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RE: Stun guns - 4/10/2006 12:07:29 PM   
WyrdRich


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Status: offline 		       When I first got the stun gun (I'm assuming they are legal because I bought it in a store right over the counter), I put it right up on my thigh and hit the button for about 1.5-2 seconds.  NEVER AGAIN.  After hearing the lecture, I tried it again, triggering the mechanism on the way in and just taking a brief zap. That was a much more tolerable effect. Duration is the critical thing.  As far as killing somebody with it, I'm pretty sure you'd have to try and cops have been known go overboard subduing a "customer."

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RE: Stun guns - 4/10/2006 12:38:41 PM   
NickInSLC


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Status: offline 		Violet wands are fun if you're looking for a flashy toy that will impress people while requiring no skill to operate.  People love to watch the violet wand, they can see the electricity, and it looks so extreme.  They're a very good beginner toy.

TENS units and stun guns however, require that you actually bother to learn something first.  Sometimes that's just too much effort, but if you're willing to go the extra mile, they're well worth it.

For all the fear mongering about stun guns, I've seen nobody mention any hard numbers to back up their claims of danger.  Keep in mind, we're not talking about Tazer guns or even hardcore police issued stun guns.  However if you can get your hands on either, please get in touch with me.  Plain old consumer grade stun guns usually have an output of between one and four hundred thousand volts.  Sounds pretty harsh, but we're talking about miliamps here.  Not to mention that the electricity only travels between the contacts.

If you wanted to stop somebody's heart with a stun gun, you would have to disassemble the thing,  add wires to the probes so they can have distance between them, then orient them so that the path between them crosses through the heart.  Oops.  Forgot to mention, skin is a pretty good insulator, you'd have to sharpen the probes and poke them through the skin.  Then you could stop somebody's heart with a stun gun.  The numbers are out there if you want to look them up.  I've seen them and promptly forgot.  Uncle Abdul is the definitive source if you're interested in real electrical play.

By the way, if you have a pacemaker, all bets are off when it comes to electrical play.  Talk to your doctor before doing it.  He'll probably dickslap you and lock you up.  And don't zap anybody on the head.  The brain functions on tiny electrical currents, overloading them is not a good idea.

I know somebody's gonna bring it up.  Yes, I do play with stun guns both as a top and as bottom.  I have personally recieved hundreds of jolts from stun guns as big as 300,000 volts.  Much bigger than that and they leave burns and become rather unpleasant.

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RE: Stun guns - 4/10/2006 12:46:18 PM   
theGrimReaper


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Status: offline 		depends on which state your in if there legal. in mine there not

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RE: Stun guns - 4/10/2006 1:11:56 PM   
Oberonrex


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Status: offline 		There is a bit of difference between stun guns and tazers.

Tazers use a charge to fire a pair of darts attached to the unit by wires, so that the user does not have to close with the target to zap them. Tazers have had a number of problems for a variety of reasons, but it is easier to create the path (see my first post) given the darts and shooting for center of mass... You can also have the problem that came up recently when one or both of the darts penetrated a butane lighter, resulting in setting the target on fire.

Stun guns come in a variety of sizes/strengths, and it very much depends on the size/strength as to the possibility of problems. The larger, the greater the risk. Also, the quality of the unit matters too.

While they are similar in end result, there is difference as to application, as well as things like frequency, strength, etc.

Blanket statements just don't cut it when it comes to electrical play with one exception: Know your gear, know your partner, and know what you are doing and how it feels.

As a quick aside to LA, something I enjoy doing is to use the vaginal plug, along with the Jr. or other options, and a combination of the Eros Tek and the Folsom boxes to induce orgasm and keep it going. As for the flyswatter, most love to hate it. :)

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RE: Stun guns - 4/10/2006 1:27:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Oberonrex
As a quick aside to LA, something I enjoy doing is to use the vaginal plug, along with the Jr. or other options, and a combination of the Eros Tek and the Folsom boxes to induce orgasm and keep it going.

I enjoyed that as long as the hitachi or fingers were not pressing directly onto the clitoris- the orgasm is a rolling continuous experience.  But as soon as I get direct touching on the clit, it spikes into over-the-top-intensity that rips me up (which is what he was going for).

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RE: Stun guns - 4/10/2006 1:43:53 PM   
NickInSLC


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Status: offline 		Thanks for such a helpful post Oberonrex.  I have a big pet peeve with people refering to stun guns as tazers.  It's nice to see a voice of sanity.

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RE: Stun guns - 4/10/2006 1:57:13 PM   
Oberonrex


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Status: offline 		That sounds delightful, though I can empathize with placement sending it over-the-top. In my recent efforts, I have managed to keep things going for somewhere around three hours, with things having to end because of a conflicting appointment rather than exhaustion on the part of the lady. My goal is to see how far it can be taken, with the next effort aimed at taking it into the 4-7 hour range. After a certain point, some direct stimulation of the clitoris is often needed to keep things rolling.

This thread has gotten me to thinking a bit (ouch) and remembering things. My interest in electrical started when I was around 10 or 11 because of a partial hit of AC current that felt damned good. Explored over the years, and got a lot of good advice and guidance from Jeremiah in Atlanta (at the old PEP) years back. Remained interested even after having the CRT in a silly scope nail me in high school -- was working on it when I felt my arm doing funny, looked down, saw arm twitching and arcing going to arm, said "Oh" and finished statement several feet away looking up at the ceiling. A "discharged" TV tube got me in college a bit as well when doing a repair, but didn't dampen my interest in play -- just on repairing anything with a CRT.

So far, the longest and worst hit I have taken from a good sized stun gun was self-inflicted on-duty. I was doing security work while finishing my MS and the kit was not what they have today. The stun gun was in a very open holster, and the vehicle I was in had those rigid seat belt things. Yep, one of them caught the stun gun and I took several seconds (seemed like forever) of heavy discharge until I finally twitched around enough to disengage the switch. In proof of the adage that bored wolves will find ways to entertain themselves that you won't like, I discovered that discharging the large stun gun into the face plates of various radios will wipe out the channel and related programming... (It was out, because it bloody well wasn't going back in the holster again unless I was out of the vehicle).

Oberon

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RE: Stun guns - 4/10/2006 11:24:43 PM   
LATEXBABY64


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Status: offline 		  i have all those electro toys and one that is used by medical professionals alot stronger then the medictronic. or my libera tens. my folsem and tens unit and my pes which i love them all  even the ye old telephone crank generator lol  and to many attachments to list but the point of it is common sense says do not be stupid  i respect electricty 110 kills 220 kills even at low amps stun guns if done enought times will mess your neverous system up  you end up with the shakes and some other problems uncontroled twitches.
some things are just not ment to mess with. accidents happen and if you want to play stupid you diserve what you get.  tens units are great and get a good effect stun guns are ment to take a person down. but we all lead our own path may you choose wisely sometimes pushing the envolpe does not mean destorying your body to do it

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RE: Stun guns - 4/11/2006 6:46:47 AM   
Real0ne


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Oberonrex
Safety, Safety, Safety, Safety, Safety, Safety, Safety, Safety, Safety, Safety, Safety, Safety
1. Always check your partner out first. Anyone with a known heart condition should not engage in electrical play 


The question is, since anyone can drop over dead of a heart attack virtually at any time, even those who are very athletic shock us with news of their passing, exactly how does one chech their partner out?  and exactly how does one practice safety with electricity?  

quote:

ORIGINAL: WyrdRich

     I have one of the flyswatters (takes 2 D cell batteries) that I just use to kill bugs.  It had a good kick when I tried it on myself but haven't used it in play (yet).  Can they be used above the waist?  I'm thinking nipples in particular.  Not gonna go there without knowing for sure.



remember the pictures of magnetic flux around the earth when you were a kid?  That is roughly the pattern that electricity passes thru the body with the exception to blood veins are a slightly better conductor than musle tissue.   Passing electricity thru the heart even non locally can be very dangerous if not lethal

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ORIGINAL: topcat
Some people are more conductive than others, and enviormental/physical conditions will vary their conductivity even more. I have ataken a 'hit' of 600 VDC, which should have killed, or even burned me severly, with little or non after effects (it seemed to clear my sinus, actually).


Yes i too have had as little as 120volts ac and also 340 volts dc where in both cases i had two big holes in my arm where it hit.   the average body resistance of dry skin varies between 100,000 to 500,000 ohms, and if sweaty or wet can drop well below 10,000 ohms and if combined with a clamp onto the skin can drop into the 100's of ohms.   Of course the lower value of resistance the high the value of current passing thru the body.


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
If I wasnt so scared of getting cakked myself I would certainly want the womans obicularis oris wrapped around my penis.  In convulsions? 


implants!


Since there is no way to "really" know your partners condition at any given time and i seriously doubt people have ekg systems in their tool chest,  i will maintain that anything other than those little tesla coils are to dagerous for play.  No amount of skill and calculation will ever make up for lost health or life.  User beware. 


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RE: Stun guns - 4/11/2006 4:42:47 PM   
carlsteel


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Status: offline 		Remember when your parents smoked but told you not to? Similar situation here. In general I advise most people to not use stun guns. Saying that, I have used them in the past and probably will again at some time in the future. I 've used them directly on a sub's clitoris and to spark nipples. In the 1970's when I was young and stupid, I pressed directly into all parts of the breast. Now that I'm middle aged and stupid, I only use stun guns to spark the nipples - don't let the spark disappear becasue that means the currentinto the chest.

Safety aside, we're talking about the Rolls Royce of pain. Not just pain that's excrutiating, but genuine torture that may be beyond what a sub is willing and/or prepared to accept. This is hard core torture that is definitly for the advanced player only. And in my experience, it's surprising how many subs think they're into "heavy" play and are really shocked at what serious pain is really all about.

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RE: Stun guns - 4/12/2006 11:06:04 AM   
johnxinxscruz


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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

If I wasnt so scared of getting cakked myself I would certainly want the womans obicularis oris wrapped around my penis.  In convulsions? 


Thanks, but I wouldn't want my penis to be near someone's teeth during convulsions. Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

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RE: Stun guns - 4/12/2006 1:55:05 PM   
sultryvoice


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Status: offline 		I have seen stun guns used, but I think it's going a bit far. Many use cattle prods more often. Of course the violet wand is quite useful. Tennessee is having problems now with tazers. Only the upper officers are allowed to use them. There has been many complaints on using them, including a death. I think the lower voltage implements can be just as dangerous but one just has to use good judgement.

Respectfully,
sultry

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RE: Stun guns - 4/14/2006 5:30:10 PM   
refplace


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Status: offline 		I like electrical play.
I use a variety of TENS (medical, Eros Teks and Hotbox), Relaxizer (EMS type), violet wand (for bait), stun gun and cattle prod as well as some recent stuff by Toys Toys that are VERY loosely based on the electric flyswatter.
Stun guns may or may not be legal depending on local laws and possibly permits. They really vary a LOT and the two i have used are useless for self defense. I even zapped myself on long road trips for a quick adrenalin rush late at night wen caffiene wasnt cutting it anymore.
Always puled over first of course :)
I have gotten a lot more subs to try the stun gun then the cattle prod (I use a Hotshot model designed for pigs) but except for 1 all those who tried both much prefer the prod.
Prod is much more localized and mine is about 4k volts wheras my stun gun is 125k volts, both less then 4MA.
Hard to find specs on these things so it pays to know what your doing and practice on yourself first.
TENS can be painful or pleasurable and are very safe if you use quality stuff in a knowledgable manner. Remember they use it for back pain and even in birthing when an epidural is not feasable.

Rory

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RE: Stun guns - 4/14/2006 7:35:18 PM   
RiotGirl


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Status: offline 		electrical play scares the hell out of me.  Stun guns scare the hell out of me.  Yet i read the thread with an odd fascination.  i've seen electrical play on a girls parts before (and had it done) but never had anything electrical inserted and its NOT something i'd be willing to try, tho i'm sure if the situation presented itself i'd be willingly doing it and absolutely petrified.

Fly swatters on the nipples sucks MAJORLY!  (for me)

and i give props to anyone who actually enjoys and tolerates large amounts of this stuff.. i dun know how you do it. 

Oh yeah and Cuck.. what precisely makes you "qualified"  Are you especially "qualified" in making the assumption that you are "qualified"?  Personally i do not see any evidence present qualifying you to make qualified decisions on whether you are qualified to make qualifed decisions on whether not qualified to make qualified decisions.  But then again, i am most definetly not qualified to make a qualified decisions on whether you are qualifed to make qualified decisions.  Electricity is definetly not my area of expertise.  But generally being a former CO of a state doesnt necassarily make one qualified to make qualified decisions, especially pertaining to they're qualification on whether they are qualified to make a qualified decision on themself. 

On top of that, i've seen alot of other posts that sounded like they really were qualified to make qualified statements on whats at hand here.  And they didnt go qualifing themselves on making qualified decisions, infact they didnt qualify themselves at all, they just shared they're knowledge. 

Your post sounded abit cocky/arrogent or some such to me imo

<grins> for shits and giggles sake.. how many times did you have to read what i wrote to figure out what i was actually
saying?

"edited cos i had one word scewered that threw what i wrote up top.. having it done and not down"  LOL pls remember folks i'm a tad bit dyslecic.  Which means i miss some words, have too many words, or write out the wrong word"

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