what chemicals are now in our water supply.




tazzygirl -> RE: Birth Control for Men. Yes? No? (5/17/2010 7:57:52 AM)

~FR

I have long advocated the responsibility of both partners in pregnancy decisions. Men can be tricked easily, far easier than women. Why not have a birth control pill for men? The man is responsible for financially supporting a child for at least 18 years, he should have the ability to make that decision as well as the woman. When... not if but when... such a pill comes available, birth rates are expected to decline dramatically. Im not so sure, but im hoping, especially among the young.




VioletGray -> RE: Birth Control for Men. Yes? No? (5/18/2010 4:19:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: VioletGray
Is there something else that the writer of this article has neglected to consider? What's the deal?

Apart from the fact that the sort of wanker who can't even be bothered to use a johnny is hardly going to take a birth control pill, you mean?


"can't be bothered?"   So, guys who don't wear condoms are just too lazy to do so?  No, they neglect them because sex feels better without them.  A pill is simple, and you don't have to wrap it around your penis.   The reasoning is completely disjointed there.

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ORIGINAL: Brain

Do you really want to trust a man to take the pill? If you can accept the consequences if he lied then rely on him.

Can't see how this is terribly different from trusting a woman to take the pill, except I think a man is more terrified of the consequences.  Also, what's with all the relying? Why not both use contraception, and let each person have their own piece of mind?




MissAsylum -> RE: Birth Control for Men. Yes? No? (5/18/2010 4:30:25 AM)

it sounds like a great idea, since condoms kill the joy of sex for me. while my partner of 4 years is equally as terrified of a baby as i am? i honestly cant say that he would remember to take it every single day. he has said in a brilliant ruse: "routine is not my master". we'd be screwed. no pun intended




tazzygirl -> RE: Birth Control for Men. Yes? No? (5/18/2010 4:32:59 AM)

a gently placed reminder that 18 years of child support is a worse master than routine can sometimes work miracles [;)]




MissAsylum -> RE: Birth Control for Men. Yes? No? (5/18/2010 4:49:17 AM)

so true lol. but he is the type who cant be told otherwise more often than not.




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