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Bobanna -> Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/21/2010 10:15:11 PM)

Hello, I have a question that I was curious about that came up when reading journal entries tonight.  It was posted by a Male Dominant that was stating that he is searching for a dehuminized slave.  When I questioned him about this type of slave, I asked him what dehuminization meant to him.  He replied someone who is an object or thing, someone who is a dog, a bitch that eats and drinks out of a bowl and goes into a cage when not needed. 
What type of person (woman) is stimulated by this on a continuing basis? And also what could make someone this way, where their need for stimuli is almost zilch?  An absence from learning and growing? A continual lack of emotion or affection not wanted or needed by both parties?   I asked him also, how long do relationships like this last, and he told me I was stupid and that I had a lot to learn.  So here I am, wanting to learn ...and imput is highly wanted here, because I don't understand any of it.  Thanks, Bo ~



DarkSteven -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/21/2010 10:22:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bobanna

Hello, I have a question that I was curious about that came up when reading journal entries tonight.  It was posted by a Male Dominant that was stating that he is searching for a dehuminized slave.  When I questioned him about this type of slave, I asked him what dehuminization meant to him.  He replied someone who is an object or thing, someone who is a dog, a bitch that eats and drinks out of a bowl and goes into a cage when not needed. 
What type of person (woman) is stimulated by this on a continuing basis? And also what could make someone this way, where their need for stimuli is almost zilch?  An absence from learning and growing? A continual lack of emotion or affection not wanted or needed by both parties?   I asked him also, how long do relationships like this last, and he told me I was stupid and that I had a lot to learn.  So here I am, wanting to learn ...and imput is highly wanted here, because I don't understand any of it.  Thanks, Bo ~


ROFL.  When you ask an honest question and receive a response like that, it signifies someone who isn't worth your time.  He's a wanker and has some fantasy that he will get a caged slave with no effort on his part.

As your questions indicate, objectification isn't for everyone.

Here's a thread about caging in real life: http://www.collarchat.com/m_2336091/mpage_1/tm.htm



AnimusRex -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/21/2010 11:19:52 PM)

I have actually run across many profiles from women seeking just that- "de-humanize me, make me an IT, turn me into a beast, and animal, a worthless thing" yadda yadd in that vein.

I think for many people it is a wild turnon, a delicious erotic fantasy. I am not sure it lends itself to a long term relationship- I really think it would get boring as hell- for both parties- after a short time. As most fantasies tend to do.



BabieGothika -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/22/2010 12:03:49 AM)

Well, in my particular case, TheMaster treats me like an object sometimes and put me in a cage for punihsment, but for a couple of hours. I like that but He dont treats me like a puppy all the time, i dont want to be an object or an animal, im a human been and no one and nothing is going to change that never.
    He treats me like a woman too, i know than im with Him to pleases Him and trust me He says than im the most devoted and obedient slave than He never had but becuase He deserves that for the way He is with me, He has erarned my trust and love.
    Somebody in a cage or a Dungeon the whole day, bullshit,that is so boring! i dont think so[;)][;)][;)][;)][;)][;)][;)][;)][;)][;)][;)][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|]



warlock1935 -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/22/2010 2:47:01 AM)

DarkSteven is right - replying like that to an intelligent question just shows that he's insecure and probably not knowledgeable. As for your question, you can ask submissives, but you'll probably never really understand how they feel. That's because you don't have those feelings; you're a Dom. I've been enslaving girls for a heck of a long time, and I know what turns girls on, but I often don't know WHY they get turned on by it.
Remember, women don't think and feel like men do. And submissive women sure as hell don't think and feel like Doms do. Just try to find what works and enjoy them as the wonderful, mysterious people they are :-)



LillyoftheVally -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/22/2010 3:00:04 AM)

Some submissives (regardless of sex) like this element of BDSM, one of my best friends desired to be chained to a table when not in use, in practice though she found it was impractical as a constant thing but got a lot out of it while it occurred.

Relationships that contain this element can last as long as any relationship, as to why people like it, I think it is down to the individual, why do some people like eating curry that burns the first layer of skin off their tongue, I will never understand that because it doesn't appeal to me. I can understand the dehumanisation to an extent, it is freeing, not having to think about anything simply do its can be a pressure valve of course that is just my understanding



Bobanna -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/22/2010 3:11:23 AM)

Well just to clarify, I am a female sub and not a Dom ..and being a woman, doenst mean Im going to understand or relate to being treated as non human on a contiuing on going basis ... I mean does this kind of relationship work long term and day to day?   I think it could be a bi gender question as well.  Im sure there are male subs that want to be objectified as well.  My questions remain, not so much on the Dom himself for giving me a thoughtless and easy answer as much as what would someone see valuble, productive and what needs are beeing filled in a non bonding relationship? Being caged with no stimuli to basically look at the walls, except when in use?  I have been seeing it a lot, not just with this one journal post. 



GraciousLady -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/22/2010 5:05:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Bobanna

Well just to clarify, I am a female sub and not a Dom ..and being a woman, doenst mean Im going to understand or relate to being treated as non human on a contiuing on going basis ... I mean does this kind of relationship work long term and day to day?   I think it could be a bi gender question as well.  Im sure there are male subs that want to be objectified as well.  My questions remain, not so much on the Dom himself for giving me a thoughtless and easy answer as much as what would someone see valuble, productive and what needs are beeing filled in a non bonding relationship? Being caged with no stimuli to basically look at the walls, except when in use?  I have been seeing it a lot, not just with this one journal post. 


It is not physically, mentally or emotionally healthy to cage any thinking creature. Their make up is such they need to move and think. To be denied stimulaton would make them unhealthy. When you see people say they want to cage people or be caged in some sterile enviorment when not in use you are seeing people with an unrealistic fantasy. And, it is likely when someone says they are being caged or caging people for long periods of time that is also fantasy. As BabieGothia said, her master cages her for a couple of hours but that is all. That is more normal as is caging someone for sleep time. I'm sure people can safely be caged on rare occasions for longer periods of time but long term, extended caging is just not a reality.



lally2 -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/22/2010 5:54:56 AM)

the way i see it the whole thing would be the antithesis of what he says he wants because it would be a high maintenance situation.  he would need to ensure she is warm, fed, watered able to be let out to go to the loo, let out for exercise, let out to wash, clean teeth, if female her period would make the daily routine even more continuous - far more work than having a submissive able to take care of those things for themself.

but you asked the question how long can such a relationship last - well, looking at it from a pragmatic stance alone, not very long.  joints, muscles, circulation need to keep moving.  kept in a cage where you are unable to stand or stretch out at all would inevitably cause health issues in the long term.  for a younger person it might not cause an immediate problem, but for an older person it would.  lack of exercise, fresh air and just the mental stimulation of a normal day would take its toll.

on some level im sure its possible and even practiced, but the guy you were talking to sounds like an idiot.  who'd want to be caged by an idiot - nothing that he has said suggests to me that he would have any respect or care for the 'it' in his cage
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lobodomslavery -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/22/2010 5:57:15 AM)

i am a worthless human being
kevin



DesFIP -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/22/2010 6:34:01 AM)

Being objectified for a time can be very relaxing. Nothing to do, but sleep or stay in position while he uses you as a footstool. Many people find it a meditative experience to not have to constantly be doing things.

But it is obviously unrealistic to assume someone could spend 20 hours a day in a cage. Who would do the cooking, the cleaning, go to work? What about taking a shower, needing to use the toilet, calling to wish your mother happy birthday? When you see something like this that can't possible be done then you know that the person posting it has no experience and is telling you a fantasy he got from watching porn. And porn is fiction, you don't seek to emulate it. It's staged, not real.



January -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/22/2010 6:37:55 AM)

Hi anna,

Your "question" about objectification is couched in a lot of judgment. If you have a question, ask it. Don't add side comments, sneering at the very idea of some style of interaction. And please don't pretend you really want "input", when all you really want is confirmation.

If you have a rant, rant. It's perfectly acceptable. Just say that's what it is.

By the way, coming to the boards is a good idea. Most of the folks here are down to earth and wise (though not homogeneous). Reading journals and profiles might be entertaining, but what's written is often fantasy.

January



kuppykake -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/22/2010 9:05:46 AM)

It is easy to fantasize being "put away" when not in use.  The though has crossed my mind.  However, I also must think realistically.  I am WAY too adhd and attention hungry to just be used when needed then put aside the rest of the time.  I like being needed or wanted all the time.  This guy sounds extremely ignorant.  I don't believe any slave could live that way unless they were literally insane already, because a situation like that would be highly unhealthy psychologically.   This is a fantasy which, in my opinion is potentially dangerous, if not physically and/or emotionally impossible.



Bobanna -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/22/2010 10:14:53 AM)

Thank you to all your replies.  To clerify, I am not mocking the objectification fetish at all, not even close.  I am totally ignorant of  how, why, what and where this type of interaction is about !  So I came looking for answers from people that may have practiced or have knowledge about it.  The only dumb question is the question not asked.   I am simply curious about it (because I'm a curious person and want answers instead of sitting around assuming or going duh ) and would like to learn why people are drawn to it & how it is practiced in realistic terms.  Obviously it works somewhere, somehow.  The answers that I am getting are clarifying the real vs. fantasy.  I wasn't even sure that the hard line veiws of this type of play were really practiced and were able to be substained for long periods because MANY profiles I read seem to be searching for hard core objectification, with no fluff intended to soften the harshness that it suggests and seems to want!   So far what I am gathering that that type is mostly a fantasy (for long term usage that is)... correct?



DarkSteven -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/22/2010 10:27:28 AM)

Bobanna, MOST types on cm are fantasists.  The folks on the collarme personals site have lots of wankers and pretenders.  Most of the posters here are legit (many of them have current partners and practice this stuff), but the personals site is another world.



DesFIP -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/22/2010 12:24:24 PM)

Not necessarily. The hard core profiles asking for this may be wanting just when scening. He/she may have a primary partner who isn't very sadistic. They may neither want nor need love and care from the play partner. Saying you want this once a week for six hours just didn't seem to them to be something that would attract any attention or responses.



Malkinius -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/22/2010 12:56:19 PM)

Greetings Bobanna....

I am going to take a different tack on this than most have. You did as a reasonable question and he gave you what, for him, was a reasonable answer. I agree with what he said except for the stupid part. You do have a lot to learn and as others have said, coming here to ask questions is a good way to learn. One warning tho, some of the posters here have a lot to learn as well....and I include myself in the always new things to learn category. You will also find many posters here who think their way of doing things is the only way things should be done. I am somewhat guilty of that myself but don't assume there is one true way to do most things. Note...most. <grins>

Many of the profiles that claim to want full time caging are, as has been pointed out, people expressing their fantasies. Right now, most of them are probably scammers rather than real people with fantasies. When you see a profile with a laundry list of extreme things and bad English, expect the poster to be in an internet cafe or back room in Africa or Eastern Europe. It is a stolen picture(s) and fake profile.

I have heard (personal story with no proof except the person's word) of a woman who was kept caged that way for more than a month. At best she was out of her cage an hour or two a day at the most and no, not for eating or the toilet, but for work, clean-up or sex. A previous poster is right that having a slave that way means the owner is in effect serving the slave to care for and protect them. It is much easier for the slave to just do many things for herself and not bother her owner about them. Yes, it is a fantasy of many and it does happen with some. Mostly it is for play or punishment and only for a few hours at a time. There are a number of slaves who routinely spend the night sleeping in a cage. I will note that not all cages are too small to stretch out in. If you can sleep curled up you would be fine for a night and yes, your body can get used to doing that. There are a lot of people who have done a lot of strange things with their property and this is not the strangest by far.

Now, if the guy wants all his work done for him, that is a whole 'nother story. That is mostly lazy or I hope someone rich enough to pay to have someone train the slave and then turn her over to him. I suppose there are a few who are available who have already been trained that way, but I will bet that most of the profiles that claim it are fakes.

I know...long answer to short question, but that is me. <grins>

Be well....

Malkinius

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SimplyMichael -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/22/2010 1:00:46 PM)

Some people feel so small, so powerless that they can only feel a sense of power when around someone even more worthless than they are.

Its not the act, its the motivation for doing it. If you like being stuck in a cage, it makes you all hot and bothered and when you go to work the next day you are all smiles and sunshine, then its probably a good thing. If you go to work thinking "I am a worthless fuckpig" and you genuinely feel worthless, then not so much.



Lucienne -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/22/2010 3:59:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: January

Hi anna,

Your "question" about objectification is couched in a lot of judgment. If you have a question, ask it. Don't add side comments, sneering at the very idea of some style of interaction. And please don't pretend you really want "input", when all you really want is confirmation.

If you have a rant, rant. It's perfectly acceptable. Just say that's what it is.



I thought her tone and phrasing were fine. And I'm not sure people should be encouraged to rant. It's entirely possible to read something and think "that's fucked up and I want no part of it" and still wonder how it works for others.



porcelaine -> RE: Looking for answers about dehuminized subs/slaves (5/22/2010 6:06:26 PM)

Bobanna,

I'll answer your question. I understand the mentality and I've conversed with men desiring that. So here goes.

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It was posted by a Male Dominant that was stating that he is searching for a dehuminized slave.


Get rid of the word. Look at your coat. You own it. It's your property. That's what he wants. Most people don't come that way out of the box. He has to find someone pliable that he can take to that place.

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He replied someone who is an object or thing, someone who is a dog, a bitch that eats and drinks out of a bowl and goes into a cage when not needed.


Different terms are used but they're all pointing back to the same thing. She's been stripped of the things you'd generally associate with a well adjusted human. I say the latter because most believe a sane person wouldn't choose that path. Now allow me to elaborate a bit more.

There's a process involved. No one gets there overnight unless they grew up in some very compromised circumstances. The sort that make headlines or talk shows. For most of us that isn't the case, family dysfunction notwithstanding. She's usually isolated which means he needs time away from his daily routine to put this in play. The assumptions about attending to her are correct, but this is what is missing. Those needs are at the forefront when the reshaping begins, but by the time he's done she's well adjusted and content with the existence she's come to know. It feels normal.

Let's talk about the associations, the supposed norms we want and our cravings and such. If you've ever been a parent or owned a pet you realize you can influence these things. Especially if their desires don't coincide with your wishes. She's a ball of clay that he molds according to his preferences. Her malleability was established early on. That doesn't mean there's zero resistance. Quite the contrary. He plans for that and the protocol is reinforced in a manner where disobedience is not the desired outcome. It doesn't mean he beats the crap out of her. A lot of this is mental/emotional. That's a better route.

If this is a 24/7 situation that he plans to carryout over a significant period of time it can be very intense. The reprogramming and continued isolation will eventually take a toll. Defenses break down. There's no outlet in sight. Fighting against the regime takes more energy than compliance. He's her only human companion unless he's involved others. They could be observers or tormentors depending on his preferences. Yep, I said the latter. If he revealed her before the process was done it is more of sideshow sort of thing. For his pals to ooh and ahh about. Once he's done she just appears very docile and well behaved.

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What type of person (woman) is stimulated by this on a continuing basis? And also what could make someone this way, where their need for stimuli is almost zilch?


Answer your question realistically. Aside from damaged goods it's probably someone with little to no responsibility that is able to remove herself from society with very little consequence. Mental stability is a good question, but if you think about the downside to this it could unleash something ugly and make her revolt. In a normal (read she's got her marbles) situation I'd think she'd have to be mentally tough. This isn't for the faint of heart.

She's consenting to being objectified, humiliated, degraded and recast in a new image. Think about submission and how you agree to accept his authority over certain things. The only difference in this situation is that the certainty has been removed. The end is whatever he decides.

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A continual lack of emotion or affection not wanted or needed by both parties?


An extrovert probably wouldn't sign up for this. I think some affinity with solitude is necessary. There will be moments alone and we haven't covered the sleeping and eating situations. She spends a LOT of time alone. His presence is not a constant in the manner that you're thinking. It is a privilege granted instead. Eating from bowls and such is simple. If you're really hungry and have gone without the presentation may not matter after a time. The need to eat becomes the driving force not the fact you lack utensils or a proper plate. It isn't as if you can get them on your own. Resistance would probably lead to a few missed meals.

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I asked him also, how long do relationships like this last, and he told me I was stupid and that I had a lot to learn.


I don't think you're stupid. But the conditioning one receives in a situation like this is created for permanence. Which really means until he's had his fill. Whether he keeps her long or short term is something he'd decide. She wouldn't have a voice in it. Objects don't speak.

~porcelaine



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