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Yep, as I read it, Uncle Abraham held his nose and the American Party was absorbed by the Republican Party late 1850s. Evidently, it is still a vibrant wing of the Grand Ol Party but now called the Tea Party Movement [:D]

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Is there a reason why those immigrants cannot be added by going through the legal process?  The quotas are flexible, the law is not.

Once again.  If I were feeble and some do-gooder knocked on my door and offered to help me, that would be a blessing.  If someone jimmied the lock and broke into my house and started putting up the laundry... would I be a bitch to still call the cops?   If I were having a heart attack, and my neighbor busted down the door, gave me cpr, called the EMTs and stayed with me until they got there... would that give her the right to move her stuff into my house and challenge me to kick her out?

Just askin

The reason often given is that legal immigration is a ten year process with endless and repeated paper-work due to gross inefficiency at our foreign embassies. Just what I heard.

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I'm all for streamlining the process and making it more efficient.  But at the same time my son has spent years building a credit rating and saving for a downpayment on a car... Wouldda been a whole lot easier just to steal one.

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Yep, as I read it, Uncle Abraham held his nose and the American Party was absorbed by the Republican Party late 1850s. Evidently, it is still a vibrant wing of the Grand Ol Party but now called the Tea Party Movement [:D]

which oddly does fit if you know WHY he was shot.

can you say 3rd national bank?   (which is a central bank)

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I'm all for streamlining the process and making it more efficient.  But at the same time my son has spent years building a credit rating and saving for a downpayment on a car... Wouldda been a whole lot easier just to steal one.

The reason he didn't is because his need was not so desperate that he was willing to risk his liberty. Apparently, latinos are desperate enough to take the extreme risk of putting themselves at the mercy of "coyotes," dehydration in the Sonora Desert, capture by border patrol, and then exploitation by good capitalist employers who don't ask don't tell but pay barely subsistence wages. Why hasn't the system been streamlined? Availability of cheap Labor I think.

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But the symbology present in the statue of liberty, does anyone know what the designers meant ?

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Is there a reason why those immigrants cannot be added by going through the legal process? The quotas are flexible, the law is not.

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I'm all for streamlining the process and making it more efficient.  But at the same time my son has spent years building a credit rating and saving for a downpayment on a car... Wouldda been a whole lot easier just to steal one.

The reason he didn't is because his need was not so desperate that he was willing to risk his liberty. Apparently, latinos are desperate enough to take the extreme risk of putting themselves at the mercy of "coyotes," dehydration in the Sonora Desert, capture by border patrol, and then exploitation by good capitalist employers who don't ask don't tell but pay barely subsistence wages. Why hasn't the system been streamlined? Availability of cheap Labor I think.

You're right.  If my son stole a car he could go to jail.  There isn't a jail sentence for breaking and entering the United States.  There is no risk of loss of liberty.  You just get sent back to "start" and try again.  Sorry but do we just get to choose which laws we can break? 

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Is there a reason why those immigrants cannot be added by going through the legal process? The quotas are flexible, the law is not.

Good point; why do Mexican immigrants skirt the law, but say, Finnish immigrants don't?

Because the immigration quotas for Finns are set at levels that adequately handle the flow of people; The quotas for Mexicans are artificially set low by the government.

Borrowing a page from the Libertarians, why can't we let labor flow freely across borders, the same way we let capital and goods flow freely?

Suppose all 12 million Mexicans were legal immigrants? Would they still be criminals?

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Technology- cad/cam, robotics- reduces employment. They are experimenting with GPS and robotic tractors on farms.

"Jobs" as we understand them will soon be obsolete.

I recommend "The End of Work" to the naysayers. Way ahead of its time.

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I don't think we need to change our immigration policy or add any new laws regarding immigration.  I think we should strictly enforce the ones we have.

You are aware that it is a felony to hire an illegal alien.
You are aware that it is a misdemeanor to be an illegal alien.
Have you ever made a citizens arrest of one of the felons who hires illegal aliens?
Your post do not seem to focus on the felon but rather on the non felon...why?

My grandfather came to this country, an immigrant escaping what he felt was limited opportunity in his own country.  He didn't get food stamps or welfare. 

Perhaps because there were no food stamps or welfare then?


He didn't sneak in.  He didn't break any laws.  He learned English which in itself is humorous story, and then he worked his ass off and went to school at night.  The proudest day of his life was when he took the oath of citizenship.  He refused to speak Swedish again in his home. 

Many people would consider being multi-lingual to be a mark of an educated person, do you?

I can't think of anyone I know who is against immigrants coming to this country in search of their own ideals.  The blending of cultures and languages made this country unique and in my opinion, strong.

I can olny suggest that you educate yourself about the history of my country.


What I see now is the opposite.  No one wants to obey the laws,

You seem interested in mexicans obeying the misdemeanor laws but don't spend much time castigating the felons who hire them...why?


learn the language

The u.s. has no national language so what you are saying is you want them to learn your language not the language.

or blend their cultures into what we refered to as the 'melting pot'. 

How well did the asain people melt?
How well did the black people melt?
How well did the brown people melt?
History shows us the the white people melted very slowly and then in strata.


People seem to be more interested in being divided into hyphanated groups of victims.

If my neighbor knocked on my door and needed a place to stay, I would take her in and do what I could to help.  If my neighbor broke out my window and climbed in on her own, I'd call the cops.

Then there is the case where you are living in the house that your father stole from the father of your neighbor who broke out the window and climed in on her own.

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But the symbology present in the statue of liberty, does anyone know what the designers meant ?

From http://www.nps.gov/stli/faqs.htm

What does the torch represent? The torch is a symbol of enlightenment. The Statue of Liberty's torch lights the way to freedom showing us the path to Liberty. Even the Statue's official name represents her most important symbol "Liberty Enlightening the World". The Statue's current replacement torch, added in 1986, is a copper flame covered in 24K gold. It is reflective of the sun's rays in daytime and lighted by 16 floodlights at night. The original torch was removed in 1984 and is currently inside the lobby of the monument.

What is written on the Statue's tablet? The tablet of law, held in the Statue's left hand, has the date of American Independence July 4, 1776, written on it in Roman numerals (July IV, MDCCLXXVI).

What do the seven spikes on the Statue's crown represent? The seven seas and continents of the world.

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Yeah Vince,  Lincoln was shot because he obstructed a central bank. 

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Wonderful eye for design the French have. I'm always surprised the statue wasn't pulled down and scrapped during that stupid fuss about the French refusing to fight your wars for you that led to the (hilarious) "freedom fries" fiasco....

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Thnompson I was stating my opinion regarding the initial op and my reasons for my opinion.

Could you just state your opinion and reasons for your opinion without always being on the attack?


You most certianly are entitled to voice your opinion. I simply questioned the bassis of your opinion.

Is there any reason why you would suggest my grandfather and by extension my family are ignorant because he refused to speak Swedish?  You could ask him but he has gone on to another place.

If you and your family don't speak swedish then you clearly are ignorant of how to speak swedish.
Maybe you should look up ignorant in the dictionary...please do not confuse ignorant with stupid.

In the original op there was no discussion on employers of illegal aliens.  The discussion was regarding immigrants.  Where oh where oh where have I ever said employers of illegals should get off the hook?  Ever.  Show me one of my posts on the subject where I said it was okay.

Since your only input into the illegal immigration discussion deals with the symptom and not the cause.
You let employers off the hook by your lack of condemnation of them.

In fact I said "What I see now is the opposite.  No one wants to obey the laws."  How did you interpret "no one" into only mexicans?? 

Because you do not direct your displeasure at anyone except the mexicans.