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Eigenaar -> Verkiezingen/Elections (5/23/2010 2:19:48 AM)

Volgende maand hebben we verkiezingen in Nederland. Naast onze eigen stem kunnen we de stem uitbrengen van maximaal twee mensen die ons machtigden dit te doen. Mijn vraag is hoe dit voor (jouw/jullie) subs en slaven is geregeld: stemmen ze zelf? En wat als er sprake is van meer dan twee onderdanigen? En zijn er ook gebruikers die vinden dat een onderdanige/lijfeigene/vrouw niet zou moeten stemmen?

Next month we have elections in the Netherlands. Besides our own vote we can bring out the vote of two more people who authorized us to do so. My question is how this is arranged for (your) subs and slaves: do they vote themselves? And what if there are more than two submissives. And are there users who think a submissive/slave/woman should not vote?



aldompdx -> RE: Verkiezingen/Elections (5/23/2010 2:58:06 AM)

In the U.S., one may not vote by proxy. However, one may vote by mail in advance, as an "absentee." And, some of the United States permit voting exclusively by mail.

In the U.S. there remain some traditionalist people who believe that certain classes of persons should not have the right and power to vote. As originally written in the Federal Constitution: "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned ...according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons." Persons imported as property were not allowed to vote, nor women.

There presently exist many such people who want to go back in time, and reverse the evolution of individual freedom; among other things, by imagining that a corporation is a special individual entitled to unfettered freedom with greater rights than an organic person.



LadyAngelika -> RE: Verkiezingen/Elections (5/23/2010 5:57:11 AM)

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And are there users who think a submissive/slave/woman should not vote?


A little history lesson about your own country: The Netherlands was the Dutch Vereeniging voor Vrouwenkiesrecht (Women’s Suffrage Association), founded in 1894 ensure that in 1917 Dutch women became electable in national elections and on the 15th of May 1919 a new law was drafted to allow women's suffrage without any limitations. The law was passed and the right to vote could be exercised for the first time in the general elections of 1922.

So 88 years later your are questioning whether or not women should vote?

And again, for your information, not all women are submissives or slaves.

- LA



Eigenaar -> RE: Verkiezingen/Elections (5/23/2010 10:40:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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And are there users who think a submissive/slave/woman should not vote?


A little history lesson about your own country: The Netherlands was the Dutch Vereeniging voor Vrouwenkiesrecht (Women’s Suffrage Association), founded in 1894 ensure that in 1917 Dutch women became electable in national elections and on the 15th of May 1919 a new law was drafted to allow women's suffrage without any limitations. The law was passed and the right to vote could be exercised for the first time in the general elections of 1922.

So 88 years later your are questioning whether or not women should vote?

And again, for your information, not all women are submissives or slaves.

- LA
 I don't ask for history lessons, nor do I suggest all women are submissives or slaves. I did not put this in the Politics and Religions section myself but in the General BDSM Discussion section (http://www.collarchat.com/m_3218369/tm.htm) because I wonder how users of this site deal with and think about the matter.



ishyB -> RE: Verkiezingen/Elections (5/23/2010 10:40:26 AM)

The question seems rather silly.

I'm Belgian and I've voted by proxy for several other people and have had my own vote cast by proxy by my ex-boyfriend on two occasions.
I believe in traditional male lead relationships, so if my boyfriend would have told me: "I want you to vote X because I think he's the best choice" that who I would have voted for.

He didn't need to have my vote by proxy to control and influence who I might pick, and frankly.... seeing that you yourself are talking about slaves/subs and lijfeigenen here, I'm surprised at your lack of faith in your ability to do the same.
If you want her to vote for somebody, order her to do so... if you do not have faith that when she is alone, away from your influence, in the voting boot will actually obey you... then how much fucking power do you really have over her anyways? If the only way you can own her is by having a piece of paper that says you do, then good luck... it's never going to happen.



pahunkboy -> RE: Verkiezingen/Elections (5/23/2010 11:34:10 AM)

Here in PA- even the retarded may vote.  and some do. 



Arpig -> RE: Verkiezingen/Elections (5/23/2010 11:48:25 AM)

How a person votes should not be controlled or influenced at all. A sub/slave should be free to vote however they want.



popeye1250 -> RE: Verkiezingen/Elections (5/23/2010 12:40:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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And are there users who think a submissive/slave/woman should not vote?


A little history lesson about your own country: The Netherlands was the Dutch Vereeniging voor Vrouwenkiesrecht (Women’s Suffrage Association), founded in 1894 ensure that in 1917 Dutch women became electable in national elections and on the 15th of May 1919 a new law was drafted to allow women's suffrage without any limitations. The law was passed and the right to vote could be exercised for the first time in the general elections of 1922.

So 88 years later your are questioning whether or not women should vote?

And again, for your information, not all women are submissives or slaves.

- LA


L.A. they are if you're a "twue dominant."



Eigenaar -> RE: Verkiezingen/Elections (5/23/2010 4:20:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

How a person votes should not be controlled or influenced at all. A sub/slave should be free to vote however they want.
Then why do most christians vote for christians and most children vote like their parents and most hindus not bring out their vote?




LadyAngelika -> RE: Verkiezingen/Elections (5/23/2010 5:14:53 PM)

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L.A. they are if you're a "twue dominant."


popeye, I dare any twue dominant to try and match wits with me ;-)

- LA



LadyAngelika -> RE: Verkiezingen/Elections (5/23/2010 5:19:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Eigenaar
 I don't ask for history lessons, nor do I suggest all women are submissives or slaves. I did not put this in the Politics and Religions section myself but in the General BDSM Discussion section (http://www.collarchat.com/m_3218369/tm.htm) because I wonder how users of this site deal with and think about the matter.


Up until the 1970s, it was mandatory for everyone in your country to vote. I find it unfortunate that they reversed this.

You did not directly say that all women are submissives, but in writing "submissive/slave/woman", what were you implying?

- LA



Eigenaar -> RE: Verkiezingen/Elections (5/23/2010 6:09:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Up until the 1970s, it was mandatory for everyone in your country to vote. I find it unfortunate that they reversed this.

You did not directly say that all women are submissives, but in writing "submissive/slave/woman", what were you implying?

- LA


Why do you find it unfortunate?

To answer your question: as you know submissives/slaves are controlled. With the elections coming up I wondered if this control goes as far as the dominant party not allowing the sub/slave to vote or deciding what they vote and if there even are users of this site who find women should not vote at all and not afraid to admit this.




LadyAngelika -> RE: Verkiezingen/Elections (5/23/2010 9:35:57 PM)

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if there even are users of this site who find women should not vote at all and not afraid to admit this.


It's not a question of fear. I'd say that most people are evolved enough that they wouldn't have these archaic ideas. I think you'll find your little group of misogynist anti-woman voters to be a very lonely one here.

- LA



Eigenaar -> RE: Verkiezingen/Elections (5/24/2010 2:39:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

I'd say that most people are evolved enough that they wouldn't have these archaic ideas. I think you'll find your little group of misogynist anti-woman voters to be a very lonely one here.

- LA


These ideas are as archaic as the opposite: there have always been matriarchal societies. I am not so sure about ''my group of misogynist anti-woman voters'', as you call it, being little and lonely here: several profiles and threads speak of relationships in which the submissive female does nothing without permission of the dominant party.



LadyAngelika -> RE: Verkiezingen/Elections (5/24/2010 7:47:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Eigenaar

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

I'd say that most people are evolved enough that they wouldn't have these archaic ideas. I think you'll find your little group of misogynist anti-woman voters to be a very lonely one here.

- LA


These ideas are as archaic as the opposite: there have always been matriarchal societies. I am not so sure about ''my group of misogynist anti-woman voters'', as you call it, being little and lonely here: several profiles and threads speak of relationships in which the submissive female does nothing without permission of the dominant party.


While they might require that their slave (regardless of gender) gives up the right to vote and that the slave consents to this (yeah, slaves consent to everything, really, as they are always free to leave if they don't like the conditions) that is a far cry from you assuming that these men don't think women have the right to vote.

Most men with an ounce of confidence aren't afraid of women voters.

- LA



Eigenaar -> RE: Verkiezingen/Elections (5/24/2010 1:00:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika


quote:

ORIGINAL: Eigenaar

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

I'd say that most people are evolved enough that they wouldn't have these archaic ideas. I think you'll find your little group of misogynist anti-woman voters to be a very lonely one here.

- LA


These ideas are as archaic as the opposite: there have always been matriarchal societies. I am not so sure about ''my group of misogynist anti-woman voters'', as you call it, being little and lonely here: several profiles and threads speak of relationships in which the submissive female does nothing without permission of the dominant party.


While they might require that their slave (regardless of gender) gives up the right to vote and that the slave consents to this (yeah, slaves consent to everything, really, as they are always free to leave if they don't like the conditions) that is a far cry from you assuming that these men don't think women have the right to vote.

Most men with an ounce of confidence aren't afraid of women voters.

- LA
I nowhere assume that the men you mention think women have no right to vote. I however do know there are people who believe women should not vote. We actually have a christian party in the Netherlands that only allows women to (only actively) vote because of (outside) pressure though it believes women should not be politically engaged in any way. Their youth movement is the largest of the country.



LadyAngelika -> RE: Verkiezingen/Elections (5/24/2010 3:17:33 PM)

I repeat, men with an ounce of confidence aren't afraid of women voters. To take away another's liberty against their will is an act of cowardice.

- LA



Eigenaar -> RE: Verkiezingen/Elections (5/24/2010 4:32:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

I repeat, men with an ounce of confidence aren't afraid of women voters. To take away another's liberty against their will is an act of cowardice.

- LA



You like repeating yourself it seems. Against who's will  do you mean?



LadyAngelika -> RE: Verkiezingen/Elections (5/24/2010 4:40:20 PM)

No, I used repetition for emphasis.

I'd answer your question but to be honest, I don't see the point as you seem to be set in your discriminatory ways. If everyone else in this section is ignoring this post, it might be a good tip for me that it's kind of useless.

- LA



Eigenaar -> RE: Verkiezingen/Elections (5/24/2010 4:47:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

No, I used repetition for emphasis.

I'd answer your question but to be honest, I don't see the point as you seem to be set in your discriminatory ways. If everyone else in this section is ignoring this post, it might be a good tip for me that it's kind of useless.

- LA


I don't follow you. I am discriminatory?



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