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thornhappy -> RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship (5/24/2010 5:56:47 PM)
The kids get the benefits, not her. They'd get even more if she was eligible. quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Children born in the US are US citizens. Next question? What do you want to do, create a ghetto? Nope, i want to stop the process of automatic citizenship based simply upon walking across the boarder and dropping a baby.

tazzygirl -> RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship (5/24/2010 5:59:34 PM)
Thats what is being argued about. She is getting the benefits through the kids. 4 out of 5 children. The first was not american born. The 4 are on welfare. Now, have any doubts who cashes or spends those checks?

thompsonx -> RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship (5/24/2010 9:40:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Thats what is being argued about. She is getting the benefits through the kids. 4 out of 5 children. The first was not american born. The 4 are on welfare. Now, have any doubts who cashes or spends those checks? You mean she actually cashes a $650 check each month and pays the rent and buys the groceries and clothes...I mean in addition to the $500 in food stamps. Six people livin' large on the taxpayers dime at $1150 a month...[8\|] Who would not stand in line for that kind of money?

tazzygirl -> RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship (5/24/2010 9:41:15 PM)
650 for each child... plus 500 food stamps. Your math is a bit off. And you forgot about the transitional housing, which often offers free or low income housing. So dont go counting all of that 2600 in cash towards rent and utilities. Depending on the program, she may not have much of either.

Lucylastic -> RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship (5/24/2010 9:43:55 PM)
Theres no family limits??? even here we have limits on the amount you can claim no matter the size of the family..

thompsonx -> RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship (5/24/2010 9:51:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl 650 for each child... plus 500 food stamps. Your math is a bit off. The article you cited says: Four of her five children are citizens and receive a total of about $650 each month from the state's CalWorks program. She also receives about $500 in federal food stamps and other vouchers. My math is spot on...perhaps you should utilize the link you like to post for sylvan since you are the one with a reading comprehension problem.

tazzygirl -> RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship (5/24/2010 9:51:45 PM)
Guess not Lucy. Seems this woman may have been abused in her relationship. Could be that her living on welfare is part of the program. But, hell, i would love to get 650 a child simply for being unemployed... and you can bet your ass i wouldnt stop dropping kids of that were the case. We seem to pay for stupid behavior... and having more kids than you can afford without welfare constitutes stupid behavior.

tazzygirl -> RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship (5/24/2010 10:16:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl 650 for each child... plus 500 food stamps. Your math is a bit off. The article you cited says: Four of her five children are citizens and receive a total of about $650 each month from the state's CalWorks program. She also receives about $500 in federal food stamps and other vouchers. My math is spot on...perhaps you should utilize the link you like to post for sylvan since you are the one with a reading comprehension problem. I misread part of that. Im woman enough to own up to my mistakes. Can you say the same? [:D] At the time the article was written, the maximum benefit for CalWorks was For a family of 6 - Region One, Exermpt $1,229 Non exempt$1,101 Region Two, Exempt $1,172 non exempt $1,049 No clue what the exemptions mean. And no link in the web site to indicate. If her cash benefits are that low, there must be some income into the household. I personally feel there should be no cash payments of any kind. Welfare was never supposed to be a way of life, it was supposed to be a hand up. A degree can be earned in two years, a certificate in less than that. I have walked many women through the mine field of federal grants and loans in order to get off welfare and find a new lease in life. I really resent the fact that our government feels the need to pay these parents to stay in this country simply because they crossed the boarder illegally to give birth.

MrRodgers -> RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship (5/24/2010 10:57:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy Maybe this is what is required. And you thought I was off base when I said states may one day secede. There will be no secession. Any state that gets anywhere will stop on a dime, soon as those great 'state-righters' realize they'd be cut off from that luscious Federal tit.

Vendaval -> RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship (5/25/2010 2:50:47 AM)
Hi tazzy, Speaking as a Californian who has worked in the mental health/social services fields. There is no way she would receive $650 per child but rather than amount for all of them. The cash supplements what is not covered by food stamps or subsidized housing items such as; clothing, shoes, books, laundry detergent, personal hygiene products, etc. Here is a link for Cash Assistance Program for Immigrants in Los Angeles County. "To be eligible the person has to be a legal immigrant or refugee." http://dpss.lacounty.gov/dpss/capi/pdf/Q_A_06_05.pdf

tazzygirl -> RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship (5/25/2010 6:03:29 AM)
Vendaval, the program i was referring too is the CalWorks program. The children are the one's signed up. As their legal guardian, the illegal parents has certain rights as well. quote: If approved for assistance, the Silvas will belong to the fastest-growing category of families in the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. Bearing the confusing government label of “non-qualified non-citizens,” this category refers to families with parents who are not U.S. citizens and children who are. Since the recession began in late 2007, the average monthly caseload of these families has grown 96 percent, according to state records. About 4,250 of these families of mixed immigration status were on the program’s rolls in September, making it the second-largest category in TANF, after single-parent households. It is also the only category in the program where parents apply in their children’s name, as opposed to applying in their own. TANF gives monthly checks to the families based on income and the children’s status as citizens and does not require parents to demonstrate that they are in the United States legally http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/oct/27/more-welfare-going-parents-here-illegally/ This link might answer some questions. http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/law-reg/finalrule/aspesum.htm

thompsonx -> RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship (5/25/2010 6:03:54 AM)
quote: I misread part of that. Im woman enough to own up to my mistakes. Can you say the same? An apology usually includes the word sorry. I have outdoor plumbing so it is a little difficult for me to be "woman enough" to do anything. In all of our discussions you have yet to find me to be factually wrong about anything.

tazzygirl -> RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship (5/25/2010 6:16:00 AM)
I dont do appoligies. I do admit when im wrong. You cannot say the same. And yes, many have found you to be wrong on more than one occassion. But its your outdoor plumbing that prevents you for admitting that fact. eh. i didnt expect less.

domiguy -> RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship (5/25/2010 6:18:20 AM)
Some apology. Big difference between 650 per child and 1150 for the month. Your apology should read something like this, quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I am sorry that I am unable to comprehend what was written. $1150 is not very much money to raise a family on. I am an ignorant twat. I will try and do better in the future. After being proven to have been horribly wrong you then proceed to attack all welfare recipients. This has nothing to do with anchor babies but your own intolerance of others.

thompsonx -> RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship (5/25/2010 6:36:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I dont do appoligies. You post an article and say that it says something it does not and you are too proud to apologize. I do admit when im wrong. No you did not admit you were wrong you said you "misread" your own cite, after telling me I cannot do arithmatic. You cannot say the same. And yes, many have found you to be wrong on more than one occassion. So you say but offer no validation.

thompsonx -> RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship (5/25/2010 6:40:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy Some apology. Big difference between 650 per child and 1150 for the month. Your apology should read something like this, quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I am sorry that I am unable to comprehend what was written. $1150 is not very much money to raise a family on. I am an ignorant twat. I will try and do better in the future. After being proven to have been horribly wrong you then proceed to attack all welfare recipients. This has nothing to do with anchor babies but your own intolerance of others. Why are you so intolerant of ignorant twats? Admit it... you are an anchor baby[;)]

tazzygirl -> RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship (5/25/2010 6:40:22 AM)
Nope. As i have pointed out, i helped many a mother find her way through the welfare process to gain a degree. Ah, imagine actually using welfare to benefit the child. [:D] I do have major problems with anchor babies. Mothers coming in with no prenatal care. Babies isolated until evey test is done... all stat... all more costly. Hospital bills picked up on the american dime. Im glad you feel a need to appoligize for me. I dont feel such a need. I will continue to "rip" on such distortions of the welfare system. It was never meant to be a way of life. Yet it has become such. Mother to child. Poverty passed down through generations. Now passed to illegal immigrants If someone wants to be an american citizen, there are steps and procedures. Giving birth on american soil should not be one of them.

subrob1967 -> RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship (5/25/2010 8:06:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy Aren't you scurred living in Indy? My God the population is 25% black....Do you own a bullet for every black? Buy them guns, you scared to death pathetic little man. You couldn't handle living in Chicago. You were pissing in your pants the whole time. Why did you leave again? It was really funny...Say it again. It was sooo lame. Birther. This is funny coming from a racist like yourself, after all you brag about how great Chicago is, how about we ask the black Chicago Firemen how great it is? The Supreme Court thinks it's racist... I used to think you were just an asswipe, but now with your current avatar, plus your signature, it's quite obvious that you hate black people. Which also explains why your previous two avatars was of a dead black rapper. I thought you just had really bad taste in music, but you were really poking fun at the guy for being dead. Racist.

kittinSol -> RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship (5/25/2010 8:11:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Racist. Priceless [sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif].

truckinslave -> RE: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship (5/25/2010 8:37:28 AM)
quote: They never cared about our laws before! Or their own, much, evidently.

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