ThatDamnedPanda
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ORIGINAL: Malkinius
Greetings Panda....
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So you're defending the aggression of Japan and Hitler in World War II? Because what you're advocating is exactly what they did in attacking China, Pearl Harbor, Poland, France, and the Soviet Union. You really approve of that sort of thing, do you?
But, back to your original question. If someone has an honest and valid belief that they are about to be attacked, even if not true, then yes, I will defend their actions. Once again, my ethics work that way. I don't go back and say someone was wrong after the fact because of things they did not and could not know before the fact. Do you? Actually, I know you do from your posts.
It's always more difficult to argue against people who create their own facts, and their own positions against which to argue. And especially frustrating when they use those fictitious facts and positions to insult the person against whom they are arguing. If what you say is true - that my posting history shows me to be someone who would "go back and say someone was wrong after the fact because of things they did not and could not know before the fact" - then it should be relatively simple for you to substantiate this characterization with a few examples. Unless of course you'd prefer to simply apologize now, for your unnecessary and inaccurate personalization of this debate.
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Oh yeah....by the way. Since this was all about oil, where is the oil? Surely we now have a glut of it coming from Iraq and Afghanistan since we took them over. Tanker after tanker sending free oil to the US, right? Where are they? Where is the oil?
Can you find one single person who ever said that the reason the US was invading Iraq was to steal their oil? Literally steal the oil and ship it home to the US? Anyone?
Anyone at all?
No? Didn't think so. So then why are you are trying to disprove an argument that nobody ever made? What is the point of making strawman arguments?
Actually, I thought Mikey had said that when I wrote it. I went back and checked. I couldn't find it. However, are you going to tell me you have never heard that claim? Never seen the ads or billboards? Never said it yourself? Can you really do all that truthfully? Maybe the last point. But it is the usual claim that gets made about US involvement in the Middle East. Do you deny that?
Yes. I do. I absolutely do. You assert that "the usual claim" is that the reason the United States invaded Iraq was to literally steal their oil, and ship the free oil home to the US. I say that's bullshit, and I call on you again to substantiate your assertion. Or admit you spoke rashly - whichever you think would reflect better on you.
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ORIGINAL: Malkinius
Therefore I thank you for being what you are. You are very good at helping other people understand what not to be.
Thank you. I hope you're right. Perhaps, with a little bit of luck, I will have helped you, too, understand what it would take for you to be a better man.
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Panda, panda, burning bright
In the forest of the night
What immortal hand or eye
Made you all black and white and roly-poly like that?
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