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Obama on the Arizona law - 5/19/2010 10:34:20 PM   
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WASHINGTON - Confronting soaring frustration over illegal immigration, President Barack Obama on Wednesday condemned Arizona's crackdown and pushed instead for a federal fix the nation could embrace. He said that will never happen without Republican support, pleading: "I need some help."

In asking anew for an immigration overhaul, Obama showed solidarity with his guest of honor, Mexican President Felipe Calderon, who called Arizona's law discriminatory and warned Mexico would reject any effort to "criminalize migration." The United States and Mexico share a significant economic and political relationship that stands to be damaged the more the nations are at odds over immigration, which affects millions of people on both sides of the border.

Obama sought to show that he, too, is fed up with his own government's failure to fix a system widely seen as broken. He said that would require solving border security, employment and citizenship issues all at once — the kind of effort that collapsed in Congress just three years ago.

The president's stand underscored the forces working against him in this election year: the need for help from Republican critics, the impatience of states like Arizona after federal inaction, the pressure to show movement on a campaign promise, and the mood of the public disgusted by porous borders.

Law will take effect July 29
The Arizona law requires police to question people about their immigration status if there's reason to suspect they're in the country illegally, and it makes it a state crime to be in the U.S. illegally. People may be questioned about their status if they've been stopped by police who are in the process of enforcing another law.

The law will take effect July 29 unless legal challenges are successful. Almost twice as many people support it as those who oppose it, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll this month. It found that 42 percent favored it, 24 percent opposed it and another 29 percent said they were neutral.

Yet in a Rose Garden appearance with Calderon, Obama called the Arizona law "a misdirected expression of frustration." He expects to announce soon what action his government may take about it, once the Justice Department finishes reviewing whether the law violates civil rights.

"In the United States of America, no law-abiding person — be they an American citizen, a legal immigrant, or a visitor or tourist from Mexico — should ever be subject to suspicion simply because of what they look like," Obama said.

Calderon was upbeat about the chance of finding a fair, dignified way of dealing with migrants. He added: "Many of them, despite their significant contribution to the economy and to the society of the United States, still live in the shadows, and occasionally, as in Arizona, they even face discrimination."

The immigration theme dominated a day of pageantry and showy support for Calderon, who enjoyed a state visit with his wife, Margarita Zavala.

State dinner in the East Room
The Mexican president was treated to a grand welcome on the South Lawn in the morning. Wednesday night, 200 guests were invited for a state dinner in the East Room, followed by entertainment back on the lawn under cover of an enormous tent. Obama repeatedly offered U.S. support for Calderon's government, particularly in his aggressive fight against drug traffickers, a violent battle that has left roughly 23,000 people dead since the end of 2006.

On immigration, Obama's criticism of the Arizona law is easier than the fix he wants: getting his own party and Republicans to pass an immigration overhaul.

His plan calls improving border security, ensuring employers are held accountable if they try to hire undocumented workers or break other laws, and assigning a series of responsibilities on the millions of people living in the United States illegally. Those include requiring them to pay a penalty and back taxes, learn English and get in line toward becoming a legal resident and citizen of the country.

Republican President George W. Bush tried to get that the kind of package through Congress in his second term, once confidently telling reporters: "I'll see you at the bill signing." He never did. The effort collapsed on Capitol Hill in 2007, as critics charged that the measure amounted to amnesty for lawbreakers.

This time around, Obama said: "I'm actually confident that we can get it done."

But in a political tutorial on the path ahead, Obama said he didn't have the 60 votes he needs in the Senate to overcome vote-killing stall tactics. Democrats and independents hold 59 Senate seats. Obama said he will seek the Republican support he needs.

"It's my job to work with members of Congress to see that happen," the president said. Again, though, even he has questioned Congress' will this year.

Time is running short
Senate supporters have unveiled a framework as a starting point, but time is running short for any real action in 2010, frustrating in particular the many Hispanic voters who want progress. The outcome of fall elections could determine whether Congress takes up immigration next year.

Calderon will have a chance to make his case directly to U.S. lawmakers on Thursday during an address to Congress.

Meanwhile, Obama and Calderon emerged from their talks heralding expanded cooperation on trade, energy, intellectual property and student exchanges.

Obama reaffirmed his commitment to Calderon's offensive in the deadly drug wars, too.

"This is not just a problem in Mexico," Obama said. "It is a problem that the United States has to address. ... It is absolutely true that U.S. demand for drugs helps to drive this public safety crisis within Mexico and so we've got an obligation not to drive the demand side of the equation."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37232608/ns/world_news-americas

Hmmm... seems to me the Arizona law is working as intended... so far. Now, will Obama get further than Bush did? Or will it become the clusterfuck that health care reform became? Both sides of the political "playground" insists something needs to be done.

I bolded the section discussing Obama's plan in immigration reform.

Thoughts?

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RE: Obama on the Arizona law - 5/19/2010 11:15:06 PM   
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Talk is cheap. Until there is real border enforcement its just grandstanding.

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RE: Obama on the Arizona law - 5/19/2010 11:33:24 PM   
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Totally awkward:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO4nj87gYHU&feature=player_embedded

SECOND GRADER: My mom said that, I think that she says that Barack Obama's taking everybody away that doesn't have papers.

MICHELLE OBAMA: Yeah well that's something we have to work on, right. To ake sure that people can be here with the right kind of papers right? That's exactly right

SG: But my mom doesn't have papers.

MO: Yeah well we have to work on that. We have to fix that. Everybody has to work together in Congress to make sure that happens.

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RE: Obama on the Arizona law - 5/20/2010 4:09:49 AM   
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I actually saw that you tube clip on the news.  Granted she's a child and all she understands is we're (or Obama as she put is) is going to take them away if they don't have papers.  I didn't watch the youtube clip because I read the dialogue you posted for it and recalled the incident with the small girl and Michelle Obama.  So yes, they would take her mother away.  I would assume that would mean her kids would go with her.  As it stands now, an illegal immigrants child is allowed to go to school, without any repercussions.  That was one of McCain's big dilemma's and why he was such an advocate on giving illegals some kind of immunity, because of the children.  But McCain's flip-flopped back the other way now.  Me, I don't think they should ever grant "immunity", but should aide (aide in the form of show how to, support, and guide) the illegal parents in becoming legal, or then yes, they could leave, knowing they had a choice and they chose.

This problem has long been avoided for administration(s), not just Obama's.  But during Obama's administration is when AZ (and now CO is talking about it) started taking the law into their own hands...kind of forcing the president to do something about it.  But, remember, he's playing with the Party of No.  So this should be very interesting, frustrating, embarrassing and.....find your own adjective to slip in there.

Personally, I think Obama is smarter than what he was.  While I know he believes in diplomacy, I think he could have found a better way to sympathize with the Mexican president and even agree they'd work on a solution together, without condemning AZ's new law so outwardly and publicly to Mexico.  When the law goes into effect its going to make America...not just AZ...seem hostile to Mexico and it will look like Obama is condoning it which will ruin relations (not that everyone here may care, but ruining relations with a neighboring country isn't a good thing). 


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RE: Obama on the Arizona law - 5/20/2010 4:34:09 AM   
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Not only did Obama and the Mexican president bash Arizona from the White House lawn but Obama apologized to the Chinese for our, what, human rights violations, on Arizona's behalf...


http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/66191

People all over the world are beginning to call this president "o BOW ma" because of the way he constantly grovels and apologizes for all our imagined sins.





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RE: Obama on the Arizona law - 5/20/2010 4:39:25 AM   
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Like I said he's a diplomat. Given the "my way or the highway" attitude of republicans, thats an odd feeling for some of you, now.  Diplomacy is a good thing.  I don't agree with how he handled the AZ thing with the Mexican president.  But I'm not about to bash him for trying to get along with the world.  See it as cow-towing, if you will, but I won't and don't.


*editted to add a work I forgot...haven't had my share of coffee yet

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RE: Obama on the Arizona law - 5/20/2010 4:39:53 AM   
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Calderon lecturing our president and the United States on our human rights record. You can't make this stuff up. He should go home and fix his own economy so the Mexican people won't have to leave.

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RE: Obama on the Arizona law - 5/20/2010 5:09:36 AM   
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His plan calls improving border security, ensuring employers are held accountable if they try to hire undocumented workers or break other laws, and assigning a series of responsibilities on the millions of people living in the United States illegally. Those include requiring them to pay a penalty and back taxes, learn English and get in line toward becoming a legal resident and citizen of the country.


So no one has an issue with Obama's plan, if this is indeed his plan and it comes to pass?

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RE: Obama on the Arizona law - 5/20/2010 5:24:40 AM   
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If the border isn't secured, nothing else can happen. Calderon forgot to mention that anyone in his country 'without papers', will be arrested. He should just shut up, go home and concentrate on the 27,000 deaths caused by Mexican drug gangs.

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RE: Obama on the Arizona law - 5/20/2010 5:29:56 AM   
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That wasnt from Calderon. What i posted was Obama's plan.

This from the White House website...

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Strengthen Border Control
President Obama will protect the integrity of our borders by investing in additional personnel, infrastructure, and technology on the border and at our ports of entry.

Improve Our Immigration System
President Obama will fix the dysfunctional immigration bureaucracy and enable legal immigration so that families can stay together.

Remove Incentives to Enter Illegally
President Obama will remove incentives to enter the country illegally by preventing employers from hiring undocumented workers and enforcing the law.

Bring People Out of the Shadows
President Obama supports a system that allows undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, learn English, and go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens.

Work with Mexico
President Obama will promote economic development in Mexico to decrease the economic desperation that leads to illegal immigration.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/immigration/

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RE: Obama on the Arizona law - 5/20/2010 5:45:32 AM   
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I was refering to Calderones lecture to the people of the United States yesterday. He is not the person to lecture anyone on their human rights record. I am in complete agreement with the administrations plan. Securing our border is something that no previous administration has been willing to do. Maybe Obama will actually do it. We shall see.

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RE: Obama on the Arizona law - 5/20/2010 5:46:47 AM   
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Curious. I would have thought some would be up in arms over forcing illegals to learn english as part of the package.

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RE: Obama on the Arizona law - 5/20/2010 5:58:42 AM   
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Calderon lecturing us...

Ironic.

How Mexico Treats Its Illegal Aliens

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Calderon lecturing our president and the United States on our human rights record. You can't make this stuff up. He should go home and fix his own economy so the Mexican people won't have to leave.


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RE: Obama on the Arizona law - 5/20/2010 6:03:14 AM   
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Like I said he's a diplomat. Given the "my way or the highway" attitude of republicans, thats an odd feeling for some of you, now.  Diplomacy is a good thing.  I don't agree with how he handled the AZ thing with the Mexican president.  But I'm not about to bash him for trying to get along with the world.  See it as cow-towing, if you will, but I won't and don't.


Diplomacy is pursuing your own interests while managing to convince other people you're going along with theirs. I don't see anything diplomatic about his criticism of the AZ law, I see it as compromising.

Whether you think compromise is a good or bad thing is a matter of opinion.

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RE: Obama on the Arizona law - 5/20/2010 6:05:16 AM   
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~chuckles

And Arizona's law is so bad in comparison???

Mexico doesnt call their own who come to the US illegal immigrants... they call them migrants. Mexico allows only the rich and healthy, and ships off the poor and sick. Ah yes. I can see why so many are upset with the US laws now, why they come here. We have become the pansies on the block.

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RE: Obama on the Arizona law - 5/20/2010 6:11:43 AM   
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What kind of president teams with foreign nations to attack American states?

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ORIGINAL: Louve00

Like I said he's a diplomat. Given the "my way or the highway" attitude of republicans, thats an odd feeling for some of you, now.  Diplomacy is a good thing.  I don't agree with how he handled the AZ thing with the Mexican president.  But I'm not about to bash him for trying to get along with the world.  See it as cow-towing, if you will, but I won't and don't.


Diplomacy is pursuing your own interests while managing to convince other people you're going along with theirs. I don't see anything diplomatic about his criticism of the AZ law, I see it as compromising.

Whether you think compromise is a good or bad thing is a matter of opinion.


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RE: Obama on the Arizona law - 5/20/2010 6:12:39 AM   
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What kind of president teams with foreign nations to attack American states?


One who thinks "Leader of the Free World" is his official title.

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RE: Obama on the Arizona law - 5/20/2010 6:52:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Louve00

Like I said he's a diplomat. Given the "my way or the highway" attitude of republicans, thats an odd feeling for some of you, now.  Diplomacy is a good thing.  I don't agree with how he handled the AZ thing with the Mexican president.  But I'm not about to bash him for trying to get along with the world.  See it as cow-towing, if you will, but I won't and don't.


Diplomacy is pursuing your own interests while managing to convince other people you're going along with theirs. I don't see anything diplomatic about his criticism of the AZ law, I see it as compromising.

Whether you think compromise is a good or bad thing is a matter of opinion.


I know the meaning of diplomacy.  And in my opinion, Obama does seek his own interests while trying to convince others to get on board with him.  He's been doing that on a daily basis with the repubs...look how he backtracked (to ease and soothe, IMO) on healthcare, only to come back and compromise a reform.

Sometimes, in fact, often-times compromise is the only way to get what you want.  Standing indignantly can provoke more indignation from your oponents.  Again, IMO


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RE: Obama on the Arizona law - 5/20/2010 6:54:22 AM   
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How Mexico Treats Its Illegal Aliens



Michelle Malkin is a sexually frustrated virgin.

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RE: Obama on the Arizona law - 5/20/2010 6:59:34 AM   
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Michelle Malkin is a sexually frustrated virgin.



Got anything to back that assertion with, RML, or are you just spewing more hate filled nonsense to try and distract from the facts? You know, like calling McCarthyism on people asking the Attorney General perfectly legitimate questions?



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