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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/22/2010 9:06:16 PM

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damn. i dunno how i missed that! and to think, i made up (or thought i did) the most far fetched idiotic thing that came to mind.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/22/2010 9:22:57 PM

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Yeah. those damn metal forceps and vaccumms.... best to let the mother and child die than force the child to go through such trauma! I mean, the first documented use of forceps was only in the 1600's. How dare they use such technology today!

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/22/2010 9:29:02 PM

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So the lesson of this story is: circumcise, especially if you are a member of the Tribe.

Um not entirely sure how I was supposed to get that lesson from that story.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/22/2010 9:43:37 PM

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There's a lesson? There's a story?

Coming soon...the mini-series....Lost Circumcision.....

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/22/2010 10:27:44 PM

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There's a lesson? There's a story?

Coming soon...the mini-series....Lost Circumcision.....

Ohh, you thought the ten commandments was epic? Wait till you get a load of my life story on screen. Regretfully, no Charlton Heston.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/23/2010 4:10:31 AM

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Back in the late 1940s not a lot of doctors were adept at the surgery and my dad asked his friend (a jew) if a non-jew could get a Mohel to perform the surgury. As it turns out they could and they did.

I hope he managed to convince the Mohel to skip the step where he sucks on the penis, talk about increasing one's risk of STDs

Is there ever a time when you are not an ass? The mohel did a circumsion, not a bris. Most Mohels stopped the ritual (using the mouth to stop the bleeding) in the 19th century.

I love my father and you insult him. But as much as I love my father, he really is pretty homophobic. Had the mohel sucked my brother's penis to stop the blood my dad would never in a million years had the same mohel circumcise two more sons. I asked my dad about it yesterday. He tells me he held my brother(s) while the mohel dipped bread into wine and had the baby suck the wine, then with one motion removed the foreskin. According to my dad, none of my brothers cried at all. I asked about the the penis sucking thing. My dad was very confused by the question and said "What the hell? No, the mohel handed me a sterile gauze! What the hell are you talking about."

So unless you were there... could I interest you in an nice hot cup of shut the fuck up?

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/23/2010 5:44:27 AM

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It is best if parents have complete information in order to make an informed choice. There are many opportunities for the violation of human rights during the child raising years. Many parents also vaccinate children without their consent. Ultimately parents have to do what they feel is in the best interest of their child.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/23/2010 4:57:41 PM

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Why, bless your pea-pickin' heart!

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I'd swear you were belladevine in disguise.

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Refashioning a foreskin is not the solution. Staying away from surgery is a good thing in my book.

Biting the bullet is also not a healthy alternative either.

To me even conceding that the procedure is brutally insane is a window toward healing it all.

Men who have been cut can do things to help mend that tragic loss. Love will conquer all.

I think if a lover could take time to give the head some tender loving attention it would do wonders toward mending the gaps we have been in for so long. It would feel lovely and he could be safe to tune into that place consciously, would be so cool. A safe warm place to mourn the feeling centers being chopped off barbarically.

Whatever that means. She looks pretty hot from her picture.

When you post you come across as a real jerk.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/24/2010 5:46:15 PM

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Also forgive those who mutilated you and who robbed you of your destiny and who made you into a blasphemer
Rule..from what you have said in other threads as well as here, do you feel criminal behavior can be blamed on circumcision, as it is on the insanity defense?

Unfortunately there are only circumstantial indications that this may be true. Here in The Netherlands (especially Moroccan) muslims have a high incidence of being acquaintances of the police.

Most telling circumstantial evidence in my opinion is Saint Paul's remark that it is better to be circumcised of heart than to be circumcised of the flesh.

Then my reading of scripture suggests that there was among the Jews of Antiquity a high incidence of homosexuality. I suspect that this often was not true homosexuality, but pseudo-homosexuality. My hypothesis is that pseudo-homosexuality occurs in the absence of a conscience. People without a conscience require laws to manage their behavior - and Jews and Muslims obsessively clinging to their religious Laws in my opinion confirms such a lack of conscience in many of the individuals in their populations.

I have wondered what hypothetically might cause such a lack of conscience. My hypothesis is that the causal chain may have been like this:

1. Circumcision results in a high incidence of (lethal) inherited diseases in the population.
2. Some males will be carriers of a relatively low number of such inherited diseases. It is advantageous for females and evolutionary advantageous for the population, to have progeny from these males. As circumcision enforces monogamy in the females in such circumcised populations, polygamy will evolve.
3. Polygamy leaves lots of single males who can only reproduce by raping females.
4. A conscience may stop a male from raping a woman. Thus single males without a conscience have an evolutionary advantage over single males with a conscience. As a result the frequency of the no conscience allele in the population will increase over time.

It may be that there are other and better hypotheses to explain the suggested high proportion of no conscience individuals in circumcised populations.

I wonder whether this explains the exorbitant percentage of people in American jails. In any case having no conscience would explain why circumcised populations have no problem with circumcising and thereby mutilating their male progeny. They simply do not get it that circumcision is wrong.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/24/2010 5:52:24 PM

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I suspect that many of those who have blasphemed and sinned and wronged male children by practicing circumcision, as well as those who have suffered that dire fate, are in denial.

Is it called denial if we honestly don't agree with you?

No, then it simply is a matter of you all being wrong - which may be caused by being in denial.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/24/2010 5:53:32 PM

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Holy fuck Rule...you are certifiable...not one of your causal steps is based on reality.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/24/2010 6:00:29 PM

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Yep, it's been all pointed out to no avail.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/24/2010 6:15:16 PM

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Additionally, do you suppose shortening the length of the dick is what leads to elongating the nose?

It has been discovered perhaps a dozen or two dozen years ago that the airflow through the nose cools the brain. My hypothesis is that natural selection in the Semitic peoples who live in hot and arid desert environments for that reason caused the evolution of a larger nose, as that would increase the airflow and therefore the cooling of the brain.

The subsequent question of course is why such a large nose did not evolve in even hotter tropical climates. I know scarcely anything about tropical noses, but disregarding that, my hypothesis is that because tropical environments are usually not arid environments, less moisture would evaporate from the nasal passages and therefore less cooling of the brain occur. In that case there would be scarcely an evolutionary advantage to evolve a larger nose.

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Perhaps in a Lamarckian fashion it is a genetic compensation for a little snip of foreskin. I wonder about it only because we are told it leads to a whole raft of inherited diseases which according to Rule are a sign that his vengeful god is offended and demands death of the blasphemers although elsewhere we were told he cannot intervene in this universe. Very confusing.

I gather that you are of the opinion that populations with a high incidence of inherited diseases are blessed? If you think like that, I entirely do comprehend why you are confused.

I talk science to them who understand science. I translate into the religious talk for them as do not understand science, but only religion. One might say that I am bilingual.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/24/2010 6:18:30 PM

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I am really impressed with the mental health facilities in the Netherlands, they seem to be very generous in their allowance of online time for patients.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/24/2010 6:21:14 PM

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I have held down children for immunization shots... according to your theory, we should stop those.

Indeed, I agree.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/24/2010 6:22:29 PM

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No, what you do is talk down to everyone, make no damn sense whatsoever, and insist that those who do not agree with you are intellectually challenged. You might also discover, on your google searches, that yawning cools the brain more so than nose size.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/24/2010 6:23:41 PM

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I have held down children for immunization shots... according to your theory, we should stop those.

Indeed, I agree.

Again, i challenge you to start a thread on this topic. I wont derail others.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/24/2010 6:58:40 PM

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i know 2 who had it done as adults, and man do they bitch about how horrible the recovery was.

Hear hear! One of my good friends had it done as an adult (he served in Iraq and was having issues with sand and infections), and he told me that the recovery was horrid, particularly due to his size. He spent most of said recovery bitching that his mother hadn't had him circumcised when he was born. Oh, and for the record, after the recovery he said that he was quite pleased because the slight loss of sensitivity meant that he could go longer before "takeoff".

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/24/2010 7:07:15 PM

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I talk science to them who understand science. I translate into the religious talk for them as do not understand science, but only religion. One might say that I am bilingual.

Good thing I am tri-lingual. I speak English to those that understand English, Russian to them who speak Russian, and luckily for you I am fluent in gibberish for those that speak douchebag.

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People without a conscience require laws to manage their behavior - and Jews and Muslims obsessively clinging to their religious Laws in my opinion confirms such a lack of conscience in many of the individuals in their populations.

Well thank G-d for that. Cause you know that if I had a conscience it would so get in the way of me calling you a jackass, you tool.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/24/2010 7:11:36 PM

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It has been discovered perhaps a dozen or two dozen years ago that the airflow through the nose cools the brain. My hypothesis is that natural selection in the Semitic peoples who live in hot and arid desert environments for that reason caused the evolution of a larger nose, as that would increase the airflow and therefore the cooling of the brain

Welllll alrighty there's a nice piece of racist bullshit. Don't suppose you can back that up, huh?

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