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ORIGINAL: Brain


I am complaining that no one will report or has reported this from any of my ‘favorite’ news sources – MSNBC, PBS,CBC.

Then you need to open your eyes as to the lack of creditability of any of those "reputable" news sources.

Good example to learn from.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: Brain

I thought I knew Soros but I will have to learn more about him in the future – I still blame Wall Street, not Soros, for the financial crisis

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


Soros Petrobas Stimulus Google Search.  Half a million hits.

Probably is something in that number that you might consider "reliable".

Firm

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


Soros Petrobas Stimulus Google Search.  Half a million hits.

Probably is something in that number that you might consider "reliable".

Firm

Not really since all I see rolling off the top there is right wing blogs.  Then you can start getting into hits on single words.

Can you not do better?

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Typical, you've got nothing so you start with insults.

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Fact
   Petrobas is owned and controlled by the Brazilian government. 
   Petrobas is also in control of 3 deep water fields that appear to hold some of the largest reserves currently known.
   The Brazilian Government is trying to raise the money to start work in those fields without selling enough shares that they
    may lose control of the Petrobas. 
   
    The US Government offered 2 billion in loans or loan guarantees.
    The Chinese Central Bank also granted a 10 Billion dollar loan.

          (Side Note, Petrobas has already contracted with several American Firms to provide Millions of Dollars
            in deep water oil field equipment)

"Soros"
       His hedge fund made several investments in energy and natural resources.  One of them being Petrobas. 

Yes, lost in that shuffle was the fact that Soros Hedge Fund made several investments in energy and related companies.  Are they all related to Obama?

So we have a neighbor who is sitting on some of the biggest oil reserves in the world.  You would suggest it is a bad thing to help them develop it?  You feel that helping secure that oil for our future needs is not wise?

Just as an after thought, you do understand that Soros's Hedge Fund has so far lost money on that investment?  The stock price rose on the news of the oil finds and has since drifted back down.  That's a long term investment, it'll be worth money when they those fields start producing.

Now I'll ask again.  Do you have something BESIDES a right wing blog and an insult that suggest something else? 

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


What makes you think I got any information from a "right wing blog"? (translation: one which you have already made your mind up to discount, prior to reading for facts, connections or content.).

You know what they say about assumptions.

Get out of your own locked-down and blindfolded ideological mindset, and smell the coffee.

Or the money and oil in this case.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: Brain

It's remarkable how much you know about George Soros. I don't think I could know as much as you do about what he's doing and Brazil unless I worked as a stockbroker.

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


What makes you think I got any information from a "right wing blog"? (translation: one which you have already made your mind up to discount, prior to reading for facts, connections or content.).

You know what they say about assumptions.

Get out of your own locked-down and blindfolded ideological mindset, and smell the coffee.

Or the money and oil in this case.

Firm

Maybe,  just maybe, because the Google reference you linked to and suggested searching brought pages of,  "RIGHT WING BLOGS".

Funny how you want to focus the conversation on those things.

I'll ask again, Do you have anything else?  Cause I did notice you didn't try and dispute any of the facts I laid out from other news sources.

I'll also ask you this again.  You think it is a bad idea to help Brazil develop those huge oil resources in our own back yard?

Even Sarah Palin didn't crawl out on this limb when she was critical of it.  She only stated that the money should be spent on the fields off our coast (which is not an idea that's flying high with a lot of people right now considering the gusher in the Gulf).  Which in theory is a good question and idea.  But the reality is this in an oil field not a car factory.  You just can't pick it up and move it.  Those oil reserves are where they are.    

BTW in the same time frame Soros's Hedge Fund bought a stake in Arch Coal (our second largest coal producer), another 800,000 plus shares of US Coal miner Consol Energy, and another almost 500,000 shares of amazingly another large Brazilian company CVRD a huge iron ore miner.  Several other hedge funds also made large purchases in the same areas.

You want to shake all of that up and see if you can connect it all to Obama as well?

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Get a grip kinkroids, this isn't partisan fodder, this is plutocracy and capitalism at its best.

What's the big deal ? The world in a free market [sic] doesn't fucking need an Ex-Im bank. But gee wiz all of those folks out there in foreign land would surely love to buy our products. In this case...drill for oil.

Trouble is while US corporations would love to sell them all they want...those foreign folks just don't have the money. Worse...the great and glorious free-market [sic] capitalist won't lend them the money either. You know, those risk averse capitalists. Turns out in their 'marketplace' they don't like the risk.

No problem. The capitalist goes to the plutocracy (purchases govt.) and (since a 1934 executive order) has the US taxpayers (socialized) fund this bank and who will happy to take the risk apparently. Who could blame the capitalist ? (here is among the strongest of borrowers out there and in among the most profitable industries and they still come to govt, [taxpayers] to take the risk...why ?)

This is for all of those US jobs that we are told by govt., they really don't produce or save, so we will lend them the money. Where is the great marketplace ? Hiding under rocks ?
This is just more socialism for the capitalist...the rich.

Don't ya just l u v...free market [sic] capitalism ? The greatest oxymoron in history.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Get a grip kinkroids, this isn't partisan fodder, this is plutocracy and capitalism at its best.

What's the big deal ? The world in a free market [sic] doesn't fucking need an Ex-Im bank. But gee wiz all of those folks out there in foreign land would surely love to buy our products. In this case...drill for oil.

Trouble is while US corporations would love to sell them all they want...those foreign folks just don't have the money. Worse...the great and glorious free-market [sic] capitalist won't lend them the money either. You know, those risk averse capitalists. Turns out in their 'marketplace' they don't like the risk.

No problem. The capitalist goes to the plutocracy (purchases govt.) and (since a 1934 executive order) has the US taxpayers (socialized) fund this bank and who will happy to take the risk apparently. Who could blame the capitalist ? (here is among the strongest of borrowers out there and in among the most profitable industries and they still come to govt, [taxpayers] to take the risk...why ?)

This is for all of those US jobs that we are told by govt., they really don't produce or save, so we will lend them the money. Where is the great marketplace ? Hiding under rocks ?
This is just more socialism for the capitalist...the rich.

Don't ya just l u v...free market [sic] capitalism ? The greatest oxymoron in history.

While I am in favor of capitalism, the old connection between politics and money is an inherent part of the situation, and can cause corruption regardless of the political leanings of the people involved..

Don't have to like it, but it does exist, and I suspect this is just more of the same, on the other side of the ideological divide, which is why I never brought it up when I first read about it.

Not an ideological issue, simply a human nature issue.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Right, gotcha.  You got nothing so it breaks down to name calling.

How exactly is it partisan to ask you for something to back up the comments you make?

Insulted me?  Hardly, I think it is hysterical how angry one can get when just simply asked to provide something of fact to support what they are trying to peddle.

... to ask you for something to back up the comments you make?

...  when just simply asked to provide something of fact to support what they are trying to peddle.

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Thanks I needed the laugh this morning.

You already know what you wrote,  talking circles doesn't change it.  But please find one sentence where I made a partisan or ideological statement.

I gave you a nice list of facts from various sources none of which you ever attempted to dispute.  I can find nothing that suggest any connection to Soros or that this was "Stimulus funds" rather than a loan or loan guarantees other than right wing blogs.   Who by the way offer nothing on the form of proof. 

Calling those blogs what they are is a partisan statement?  If you suggested something after hearing it from the Huffington Post or Keith Olbermann I would ask you for better sources as that would be more of the same just from the other side.

I'll ask you once again.  We have a nation who is sitting on the largest oil reserves that have been found on this side of the world in decades.  You think it is a bad idea to help them develop that and secure access to the oil?

At the same time the Chinese Central Bank loaned Petrobas 10 billion dollars.  Do you think that was a payoff to Soros as well?  Or just maybe they might have the same idea about helping develop the fields and access?