Andalusite
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Thanks, LA! I still think he's a wonderful man, and I have an enormous amount of respect for him. We're trying to keep the friendship aspect, and it's going as well as it's *possible* for a breakup to, but it still is painful and difficult for both of us. LP, I decided to take that part out, since mixing the joke with the serious was a little weird. Just to clarify, I'd said that a "beta" sub was one who was "beta-testing" submission to decide whether or not it worked for them. It was just a pun, not a serious definition. In practice, I agree with LP that I've mostly seen the term used in poly situations, where there is a hierarchy set either by length of service, or by a particular person being designated as in charge of the others due to their suitability. There are a lot of submissives who have "alpha," dominant personalities, and others who tend to be submissive in their interactions with people in general. Sometimes, people in the second category are derided as "doormats," or taken advantage of. I suppose you could refer to them as "beta" or "omega," but I don't think it's common terminology in the BDSM community. IMHO, a lot of men in the second category come across as unconsensually objectifying the Domme or switch women they are interested in. It comes across like they feel we are interchangeable, and they're only submitting to us because we have tits and a pussy, rather than because they are drawn to us as individual people, with our own desires, standards, and expectations. I don't think this is true of all submissive men who have submissive personalities. I do think that men who do feel submissive to women in general (or to people in general) need to be very careful in how they express this in their profiles, initial e-mails, and posts. IMHO, someone can still be very powerful on other levels, yet be more of a follower than a leader in life. My former submissive was very much that way. He could organise things, and was outgoing and made friends easily, but he wasn't interested in power or management in business, and he tended to be very helpful to all of his friends and most of his acquaintances, volunteered frequently, etc. He found it very fulfilling to be useful to the people he cared about, but didn't come across as sleazy or wanky about it.
< Message edited by Andalusite -- 5/24/2010 7:00:53 PM >
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