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RCdc -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 7:21:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

It is written in religious texts that Christ was God but also man
kevin



Please quote the text that God is male.  Its really not that hard Kevin, unless you really have no idea and have only picked up on what others have told you to do and you don't know your bible references.
I can quote text for you that god is as male, that god is as female and that god is spirit.  I have only asked you back up your assertions.  You have still not.

the.dark.




Rule -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 7:22:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
there is a letter of St. Paul which basically states, "Wives, obey your husbands.  Husbands, love your wives," which beautifully encapsulates an ideal maledom dynamic.

I suppose that was the consequence of the cultural baggage of Paul. He also probably had no choice, preaching mostly to Jews who would not have accepted anything else. He may have regretted this just before he was put to death in Rome.

It has been a dead weight around the neck of Christianity ever since. People ought to consider that Paul spoke to the people of his time, not to the Christians of later times. He might - and ought to - have given them a different counsel.




RCdc -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 7:24:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

im Catholic though questioning at present
kevin



So as a catholic, you worship the Virgin Mary?

the.dark.




GotSteel -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 7:26:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12
who are we to declare that God is male or female?

Who are you to declare that god is at all?




OrpheusAgonistes -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 7:37:08 AM)

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Proposed Translation;
"Given the patriarchal nature of all those religions
a) of which I am aware, and
b) which provide the dominant cultural background, and
c) which hold that women are secondary to men, and
d) which seek to limit and control women to male defined purposes
How can a woman who claims adherence to those religions also engage in and enjoy relations with a man which appear to be directly contrary to the teachings of those religions?"


Paracelus would be proud of the way this transforms the OP into something that's probably worth discussing.  I'd just add that (although it is unsurprising that the original poster would overlook this) even some (though not all)  women who are not Dommes might have a quibble or two with the patriarchal nature of the most orthodox received interpretations of these religions.

A more salient (and balanced) question might have been "Given a, b,c, and d how do you think being a believer influences your self-image as a woman?"

I'm pretty sure this question coming from the OP would still betray an inherently chauvinist and paternalistic worldview, but it would be a start. 




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 7:47:12 AM)

FR (haven't read all the responses, if this was already commented on sorry)

The word Elohim, is one used in the bible to describe God. As I understand it, Elohim is plural referring to both male and female. In fact, it refers to a 'pantheon'.

Maybe some worship a version of Elohim....male or female or even many?

If you refer back to the beginning "Genesis".

quote:

Genesis 1:26-27 says, “Then God said, ‘Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.’ So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.”


One understanding taught is that the "image" that man (mankind) was made into, was not when the body was formed from dust, but when God breathed life (spirit) into the body. That we became spiritual creatures, just as God is Spirit.

Quick Disclaimer here. I'm just sharing what I've been taught, and I'm not arguing religion or MY personal beliefs. Also, I make no claims on being an expert in any of this, so my words are simply my best understanding of what I've been taught, not an attempt to present anything as 'gospel'[:D]




RCdc -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 7:55:39 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
there is a letter of St. Paul which basically states, "Wives, obey your husbands.  Husbands, love your wives," which beautifully encapsulates an ideal maledom dynamic.

I suppose that was the consequence of the cultural baggage of Paul. He also probably had no choice, preaching mostly to Jews who would not have accepted anything else. He may have regretted this just before he was put to death in Rome.

It has been a dead weight around the neck of Christianity ever since. People ought to consider that Paul spoke to the people of his time, not to the Christians of later times. He might - and ought to - have given them a different counsel.



I had always thought of Paul as a misogynist, but there are indications he was fighting against his upbringing more than anything.  Romans has good examples of his teaching on the importance of women in authority.

the.dark.




LadyPact -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 7:58:35 AM)

I don't find it a contradiction at all.  Even if you look at the time the bible was written, there were plenty of people on the planet who believed in God and still served other humans.  They served their kings.  They served their owners if they were born or sold into slavery.  It isn't a concept that has to be only one or the other.  Both can exist.

As to whether God is male or female, I don't think it really matters.  Neither does the gender of a Dominant person.  The body that I happen to have in this world is going to die.  When there is nothing remaining of Me that has physical form, exactly what will there be of Me that will determine that I am female?  Once My body is dead, I will have to genitalia, no DNA, no two X chromosomes.  If there is still going to be something that links Me as female, it would only be those things that I used to be.




lobodomslavery -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 8:01:43 AM)

No i dont worship. I recognise Jesus Christ as my creator and the creator of all the human race
kevin




lobodomslavery -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 8:04:53 AM)

i dont have the Bible on me. Regardless of the Bible or any particular text, thats the teaching of my religion of Catholicism, of Christianity, that Christ was God but also man. Its a question of belief not proof. You seem to not recognise this which is strange. All religion is about belief its not about forcing beliefs on others its simply about saying what you believe in , if others differ their arguments are equally valid, for arguments read convictions,
kevin




RCdc -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 8:18:39 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

i dont have the Bible on me. Regardless of the Bible or any particular text, thats the teaching of my religion of Catholicism, of Christianity, that Christ was God but also man. Its a question of belief not proof. You seem to not recognise this which is strange. All religion is about belief its not about forcing beliefs on others its simply about saying what you believe in , if others differ their arguments are equally valid, for arguments read convictions,
kevin


Goodness Kevin, you are sitting at a computer, that contains any bible you want to quote.  No excuse.

Belief is fine.  No one is arguing that according to biblical teaching that man is the image of god.  I have only asked you to show where your belief comes from that god is absolutely male.  You must have heard or read it somewhere.

I can furnish examples for you of biblical teachings that refute your claim to the extent that god is definately male and that you are working on outdated theory that many christian (not catholic - although they are starting to swing that way) denominations are now prothelytzing.  But with you Kevin - you don't want to hear it or learn or even consider that you are generalising way too much.

the.dark.




lobodomslavery -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 8:25:35 AM)

There are a lot of doubting Thomases out there. Thats ok. Many will believe when they see him in the flesh, see the wounds in the side and in his feet. Christ has a message for all those. He simply said to Thomas when Thomas said that he would not believe unless he actually saw Christ in the flesh, Thomas you believe because you have seen, happy are those who have not seen and yet believe. There are millions around the world in this boat who have not seen but yet believe, there are also doubting Thomases, agnostics and atheists. Faith is tough even if I told you where I saw it you might not believe me and thats ok because its very difficult to believe in something You have not seen. Even Christ recognised this himself. By the way the message Happy are those who have not seen and yet believe is a quote from the Gospel
kevin




LadyEllen -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 9:19:54 AM)

Be careful now Kevin. You run the risk of having your stream of conciousness evaporated at a stroke, revealing the muddy bed beneath for all to behold.

Seek the well spring of your thoughts, remove the rotting carcass laying stagnant in its pooling eddies and make of it the source of life, or be forever dammed.

In this you must emulate your Christ and thereby become Him.

E




vincentML -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 9:33:16 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
there is a letter of St. Paul which basically states, "Wives, obey your husbands.  Husbands, love your wives," which beautifully encapsulates an ideal maledom dynamic.

I suppose that was the consequence of the cultural baggage of Paul. He also probably had no choice, preaching mostly to Jews who would not have accepted anything else. He may have regretted this just before he was put to death in Rome.

It has been a dead weight around the neck of Christianity ever since. People ought to consider that Paul spoke to the people of his time, not to the Christians of later times. He might - and ought to - have given them a different counsel.



I understood Paul's mission was to convert the pagans and Jews in Asia Minor. Wonder what your source is for this statement he was preaching mostly to Jews. Do you have a head count?




RCdc -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 9:37:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

There are a lot of doubting Thomases out there. Thats ok. Many will believe when they see him in the flesh, see the wounds in the side and in his feet. Christ has a message for all those. He simply said to Thomas when Thomas said that he would not believe unless he actually saw Christ in the flesh, Thomas you believe because you have seen, happy are those who have not seen and yet believe. There are millions around the world in this boat who have not seen but yet believe, there are also doubting Thomases, agnostics and atheists. Faith is tough even if I told you where I saw it you might not believe me and thats ok because its very difficult to believe in something You have not seen. Even Christ recognised this himself. By the way the message Happy are those who have not seen and yet believe is a quote from the Gospel
kevin


You can try and avoid my question as much as you like.  But I'll still keep asking.
To have faith, one must have some semblence of understanding.  For someone to have faith in god, they say that the bible is an example of god, or they saw him in a vision or something tangible.  So what is your example of god being male, where does your faith stem from?
It's that simple.

the.dark.




vincentML -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 9:41:01 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Be careful now Kevin. You run the risk of having your stream of conciousness evaporated at a stroke, revealing the muddy bed beneath for all to behold.

Seek the well spring of your thoughts, remove the rotting carcass laying stagnant in its pooling eddies and make of it the source of life, or be forever dammed.

In this you must emulate your Christ and thereby become Him.
E


I think you Ladies have sent kevin well along the road to Golgotha in this thread, Lady Ellen.
[:)]




AlexandraLynch -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 9:41:39 AM)

God is the ocean and I am a jellyfish. There is no conflict. 




LadyEllen -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 9:48:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Be careful now Kevin. You run the risk of having your stream of conciousness evaporated at a stroke, revealing the muddy bed beneath for all to behold.

Seek the well spring of your thoughts, remove the rotting carcass laying stagnant in its pooling eddies and make of it the source of life, or be forever dammed.

In this you must emulate your Christ and thereby become Him.
E


I think you Ladies have sent kevin well along the road to Golgotha in this thread, Lady Ellen.
[:)]


Kevin's professions are merely impromptu shields for his maladapted and poisonous ego V. It will only be when he realises the nature of this ego and destroys it that he shall have opportunity to develop a new one, fit to be sacrified to his Christ.

E




thishereboi -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 9:50:04 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Be careful now Kevin. You run the risk of having your stream of conciousness evaporated at a stroke, revealing the muddy bed beneath for all to behold.

Seek the well spring of your thoughts, remove the rotting carcass laying stagnant in its pooling eddies and make of it the source of life, or be forever dammed.

In this you must emulate your Christ and thereby become Him.
E


I think you Ladies have sent kevin well along the road to Golgotha in this thread, Lady Ellen.
[:)]


Yea, it's a shame. If this thread had been started by someone else, we might have gotten some really good answers. Of course there would still be the ones who come on and start demanding proof of god and other stuff not related to the OPs question, but others might have taken it more seriously. I personally give kev credit for going this long without bringing up pros.




LadyNTrainer -> RE: If you believe in God how do You fit being a Femdom into this? (5/17/2010 10:00:42 AM)

Separate the human culture from the fundamental spiritual/religious ideals, and it's not a problem.

My secondary partner is deeply spiritual, and his faith is an ethnic Orthodox variant.  He is also a pretty fair biblical scholar and is familiar with the earlier translations in the original language and other languages, and where various passages picked up meanings depending on the cultural implications of the various words chosen during historical time periods.  When you read a bible that has been translated through more than one language, I guarantee you are reading some words that have the filters of all those cultures and accrued "slang" meanings attached to them.

One excellent example is the passage "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."  In the original Middle Eastern language, the term was a specific one, and meant "well poisoner".  There was a word for this crime, because it was a damn serious one.  Poison a well and you condemn an entire community to death, not to mention anyone traveling through and counting on the water supply there.   The Greek rendered this word as simply "poisoner", though the word used there implied one who makes and compounds chemical substances, an alchemist or pharmacist.  The Latin in turn rendered it as "malicious poisoner", because the Greek term didn't really convey the criminal aspect too well.  In Europe when this term was translated into English, a malicious poisoner was part of their cultural definition of a witch, so that was the word that was chosen at Nicea. 

Fast forward to the King James Edition, and you have a lot of people thinking that this passage refers to harmless modern followers of Earth-based and Goddess-centered spirituality, eg, Wiccans.  Poisoning wells is the *last* thing that these folks would ever do, but because of the four-way chain of cultural filters during translation, you have a pretty significant misunderstanding.  And potentially an ugly one.

That's just one example; there are lots.  There's also the issue of the document containing a lot of practical instructions for daily life in the desert that don't work so well outside their cultural context.  If you literally obey every word of the Bible, you will find yourself going outside the city to take a dump and burying it to a prescribed depth with a wooden paddle.  You will also be sacrificing doves, goats and cows on a rock at certain intervals, having sex with 12 year old girls, holding slaves, and tearing apart the entrails of pregnant women if they are of the race of your enemy.  Good luck with that, and be sure to write us from your cell.  That stuff worked for desert tribes way back when, but we're a little more enlightened now, and we can view their cultural practices as separate from the actual spiritual precepts that have survived the ages.

Dumb people tend to latch onto every cultural artifact associated with their religion and cling to it mindlessly, like sheep or cattle, following without thinking.  Smart people who are also deeply spiritual, like my partner, have the intellect and the education to separate cultural artifact from the spiritual truths that are meaningful to them. 




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