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LadyEllen -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 4:44:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Came across a Christian/BDSM website, just wanted to know , those who are Christian, Catholic or believe in God and are of other religious affiliation as there is more than one religious group that believes in God, but if You are a believer , how do You fit the concept of being a Femdom, with the idea of having slaves serving You, with the concept of believing in a God who was man and who is supreme over all. Are you uncomfortable with the idea of God being male or is this a perversity that are You happy with , safe in the knowledge that You are happy living what some vanilla folk might consider a perverse life or Do You even consider it a contradiction, maybe its totally normal to You to be a Femdom and believe in God, did religion play a role in You deciding to be a Femdom, do You think this is what God's plan was for You all along. Thanks Ladies
kevin



Proposed Translation;
"Given the patriarchal nature of all those religions
a) of which I am aware, and
b) which provide the dominant cultural background, and
c) which hold that women are secondary to men, and
d) which seek to limit and control women to male defined purposes
How can a woman who claims adherence to those religions also engage in and enjoy relations with a man which appear to be directly contrary to the teachings of those religions?"

Proposed Translation of Proposed Translation;
"I am literally scared stiff of female sexuality and the power women have over me, even though I unknowingly give it to them, to think and do things which I have been instructed throughout my life are morally wrong.
"I can only conclude that women have some magical power, for it cannot be that I as a male, made in God's image, can otherwise be so affected by them.
"And I must conclude too that this power must be evil, for otherwise women would not have such power to portray themselves as God-fearing yet exercise such dire influence over me to my known departure from righteousness.
"In order to preserve my ego integrity as a male, I must further conclude that being otherwise helpless to resist this evil magical power of women, I must not acknowledge them as people but preserve them all as distrustful demonesses in my mind, and then start again at the top, forever trapped in a loop of faulty thought created by my own mind."

E




eyesopened -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 4:52:55 AM)

Well if one wanted to try to read the Bible literally then God would have to be both male and female if "he" made humans in "his" likeness.  Jesus said God is Spirit.  Also when questioned about who would be married to whom in the afterlife if someone had been married more than once in this life, (paraphrasing here) Jesus said, "What?  Are you an idiot?  When people die they are spirits like even the angels and are no longer flesh so no one is 'married'?  Get it?"  Which means God would be asexual, neither male or female.





tigreetsa -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 4:56:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

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Sweetness, I mean that people like yourself who believe that God is definately male when there is no evidence to suggest he is


Well if you want to go down that road, there is no definitive proof God exists either. [;)]



But what if God is in the image of Kevin?




PeonForHer -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 5:01:05 AM)

I'm not going to get into the question of God having dangly bits or boobies - you asked about the views of Christians, and most of them think of God as male. I'm not a Christian, nor even religious, so I couldn't be bothered to argue about that, anyway.

I'll turn the question around. Does having a religious sense actually help foster whatever kinky feelings one has? I'd say, no, for the obvious reason that its greatest apparent effect to date has been to suppress sexual feelings - kinky or otherwise. But I'd say 'yes' insofar as religion is about 'worshipping a superior being'. In carefully-judged doses, that feeling might well be very relevant to D/s dynamics. I'm not saying that dommes and doms just 'are' goddesses and gods - for me, that's always been a crock - I'm only saying that injecting a little quasi-religious feeling into proceedings might make things more enjoyable.




lobodomslavery -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 5:04:09 AM)

There is nothing categorical. i dont have proof but neither do You have proof that he definitely does NOT exist. it comes down to belief or disbelief.  We will know at the end of time
kevin




LadyAngelika -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 5:04:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RCdc

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

See this is precisely the reason why I'm an atheist. I won't even let God dominate me! Building a world in seven days, pffft! You should see what I can do with a cane ;-)

- LA



You won't let a god dominate you, but because such behaviour exists, that is why you don't believe?  So kevin and people like him, dominate you? [:D][;)]

the.dark.


Oh dark one, didn't you read the sarcasm in my post? ;-)

[illusions of grandeur]
And for the record, *no one* dominates me. All shall bow down and hail me!
[/illusions of grandeur]

- LA




MissAO -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 5:04:25 AM)

In accordance with my religion (Christian) and my philosophy (Gorean) I believe in a strong hierarchy, and that men were created to be at the top of that hierarchy. (To be totally accurate, it was because of my belief in hierarchy and male/ female roles that led me to Christianity and Gor, but that is a different discussion.)

To answer the OPs question - I am not a female supremicist or a femdom. I am submissive to my husband and several other men who claim their proper place in the hierarchy. I am, though, dominant in relation to a good majority of men. Not just in the BDSM world, but in western society in general, men have chosen to give up their God-given role of strength and responsibility and see themselves as equal to or below women. If these males have chose to be slaves, then they should be treated as slaves.

~A




lobodomslavery -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 5:06:48 AM)

Simply stating a basic fact is not being negative. It is mere truth. Did you come into the world with a bundle of treasure. No you came in as a vulnerable baby as we all did. We will go out the same too
kevin




LadyAngelika -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 5:07:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RCdc

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
Actually, in defence of Kevin, I was also taught that God was male. When I did the sign of the cross, I said "In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit". In addition, the first prayer I learned was "Our Father" Fathers, as far as I know, have typically been male.

I went to a Catholic wedding recently and they still say this so I figure they are still teaching that he is male, at least in the Catholic church.

- LA



Well, catholicism isn't always accepted as 'christianity' and has many substantial differences, but that's just me being picky.[;)](I believe that is probably more because I am from the UK though - europe is a lot more precise and pedantic than the Americas/Canada on that issue)
Our Father is metaphorical.  Of course, people do like to avoid historical references when it suits any kind of oppression.
Biblically, Jesus quoted God as being female, as well as male when using 'analogies' (like father, mother, hen etc).  It's history and patriarch society that has left out key phrases.  Jesus is noted in stating that God is spirit.  Whether spirit can have gender is not something that anyone can be sure about with any certainty.

the.dark.


True. I wasn't trying to provide proof that God was male, but rather explain where Kevin and many others might have gotten that idea.

For the record, as a de facto atheist, I don't even think God exists.

- LA




lobodomslavery -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 5:15:41 AM)

Your imagination is on fire Lady Ellen. Sadly on this occasion your translation is inaccurate. Oh well cant win them all, cant win them all
kevin




LadyEllen -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 5:29:11 AM)

Oh?

In the "Kevin Lottery" I can win any time I like, 'cause I got your number a good while ago and it doesnt change.

E




lobodomslavery -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 6:08:43 AM)

Good one Lady Ellen. i love humour as you know and especially good ole fashioned CRAIC
kevin




RCdc -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 6:37:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: RCdc

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

See this is precisely the reason why I'm an atheist. I won't even let God dominate me! Building a world in seven days, pffft! You should see what I can do with a cane ;-)

- LA



You won't let a god dominate you, but because such behaviour exists, that is why you don't believe?  So kevin and people like him, dominate you? [:D][;)]

the.dark.


Oh dark one, didn't you read the sarcasm in my post? ;-)

[illusions of grandeur]
And for the record, *no one* dominates me. All shall bow down and hail me!
[/illusions of grandeur]

- LA



I did Lady A, which is why I posted the little icons too.[:)]

the.dark.




RCdc -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 6:45:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

There is nothing categorical. i dont have proof but neither do You have proof that he definitely does NOT exist. it comes down to belief or disbelief.  We will know at the end of time
kevin



I wasn't asking you whether or not god exists - that was just me and zeph having smoochies and understand each other.
I HAVE asked you (losing count now - maybe this is the third or fourth time) what denomonation you are and who taught you that god is definately male, or whether you picked this up yourself through texts and I have asked you to provide texts to back up your assertion that god is male.

I have already provided what Jesus stated - that God is spirit - to back up my assertion that there is no proof that god is male as an absolute.  Will you or can you back up what you have asserted with biblical text?
 
If you can - great!  If you cannot, then your original question is unanswerable because the question's pointless.

the.dark.




RCdc -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 6:48:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Simply stating a basic fact is not being negative. It is mere truth. Did you come into the world with a bundle of treasure. No you came in as a vulnerable baby as we all did. We will go out the same too
kevin



If you want to be all biblical - we were born with many things - innocence being a primary example.
That's fact.[;)]

And you don't go out the same way you came in.  Well, maybe you will Kevin, because you never seem willing to learn.

the.dark.




DarkSteven -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 6:53:58 AM)

While I have no recollection of God supposedly saying anything on the subject, there is a letter of St. Paul which basically states, "Wives, obey your husbands.  Husbands, love your wives," which beautifully encapsulates an ideal maledom dynamic.  I suppose that anyone using a femdom dynamic would claim that while it violates St. Paul's epistle, it does not contradict any of God's word.




Rule -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 7:06:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened
Which means God would be asexual, neither male or female.

The pagan gods were either male or female. The Divine, being 'outside' our universe, has no gender as there are no objects as we know them 'outside' our universe.




lobodomslavery -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 7:11:44 AM)

It is written in religious texts that Christ was God but also man
kevin




lobodomslavery -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 7:12:43 AM)

im Catholic though questioning at present
kevin




Rule -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 7:13:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery
Simply stating a basic fact is not being negative. It is mere truth. Did you come into the world with a bundle of treasure. No you came in as a vulnerable baby as we all did. We will go out the same too
kevin

Some people are born as true dom(me)s.
Some people are born as twue submissives.
Some people are born as mothers.
Some people are born as maidens.
A lot of people are born as ordinary folk.
Some people are born like me.
Some people are born as natural slaves.

For lack of information I cannot be certain, but there is a faint indication that you, Kevin, were born as a (natural?) slave. So find yourself a domme, or be found by her, and obey her.




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