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A Question To All Conservatives and "Libertarians&... - 5/22/2010 7:16:19 AM   
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Do you or do you not support the Civil Rights Act of 1964?




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RE: A Question To All Conservatives and "Libertari... - 5/22/2010 7:19:22 AM   
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RE: A Question To All Conservatives and "Libertari... - 5/22/2010 7:27:03 AM   
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I'd have to read it first.


Yeah, all these new laws, it's hard to keep up.

Almost through with the Constitution yet?

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RE: A Question To All Conservatives and "Libertari... - 5/22/2010 7:34:38 AM   
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RE: A Question To All Conservatives and "Libertari... - 5/22/2010 7:39:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		She sure is!  But if she didn't make sense...or went on rabid rants like some which will remain nameless (relax Sanity and servant, I mean TV/radio people here)...then I wouldn't think she was sensible.

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RE: A Question To All Conservatives and "Libertari... - 5/22/2010 7:58:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		My position is the same as the Libertarian Party Platform:

3.5    Rights and Discrimination
We condemn bigotry as irrational and repugnant. Government should not deny or abridge any individual's rights based on sex, wealth, race, color, creed, age, national origin, personal habits, political preference or sexual orientation. Parents, or other guardians, have the right to raise their children according to their own standards and beliefs.

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RE: A Question To All Conservatives and "Libertari... - 5/22/2010 8:10:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thats not quite how Rand Paul sees it.  While he is a libertarian, he feels a private business has the right to discriminate, which is in direct conflict with the Civil Rights Act.  And Rand Paul is the newly appointed fearless leader of the tea partiers.  A grand association to be part of.

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RE: A Question To All Conservatives and "Libertari... - 5/22/2010 8:11:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		So im guessing by what you posted that the government cannot be racist, but an individual can? What if said child goes to work for the government?

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RE: A Question To All Conservatives and "Libertari... - 5/22/2010 8:16:52 AM   
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Rand Paul Says He's Being 'Trashed Up and Down' by 'Democratic Talking Points'

Rand Paul, the Tea Party's rising star from Kentucky who won the state's GOP Senate primary this week, says criticism of his views on the Civil Rights Act and other pieces of anti-discrimination legislation are "red herrings" and Democrats' attempt to "trash" his campaign.

"When does my honeymoon period start? I had a big victory," Paul told George Stephanopoulos on "Good Morning America" today. "I've just been trashed up and down and they have been saying things that are untrue. And when they say I'm for repealing the Civil Rights Act, it's absolutely false. It's never been my position and something that I basically just think is politics."


Paul's comments came amid a firestorm of criticism sparked earlier this week when he appeared to question the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which he said went too far in banning discrimination by private companies.

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Paul has said he doesn't believe the government has the right to tell a private business who they have to serve but insists he has not -- and has never -- called for a repeal of the law.

Full article at http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/2010_Elections/rand-paul-fires-back-critics-civil-rights-act/story?id=10705651


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RE: A Question To All Conservatives and "Libertari... - 5/22/2010 8:18:44 AM   
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Was it you who appointed him, or was it Rachel Maddow.

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Thats not quite how Rand Paul sees it.  While he is a libertarian, he feels a private business has the right to discriminate, which is in direct conflict with the Civil Rights Act.  And Rand Paul is the newly appointed fearless leader of the tea partiers.  A grand association to be part of.


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RE: A Question To All Conservatives and "Libertari... - 5/22/2010 8:18:45 AM   
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Thats not quite how Rand Paul sees it. While he is a libertarian, he feels...


That's likely to happen a lot. Libertarianism is good for feel good sound bites, but completely impractical.

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RE: A Question To All Conservatives and "Libertari... - 5/22/2010 8:25:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Let me start by saying the Civil Rights Act has not stopped individuals from being racist, sexist or anything else.

That said, if an individual is racist and choses to work for the governament then s/he would have to adhere to the standards that job entails. Just as I, as a nurse, must adhere to the standards my workplace dictates to me.

I abhore racism,sexism etc. I have and will protested against it, I will boycott any group or individual who is racist, racial slurs and the like are not allowed in my home. I will and have asked people to leave my home for using them. I am not naive enough to believe that we can legislate away racism/sexism, etc in individuals. It will always exist. The solution, IMO, is for all good people to reject and make life as uncomfortable as possible for those who think like that.

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edited to add : Current laws have not stopped discrimination or prejudice. Shunning and rejection would be much more effective. Again, imo.

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RE: A Question To All Conservatives and "Libertari... - 5/22/2010 8:34:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Civil Rights Act does just that. A big corportation, in my mind, will not feel the pressure from society as much as they will from having their wallets hit.

A person's skin color does not make them any less human than you or i. Nor should it be a basis for denial of service or goods. Or do you agree with going back to the days of having to travel two towns over for a black family to have a nice dinner?

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That said, if an individual is racist and choses to work for the governament then s/he would have to adhere to the standards that job entails. Just as I, as a nurse, must adhere to the standards my workplace dictates to me.


This part is sad. My mother worked in a hospital system that had a white hospital and a black one. Your workplace can dictate you wear a pig's nose to work everyday and oink at the moon. Federal law says.. uh uh. Not everyone who owns a business should own a business. Taking your example of nurses, what if your business required you to be rude to anyone not white? Its workplace standards.

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RE: A Question To All Conservatives and "Libertari... - 5/22/2010 8:45:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, Tazz, you make a good point. My position is that any business that accepts federal monies falls under the umbrella of the Civil Rights Act, as it is Federal Law. Hospitals accept Medicare, therefore would fall under that umbrella. I suppose we could create all kinds of weird scenarios, but they aren't going to come to pass.

Let me ask you this: What do you think the chances are of a hospital opening up that demands we be rude to non whites actually getting enough business or staff to actually operate ?

In response to " not everyone who owns a business hould own a business " I agree, but this is America and that is the right of it's citizens. Would you take away an individuals right to own a business, and if so, what is your criteria ?

Do I want to return to the " old days ". No, and I honestly don't think we ever will, with or without the Civil Rights Act. And just to be clear : I do not have any desire to repeal the Civil Rights Act, it's the law of the land. I do believe it is misused more than it is used as it was intended. Example : A few years ago a couple was tossed off a plane for screaming obcenities ad infintim. The sued the airline for violating their civil rights due to an " illness " that causes them not to have control of their words.

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RE: A Question To All Conservatives and "Libertari... - 5/22/2010 8:50:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Was it you who appointed him, or was it Rachel Maddow.

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Thats not quite how Rand Paul sees it.  While he is a libertarian, he feels a private business has the right to discriminate, which is in direct conflict with the Civil Rights Act.  And Rand Paul is the newly appointed fearless leader of the tea partiers.  A grand association to be part of.



Ummm, not I nor her.  I suppose I need to send you a link to back up what the latest is, Sanity.  Take yer pick.  I'm sure you'll find fault with the credibility of the link, but the fact is.....it's so!
 
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/05/20/2010-05-20_toast_of_the_tea_party_rand_pauls_so_conservative_he_scares_cheney.html  (I snickered most over this one the most...IS Dick Cheney scareable? lol), but then there's....

On the campaign trail, Rand Paul repeatedly warned of a coming "Tea Party tidal wave." On Tuesday night it arrived. Paul notched a decisive win in Kentucky's Republican primary, dousing the hopes of the party establishment and signaling that the Tea Party movement could wield considerable clout in November. "I have a message from the Tea Party," Paul told supporters gathered at his victory party on the back porch of a Bowling Green country club. "A message that is loud and clear and does not mince words: We have come to take our government back."
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20100519/us_time/08599199018300
 
And then there's this....

Two days after becoming the newest symbol of "tea party" politics, Republican Senate candidate Rand Paul of Kentucky thrust himself, his party and the movement into an uncomfortable conversation about the federal government's role in prohibiting racial discrimination and about a period of history that most politicians consider beyond debate.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/20/AR2010052003500.html

Take yer pick.  But no...alas, Sanity.  They weren't my words.  I didn't declare Rand Paul anything!! 

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RE: A Question To All Conservatives and "Libertari... - 5/22/2010 8:59:29 AM   
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How does any of that establish that he was appointed the Tea Party leader, as you claim?




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RE: A Question To All Conservatives and "Libertari... - 5/22/2010 9:01:16 AM   
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On the campaign trail, Rand Paul repeatedly warned of a coming "Tea Party tidal wave." On Tuesday night it arrived. Paul notched a decisive win in Kentucky's Republican primary, dousing the hopes of the party establishment and signaling that the Tea Party movement could wield considerable clout in November. "I have a message from the Tea Party," Paul told supporters gathered at his victory party on the back porch of a Bowling Green country club. "A message that is loud and clear and does not mince words: We have come to take our government back."



The highlighted portion is what I don't get.

Who do the teabaggers think took their government? 

And if they really believe their government has been taken from them it obviously didn't happen overnight.

So why is it they don't think they share in the responsibility?

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RE: A Question To All Conservatives and "Libertari... - 5/22/2010 9:02:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		LOL.  So you don't want to admit you're wrong.  Or, you have a problem with reading comprehension.  I guess you're just waiting for the "Official Announcement"??  Do they official announce incredible stupidity?

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RE: A Question To All Conservatives and "Libertari... - 5/22/2010 9:04:27 AM   
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Libertarianism is far more practical than your progressivism / socialism / liberalism / communism in which every thought, action or deed must be submitted to an all-powerful governmental bureaucracy or dictator for approval.


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That's likely to happen a lot. Libertarianism is good for feel good sound bites, but completely impractical.


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RE: A Question To All Conservatives and "Libertari... - 5/22/2010 9:04:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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On the campaign trail, Rand Paul repeatedly warned of a coming "Tea Party tidal wave." On Tuesday night it arrived. Paul notched a decisive win in Kentucky's Republican primary, dousing the hopes of the party establishment and signaling that the Tea Party movement could wield considerable clout in November. "I have a message from the Tea Party," Paul told supporters gathered at his victory party on the back porch of a Bowling Green country club. "A message that is loud and clear and does not mince words: We have come to take our government back."



The highlighted portion is what I don't get.

Who do the teabaggers think took their government? 

And if they really believe their government has been taken from them it obviously didn't happen overnight.

So why is it they don't think they share in the responsibility?



Ask the tea baggers...or, ask Sanity.  Its a rant I've been hearing from their corner for a while.  I guess they don't like BIG gov't, so they want to take ALL their gov't back???  Who knows.

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