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RE: Do you think it is unacceptably late to be cooking ... - 5/20/2010 3:32:52 AM   
lobodomslavery


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Status: offline 		Well i dont know. its a FAS scheme which end s at end of August and then im being told i will be paid as boss said She will offer me a job
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RE: Do you think it is unacceptably late to be cooking ... - 5/20/2010 3:36:48 AM   
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Well i dont know. its a FAS scheme which end s at end of August and then im being told i will be paid as boss said She will offer me a job
kevin

so you are going to keep doing it for the next three months at no cost to the employer?




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RE: Do you think it is unacceptably late to be cooking ... - 5/20/2010 3:42:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		eerr...dear...I'm always out all day long. I come home, do something I need to do here, run out. I come home, do something else and then I leave again. I do this all day and night long most nights.

She told you she'd be available probably figuring she'd just not answer the phone when you called.

I've done telemarketing for years at one time in my life. I'd not do it again if my life depended on it. It's a horrible job and the person you're "working" for is dicking you around. She's not going to pay you or hire you. She knows she found a dupe.



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RE: Do you think it is unacceptably late to be cooking ... - 5/20/2010 4:37:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Did you do it unpaid. if you did regardless of the fact that you are a slave in a BDSM sense, you should sue Him/Her, they are breakign the law, you are entitled to be treated with fairness at work, fairness includes fair pay if on contract, if not sue
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RE: Do you think it is unacceptably late to be cooking ... - 5/20/2010 5:07:36 AM   
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Oh my god, no wonder my worker's comp rates and general liability rates are so fucking high. I dread litigious employees like you. It's work, not fucking Disneyland. Thank god Maine is a no fault fire state. Terminate at will. Fair is entirely fine, two 15 minute breaks, paid, and 30 min. for lunch. You better adhere to every single one of my employee contract policies though, or your ass is out the door. This is a wretched economy and hard working men are lined up wanting employment in this industry, and I am not going to argue with some little pissant that is mad because I won't let him smoke a cigarette while building a million dollar house. Next....


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RE: Do you think it is unacceptably late to be cooking ... - 5/20/2010 5:27:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Aynne, as insane as I find the OP to be, he is right that if your employer doesn't pay you, you should sue. The ironic thing is, he's working for FREE until August! *lol* After which of course, the lady (please tell me she's at least wearing stillettos) will find a reason that he is unsuitable for hire, and therefore will not hire him for the job he's been doing for free!

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RE: Do you think it is unacceptably late to be cooking ... - 5/20/2010 5:56:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Well i dont know. its a FAS scheme which end s at end of August and then im being told i will be paid as boss said She will offer me a job
kevin

Kevin, I'm not joking-I just did a run-through of my facebook friendslist and counted everyone I know to have gotten a cold-calling job in the past six months or so.

Seventeen people who walked straight into paid jobs, Kevin. Seventeen people, a reasonable proportion of whom are kinda wasters if I'm honest. Lovely wasters, but wasters nonetheless. And yet they've all managed to find cold-calling jobs.

And you're spending six months doing it for free?

You are being ripped off in a serious way.


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RE: Do you think it is unacceptably late to be cooking ... - 5/20/2010 5:59:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Did you do it unpaid. if you did regardless of the fact that you are a slave in a BDSM sense, you should sue Him/Her, they are breakign the law, you are entitled to be treated with fairness at work, fairness includes fair pay if on contract, if not sue
kevin


You are entitled to be paid the agreed rate under the contract - whether this is a fair rate or not is something to have considered at the time of agreeing the contract, minimum wage legislation notwithstanding.

Its a criminal matter if minimum wage at the least is not paid and here's the rub; a prosecution for that would take precedence over your civil suit so you might be waiting a long time and paying a lot of fees and end up recovering nothing. In fact its more than likely you will recover nothing, either because said employer cant pay by the time your judgment is won or because, being the sort of crafty sod who chooses not to treat employees properly, the employer has disappeared.

And have you heard the joys of the counterclaim I wonder? If the employer didnt pay you because you didnt do the work or did it so badly that you didnt meet your contractual obligations and then you sue, you might find it all ends in tears when you get sued back for the damage and losses you produced, far in excess of the wages you allege to have been withheld.

In summary, dont go suing people unless you are confident of winning, the defendant is worth suing and there isnt a counterclaim likely to be thrown back at you. Even so dont go suing anyone unless you can take the hit if you lose.

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RE: Do you think it is unacceptably late to be cooking ... - 5/20/2010 6:52:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

Aynne, as insane as I find the OP to be, he is right that if your employer doesn't pay you, you should sue. The ironic thing is, he's working for FREE until August! *lol* After which of course, the lady (please tell me she's at least wearing stillettos) will find a reason that he is unsuitable for hire, and therefore will not hire him for the job he's been doing for free!


lol.....stilettos! No I agree on that part, I quickly read his reply to little wonder about suing if not being treated fairly at work, I was more or less replying to that. But you are oh so right, he won't be hired on as  a paid employee in August. 


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RE: Do you think it is unacceptably late to be cooking ... - 5/20/2010 7:22:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nope.........he is working for free. On the up side, he's being this person's slave! Kevin is getting financially dominated wayyyyyyyy more than if he was working a paying job and going to see a pro.

Congratulations Kevin! You've got the best pro-domme in the bidness!


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RE: Do you think it is unacceptably late to be cooking ... - 5/20/2010 9:20:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Believe you me La Tigressse if She does not offer me a paid position come August, i will complain her to FAS. She will never get a work experience employee ever again.
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RE: Do you think it is unacceptably late to be cooking ... - 5/20/2010 9:22:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Kevin...unless you have a contract, all she has to do is say your work is sub-standard

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RE: Do you think it is unacceptably late to be cooking ... - 5/20/2010 9:31:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Some of you here make me laugh, honestly. Granted Kevin is a bit of a corner boy with his ridiculous threads and outrageous posts but the mickey-taking is now shifting to the fact that he's unemployed and on his work experience and inability to find work.

And do you know what? It's getting ugly. It's now six pages and not a dicky bird about the company that's got the Government to give it the unemployed as freebie staff to do it's donkey work. It makes a complete mockery of all the businesses and companies out there who struggle to pay their staff decent wages not to mention those that can't afford staff and do without. I mean honestly, why bother paying staff when you can go down the dole office and get your workers for free?

How many of you out there would be so willing to get out of bed in the morning and go to work if you weren't sure that you were going to get paid? And what if you weren't paid? Then what?

I've got to give Kevin credit here, at least he's giving it a go and trying to be upbeat about it. He's still trying to be upbeat about it despite those who are coming onto the thread to put him down because of it. But then again Kevin probably doesn't have much choice. I've got three friends I know of who have been put on similar schemes here in London. Two haven't worked out, and they've lost their benefits, i.e. their income as a result.

But hey, please don't let me stop you all taking the piss out of him because he's on the dole and giving the work experience a go. Maybe when it happens to you we'll all find it just as hilarious.


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RE: Do you think it is unacceptably late to be cooking ... - 5/20/2010 9:31:37 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Believe you me La Tigressse if She does not offer me a paid position come August, i will complain her to FAS. She will never get a work experience employee ever again.
kevin


Kevin, you are being played and don't see it.


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RE: Do you think it is unacceptably late to be cooking ... - 5/20/2010 9:37:37 AM   
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But hey, please don't let me stop you all taking the piss out of him because he's on the dole and giving the work experience a go. Maybe when it happens to you we'll all find it just as hilarious.
Stella...i can't speak for everyone...but i personally do not want to see Kevin taken advantage of.

Perhaps things are different in his neck of the woods, but i have seen far to many unscrupulous employers take advantage of trainees.


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RE: Do you think it is unacceptably late to be cooking ... - 5/20/2010 9:40:01 AM   
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But hey, please don't let me stop you all taking the piss out of him because he's on the dole and giving the work experience a go. Maybe when it happens to you we'll all find it just as hilarious.

Just to be clear-I'm not taking the piss. I *do* know seventeen people who walked into equivalent jobs with no prior qualifications and without having to do six months unpaid labour first.

He's not 'giving it a go', he's being taken for a ride.


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RE: Do you think it is unacceptably late to be cooking ... - 5/20/2010 11:41:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

Stella...i can't speak for everyone...but i personally do not want to see Kevin taken advantage of.



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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

Just to be clear-I'm not taking the piss. I *do* know seventeen people who walked into equivalent jobs with no prior qualifications and without having to do six months unpaid labour first.

He's not 'giving it a go', he's being taken for a ride.



Agreed and yes I see this. I feel exactly the same way and I also stand up as someone who has also taken the mickey out of him. I've done door to door selling or canvassing years ago and I wouldn't wish this on anyone, much less anyone who has been unemployed for a long time and who has difficulties finding work - for whatever reason. However the difference is is that I was fortunate enough to be able to tell my employer to go take a running jump when he was fiddling the commission (and doing deals behind my back) when I know Kevin doesn't have that luxury.

But then again Kevin it's got to be said that while I'd support you and your complaint to the FSA if you didn't get paid work at the end of it (I actually feel you should be getting paid work right now, but that's beside the point, I don't get to make up the rules) you have also got to look beyond other people and look at yourself and what you are doing, and accept that what you think and feel about the economy isn't going to get you a job. If you're that prepared to get up out of bed in the morning for someone else to do their donkey work for them then maybe it's time for you to start looking for someone else who's prepared to pay you for the work you do.

Bottom line Kevin is you've got to start looking after number one here and accept that a promise is a comfort to a fool. It doesn't matter when women cook dinner, it doesn't matter if they wear leather boots, and it doesn't matter how and what jobs they take. All that matters is that you find someone who's prepared to give you work and pay you for the work you do and what you do to get yourself into that situation.




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RE: Do you think it is unacceptably late to be cooking ... - 5/20/2010 11:49:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Your right i have no choice. no one is breaking down the doors with job offers for me. i have to do this. im just taking a hunch if you like. i take Her at her word, she told me she will give me a job at the end of it, if she doesnt i ve been let down but its not as if its the first time its happened it wont end my world or my life ive been burned so many times that im inured to it at this stage
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RE: Do you think it is unacceptably late to be cooking ... - 5/20/2010 11:52:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		if all comes to all at worst ill have six months further work experience on my cv that cant be bad it will make me a bit more marketable. im looking at the positives. when the recession it will look good on my cv to show that i worked even when i wasnt been paid for it i will be one up on those who didnt bother their ass. i could have sat on my hole but i wouldnt get anywhere doign that
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RE: Do you think it is unacceptably late to be cooking ... - 5/20/2010 12:00:15 PM   
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