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leadership527 -> RE: Do any of you Dominants have a desire to make your submissive more dominant? (5/22/2010 1:42:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious
I didn't say you were mentally ill (I leave that to the OP). I said you were PERVERTED AND WRONG.
Hey hey now. I'm collarme's token vanilla guy. I think I ought to be the arbiter of what is and is not perverted. And frankly, you're all perverted to me.

That being said, I like chocolate cake with coffee icing. Which really calls into question the whole vanilla thing when I think about it.




VaguelyCurious -> RE: Do any of you Dominants have a desire to make your submissive more dominant? (5/22/2010 1:47:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious
I didn't say you were mentally ill (I leave that to the OP). I said you were PERVERTED AND WRONG.
Hey hey now. I'm collarme's token vanilla guy. I think I ought to be the arbiter of what is and is not perverted. And frankly, you're all perverted to me.
You may well be the Token Vanilla Guy. But are you the Official Arbiter of Perversion? I did not think so, because guess what? I AM.

So hush, Mr Tasty Cake Flavour :P






catize -> RE: Do any of you Dominants have a desire to make your submissive more dominant? (5/22/2010 1:53:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

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you can't provide therapy to a person you are in a relationship with

Absolutely wrong! There are numerous real life examples of people benefiting enormously from a relationship, benefits include solving many mental-health and other issues.
There are also numerous books and movies in which this situation is finely described.



Here is the flaw in your premise: If it is true that submissives are 'quite often' unable to assert themselves, have low self-esteem, and generally are not emotionally healthy, then once you have cured them (Hollywood style, as we all know movies are more real than life itself) they will no longer be submissive to anyone, including you, because they no longer have those ISSUES that made them want to submit in the first place.




lally2 -> RE: Do any of you Dominants have a desire to make your submissive more dominant? (5/22/2010 2:06:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: laurell3


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ORIGINAL: lally2

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

LOLOL

lally you're pretty snarky for a poor wittle sub with no self-confidence....did you slip again?


when it comes to cake i can become unreasonable - i think the sad fact is i need a damn good spanking [8D] (and another piece of cake) [:)]
 
sigh) which makes VC's observation correct of course and therefore negates any need for an apology accompanied by chocolate cake - you see how my low self esteem has deprived me yet again from enjoying myself - [&o] - cake is my one small pleasure in life, i dont ask for much, chained to this miserable existance - let them eat cake - who said that - a wonderful man with clarity of insight into the workings of a submissives mind.


Um...I do believe that was a rather large and angry woman that was chopping people's heads off.....



momentarily dazzled by the thought of chocolate cake with coffee frosting i nevertheless absorbed the shock of a woman uttering these immortal words)) - marie antoinette no less - meh! - i prefer my version - big strong kink, i mean king astride his charger as it rears up against a war torn land and announces to his victorious army 'LET THEM EAT CAKE' - as a sort of thank you thing.

some small overly privilidged bint in france - nope, doesnt do it for me at all.




laurell3 -> RE: Do any of you Dominants have a desire to make your submissive more dominant? (5/22/2010 2:07:19 PM)

not to mention the whole taking advantage of the people you see as mentally ill and fucking them thing....


Jeff, you passed vanilla a longass time ago.....just saying....




VaguelyCurious -> RE: Do any of you Dominants have a desire to make your submissive more dominant? (5/22/2010 2:12:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

longass
The English language is weeping salty salty tears at your use of this abomination of a word.

Please do not make my beautiful language cry. It is a temporary personification; it hasn't had time to develop the thick skin necessary to cope with such abuse.

:P




leadership527 -> RE: Do any of you Dominants have a desire to make your submissive more dominant? (5/22/2010 2:14:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: laurell3
Jeff, you passed vanilla a longass time ago.....just saying....

Wait wait... I thought VC was the Official Arbiter of Perversion. I'm confused now.

Actually, there are those who would say that D/s alone isn't BDSM. I honestly don't give a rats ass anymore, I just like posting here. Besides, claiming to be vanilla on a BDSM site is soooo counter-culture *laughs*




laurell3 -> RE: Do any of you Dominants have a desire to make your submissive more dominant? (5/22/2010 2:26:54 PM)

Like being an anteater, telling the doms to do my laundry, talking about cake and tarn washing? yeah I get it. I was kidding around.

In VC's odd little "nonyank" world, perversion isn't about kink...yeah I know...she's off...but adorable...humor her.....




BlkTXDom2004 -> RE: Do any of you Dominants have a desire to make your submissive more dominant? (5/22/2010 2:30:25 PM)

Dominants desiring to make a submissive more dominant? I may sound like an "Oxymoron," but I recently chose a submissive woman and she WISHES to be Dominant towards other women. (Which is fine...as The Bible states that it should be 'One man and one woman.')




VaguelyCurious -> RE: Do any of you Dominants have a desire to make your submissive more dominant? (5/22/2010 2:34:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

In VC's odd little "nonyank" world, perversion isn't about kink...yeah I know...she's off...but adorable...humor her.....
Kink isn't perverted-kink is perfectly rational! To pervert something is to twist it; per vert=turn away/through.

You know what's twisted? NOT LIKING COCONUT.

[:D]




laurell3 -> RE: Do any of you Dominants have a desire to make your submissive more dominant? (5/22/2010 2:43:58 PM)

I like the way it smells...hmmm suntan oil.....but the consistency make me want to barf. Ok I don't HATE it, I hate eating it.




jbcurious -> RE: Do any of you Dominants have a desire to make your submissive more dominant? (5/22/2010 4:21:28 PM)

I go away for a few hours and what do I come back to???? Cake mayhem!!!!!

While I don't normaly indulge in cake myself... I felt obligated to have a bite for each of you. The rich dark, chocolaty devils food cake was lightened by fresh cream and raspberries in the center with thick lashings of creamcheese frosting... damn I give good *cough, cough* make good cake. [:)]




Andalusite -> RE: Do any of you Dominants have a desire to make your submissive more dominant? (5/22/2010 4:39:10 PM)

I'm a switch, and have been in relationships in which I both topped and bottomed to the same person. So far, I have not reacted with both dominance and submission toward the same person. If I topped someone when they asked me to, I wouldn't consider it to be domination, even if I were allowed to choose the activities. If I were ordered to make dinner, I'd still be obeying, whether he dictated the recipe to me step by step, or told me to decide what to make. Unless I actively feel a dominant mindset and emotions toward someone, I don't consider topping them to be dominance, whether or not I'm free to be creative or take the initiative. My fem-sub playpartner performs acts of service when she can, and I respond to her with dominance, and she reacts to me with vulnerability and submission. Since we are not in a romantic relationship, I don't call her my submissive. If she didn't do things to serve me, or if I didn't have that headspace and emotional response to her, I wouldn't consider it to be domination at all, just topping. Even if I had the same degree of freedom in choosing what activities to do, I wouldn't truly have dominion or power over her.

I disagree with your premise that submission is correlated to low self-esteem. Of course, some submissives do struggle in that area, but I agree with the other posters that it isn't any more common than in the general population. The whole "worthless" thing is generally hot/fantasy talk, from people who enjoy humiliation play.

In any case, it seems incredibly arrogant of you to attempt to "advise" people who have far more experience with D/s than you do. You said that you don't have any experience yet with it at all, then you talk about what you've had your submissive do. I assume the sub in question is strictly hypothetical?




lally2 -> RE: Do any of you Dominants have a desire to make your submissive more dominant? (5/22/2010 4:40:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jbcurious

I go away for a few hours and what do I come back to???? Cake mayhem!!!!!

While I don't normaly indulge in cake myself... I felt obligated to have a bite for each of you. The rich dark, chocolaty devils food cake was lightened by fresh cream and raspberries in the center with thick lashings of creamcheese frosting... damn I give good *cough, cough* make good cake. [:)]


- here i am with no cake because DesFip ran off with mine and laurell wont share even though she hates coconut  - and now this - i am now forced to go and buy a cake tomorrow and it will go straight to my arse and hips - im a sub, i cant be expected to have high enough self esteem to steer myself clear of the cake department at waitrose -




jbcurious -> RE: Do any of you Dominants have a desire to make your submissive more dominant? (5/22/2010 4:47:27 PM)

butt...butt... Lally, i did the ultimsre in submissive gestures for you tonight by taking an extra big bite for you...you've vicariously induled in cake through me and now my ass will bare the burden... damn, i feel so subby. [:)]




lally2 -> RE: Do any of you Dominants have a desire to make your submissive more dominant? (5/22/2010 5:05:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jbcurious

butt...butt... Lally, i did the ultimsre in submissive gestures for you tonight by taking an extra big bite for you...you've vicariously induled in cake through me and now my ass will bare the burden... damn, i feel so subby. [:)]


well, ok, ill forgive  you - in fact i shall return the favour tomorrow - now the only thing to decide is what cake - hmmmm - i shall go to bed pondering on this enormous decision in no small detail - can thinking about cake make you fat - i know thinking about chocolate can [:D]




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