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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

What you fail to understand is that each country is entitled to have their own immigration policies and procedures. no one has a right to undermine that. Using the excuse that they cannot obtain it legally, so they are here illegally, is a bunch of bull. Its like justifying robbing a 7/11 because that store would not hire you.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

What you fail to understand is that each country is entitled to have their own immigration policies and procedures. no one has a right to undermine that. Using the excuse that they cannot obtain it legally, so they are here illegally, is a bunch of bull. Its like justifying robbing a 7/11 because that store would not hire you.

Immigration violations are not criminal acts, please do not use criminal references like robbery, assault, or theft. Immigration violations are regulatory offenses like housing code violations, parking offenses, and zoning laws.

Next, you want to blame the people involved in the immigration situation, but you show no proclivity to actually solving the problem and getting it under control. You show no understanding, whatsoever, of why things are happening and what the actual consequences are -- other than you don't like it and people are not in compliance with the regulations.

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Cloudboy, that being the case we need to make it a felony to be in the country illegally on a local, state and federal level.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Cloudboy, that being the case we need to make it a felony to be in the country illegally on a local, state and federal level.

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Coountries have a long history of "stealing" from each other. From middle ages to present day, and long before.


Clearly you do not feel that the u.s. is special in the history of the world.
Clearly you approve of armed robbery as long as you are the benificiary.
You must be estatic over the current adventure in armed robbery in the sand box.
Do you have any other countries you would like the u.s. to go rob?

Theives? They steal across the boarder to come to a country that they demand accept them on their own terms, and im not supposed to see them as theives?

They demand to be accepted on their own terms????how so???

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Cloudboy, that being the case we need to make it a felony to be in the country illegally on a local, state and federal level.

That would satisfy your hatred of mexicans but it would not solve the problem. Arresting the employers ,which is a felony, would dry up the employment and the illegals would go home.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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There are some 3.1 million United States citizen children with at least one illegal immigrant parent as of 2005; At least 13,000 American children had one or both parents deported in the years 2005-2007.[12][13]

These numbers speak for themselves.

3.1 million children with at least one illegal parent.

That would be the total as of 2005.

13000 children have had one or both parents depeorted.

That would be the total for the two years listed 2005-2007.

Leaves a whole lot of parents left in the US living here on the back of their US citizen child.

Not only is your reading comprehension faulty so is your math.
How are they living on the back of their u.s. citizen child. They would be illegal and subject to deportation?

I never said the parents could or would become citizens. I said they lived here because their children have the right to live here as US citizens.

They do not live here legally is the point that you seem to keep missing. The child does not give them any legal status.

I have posted proof that welfare is available to these families.

No you have not. What you posted was that the citizen child can get welfare. What you posted about how much welfare the citizen child got was a lie. When called on your lie you responded that you "misread" your own proof. No apology cuz as you say you do not apologize even when you lie and get caught in it.

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They do not live here legally is the point that you seem to keep missing. The child does not give them any legal status.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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There are some 3.1 million United States citizen children with at least one illegal immigrant parent as of 2005; At least 13,000 American children had one or both parents deported in the years 2005-2007.[12][13]

These numbers speak for themselves.

3.1 million children with at least one illegal parent.

That would be the total as of 2005.

13000 children have had one or both parents depeorted.

That would be the total for the two years listed 2005-2007.

Leaves a whole lot of parents left in the US living here on the back of their US citizen child.

Not only is your reading comprehension faulty so is your math.
How are they living on the back of their u.s. citizen child. They would be illegal and subject to deportation?

I never said the parents could or would become citizens. I said they lived here because their children have the right to live here as US citizens.

They do not live here legally is the point that you seem to keep missing. The child does not give them any legal status.

I have posted proof that welfare is available to these families.

No you have not. What you posted was that the citizen child can get welfare. What you posted about how much welfare the citizen child got was a lie. When called on your lie you responded that you "misread" your own proof. No apology cuz as you say you do not apologize even when you lie and get caught in it.

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They do not live here legally is the point that you seem to keep missing. The child does not give them any legal status.

What do you imagine would be the response if american citizens were being deported? You cannot deport an american citizen. Therefore, these children cannot be deported. Since they cannot be deported, but they are minors, who is going to take care of them?

Now we come to the issue of custody. You cannot break the ties of parent/child without good cause. Being an illegal immigrant is not a good cause.

Do i really need to point out the fact that if a child is a citizen, it requires an adult to take care of them and declaring an illegal immigrant an unfit parent without cause beyond being illegal is why so many ARE ABLE to stay?

THAT is what i mean by living on the backs of their citizen children.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Some will have you to believe its only mexican illegal immigrants who do this. Its not. I posted a link by ABC that shows how Turkish women used an american hotel to have us born children.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/birth-tourism-industry-markets-us-citizenship-abroad/story?id=10359956&page=1

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In that case, give the US back to the natives. This IS stolen land. All of it. Is this really an argument you wish to entertain?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Cloudboy, that being the case we need to make it a felony to be in the country illegally on a local, state and federal level.

That would satisfy your hatred of mexicans but it would not solve the problem. Arresting the employers ,which is a felony, would dry up the employment and the illegals would go home.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Show me one post where it is said that employers should NOT be held responsible. In fact, i have stated they should be with both fines and jail terms. Your argument here has no standing.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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There are some 3.1 million United States citizen children with at least one illegal immigrant parent as of 2005; At least 13,000 American children had one or both parents deported in the years 2005-2007.[12][13]

These numbers speak for themselves.

3.1 million children with at least one illegal parent.

That would be the total as of 2005.

13000 children have had one or both parents depeorted.

That would be the total for the two years listed 2005-2007.

Leaves a whole lot of parents left in the US living here on the back of their US citizen child.

Not only is your reading comprehension faulty so is your math.
How are they living on the back of their u.s. citizen child. They would be illegal and subject to deportation?

I never said the parents could or would become citizens. I said they lived here because their children have the right to live here as US citizens.

They do not live here legally is the point that you seem to keep missing. The child does not give them any legal status.

I have posted proof that welfare is available to these families.

No you have not. What you posted was that the citizen child can get welfare. What you posted about how much welfare the citizen child got was a lie. When called on your lie you responded that you "misread" your own proof. No apology cuz as you say you do not apologize even when you lie and get caught in it.

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They do not live here legally is the point that you seem to keep missing. The child does not give them any legal status.

What do you imagine would be the response if american citizens were being deported? You cannot deport an american citizen. Therefore, these children cannot be deported. Since they cannot be deported, but they are minors, who is going to take care of them?

You really need to learn to read.
The children are not deported. The illegal alien parent is deported.


Now we come to the issue of custody. You cannot break the ties of parent/child without good cause. Being an illegal immigrant is not a good cause.


Illegal alien parents of legal u.s. citizens are deported all the time.

Do i really need to point out the fact that if a child is a citizen, it requires an adult to take care of them and declaring an illegal immigrant an unfit parent without cause beyond being illegal is why so many ARE ABLE to stay?

Your own cite,shown above shows that 13,000 children had one or both parents deported in the two year periond of 2005/07.



THAT is what i mean by living on the backs of their citizen children.

Those who are deported don't.

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And the obvious, sensible answer is to end our nonsensical (according to not me but most if not all of the other nations on the planet) practice of birthright citizenship.

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ORIGINAL: catfightservice

I think all imigrants, legal and illegal, and their decendants, should go back to their country of origin.

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In that case, give the US back to the natives. This IS stolen land. All of it. Is this really an argument you wish to entertain?

The native americans whom I have spoken with would settle for the u.s. simply honoring the treaties that they signed.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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In that case, give the US back to the natives. This IS stolen land. All of it. Is this really an argument you wish to entertain?

The native americans whom I have spoken with would settle for the u.s. simply honoring the treaties that they signed.

And who was that, Ward "TONTO" Churchill?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Cloudboy, that being the case we need to make it a felony to be in the country illegally on a local, state and federal level.

That would satisfy your hatred of mexicans but it would not solve the problem. Arresting the employers ,which is a felony, would dry up the employment and the illegals would go home.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Show me one post where it is said that employers should NOT be held responsible. In fact, i have stated they should be with both fines and jail terms. Your argument here has no standing.

Those links that you constantly provide to people whom you think have reading comprehension problems...you might avail yourself of them.
The post you quote was clearly sent to popeye not you.
Unless you are popeye in drag why would you accuse me of this?

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And the obvious, sensible answer is to end our nonsensical (according to not me but most if not all of the other nations on the planet) practice of birthright citizenship.

Perhaps you could contact your congressman/woman and see about getting the law changed...until then it is legal and you are going to have to live with just like all of the other laws you may not like or approve of.