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RE: Rothschilds: UK should privatize motorway - 5/26/2010 11:10:06 AM

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I guess I dont fully grasp the privatize one area- but nationalize another - only that the peons get screwed.

It's pretty simple.
The UK used to have a large number of essential services that couldn't possibly operate at a profit, and so were underwritten by the taxpayer. Margaret Thatcher (who you might have heard of, she was the Tony Blair to Reagan's Dubya) wasn't taken with this, and set about selling them off to privatye companies who then dismembered them, cut their services to the bone in order to be able to pay out dividends to shareholders rather than actually spending the money that the services were generating on improving them. The money that was saved on the tax revenues was then used to bribe the electorate with tax cuts before the two elections the sow won.

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RE: Rothschilds: UK should privatize motorway - 5/26/2010 11:11:40 AM

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I guess I dont fully grasp the privatize one area- but nationalize another - only that the peons get screwed.

It's pretty simple.
The UK used to have a large number of essential services that couldn't possibly operate at a profit, and so were underwritten by the taxpayer. Margaret Thatcher (who you might have heard of, she was the Tony Blair to Reagan's Dubya) wasn't taken with this, and set about selling them off to privatye companies who then dismembered them, cut their services to the bone in order to be able to pay out dividends to shareholders rather than actually spending the money that the services were generating on improving them. The money that was saved on the tax revenues was then used to bribe the electorate with tax cuts before the two elections the sow won.

Why do you put up with it?

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RE: Rothschilds: UK should privatize motorway - 5/26/2010 11:16:49 AM

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For the same reason as you put up with Obama. An elected government is an elected government, whether you like it or not.

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RE: Rothschilds: UK should privatize motorway - 5/26/2010 11:21:40 AM

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but there is 6 billion of us. and 8 of "them".

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RE: Rothschilds: UK should privatize motorway - 5/26/2010 11:31:01 AM

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That isn't the principle a modern democracy runs on, you'll find. People get the governments they deserve, by and large.

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RE: Rothschilds: UK should privatize motorway - 5/26/2010 11:38:38 AM

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You make a good point.

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RE: Rothschilds: UK should privatize motorway - 5/26/2010 11:46:41 AM

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I have to give this plan credit, an ingenious plan: have the government pay the tolls, instead of the individual driver.

In the end, though, drivers and taxpayers do get hurt. Among other reasons, toll roads prevent road construction. Here in California, Caltrans (the government freeway agency) was prohibited from widening the 91 freeway because it would compete with toll lanes on the same freeway. They ended up having to buy back the toll lanes.

Even so, the toll road operators are going bankrupt because drivers for the most part refuse to use them. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/23/south-bay-expressway-builders-file-chapter-11/

Actually, it seems that the CA toll roads were a fraud on investors (and cities) to begin with. The Foothill TCA (operating the 73 toll road in Orange County) is accused of vastly overstating traffic estimates and therefore revenue numbers. Now they regularly receive taxpayer money just to keep them out of bankruptcy.

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Rothschilds: UK should privatize motorway

why not?

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RE: Rothschilds: UK should privatize motorway - 5/26/2010 11:49:07 AM

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I heard you can meet singles on the 91.

We are fighting i80 becoming toll here in PA.

My issue is not the toll but the price of it. 6x more then OH, 8x that of IN.

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RE: Rothschilds: UK should privatize motorway - 5/26/2010 12:02:34 PM

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The Rothschilds should keep their noses out of our business, except that it likely is their business, quite literally.

The public will not stand for road tolls, end of.

But the UK is missing out on a trick in that every other country in Europe charges foreign trucks to use their motorways. Given the numbers of foreign trucks coming into the UK and driving around the place, a simple vignette system such as operated in Benelux and Denmark could be a good revenue earner, and at about £5-00 per day not be an onerous burden on the truckers, especially right now when the shortage of vehicles (all down to the credit crisis) is pushing prices to levels unthought of.

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RE: Rothschilds: UK should privatize motorway - 5/26/2010 12:11:34 PM

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Truckers here- the state tolls vary.

My grampa did not have the IL sticker- so it was cost prohibitive to take any load that way

i am not sure the issue is as simple as taxing the trucks.

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RE: Rothschilds: UK should privatize motorway - 5/26/2010 12:31:08 PM

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But motorways, I believe the public purse paid for them, therefore they cannot be sold off to a buyer who wished to charge us for using them, if they are sold, then they are being sold by persons who do not own them.

I remember that objection being cited whenever the last two Tory governments privatised a public service: it seems particularly germane to british rail being broken up and sold off in the mid '90s.

And everything that has been privatised before, you know, the crown jewels of the people, has turned to shit. So much said about how it would increase competition so the customer gets a better service, well, er, that happened for a while, but the small players dropped out leaving the big players, and in some cases a big player who just thinks shareholders and profit, stuff the customer, being no viable competition they can just like it or lump it. And so we see important things like energy keep on climbing to a point many struggle to afford and water services where more water is leaked into the ground than comes out of taps(faucets).

I heard recently someone has put a price on Stonehenge, seems that will be up for sale soon.

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RE: Rothschilds: UK should privatize motorway - 5/26/2010 12:55:44 PM

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Optomistic ain't they?

Cons are right by british standards, but not THAT right. I also like the way 20,000 is classed as 'barely scraping a living'. IIRC the AVERAGE wage is less than that.

Well my personal experience is that in my life in Germany we had a much bigger middle class in regards to income (not saying that I can back this up with statistics, but that's how it feels to me)....whereas over here it feels for me more that you either have little or a lot (though I know "lot" depends on the individual definition)...but in general with most jobs back home I have - IMO - a nice middle income...whereas over here....it ain't that easy to have an income with which you can live as comfortable and get as far as I used to back home with my middle-income-job...if that makes sense to anyone

In part.

I was offered a job in your part of the world when I was working for British Aerospace......similar roles and responsibilities and a good £15k short of what I was getting paid in this country - now bear in mind I was 28 so the margins would surely be less persuasive at 36. So I was sort of philosophically baffled as to why they'd offer me such a job knowing my salary and the response was: "well....you know.....they're environmentally friendly over there and errr".....which was semi useful but didn't really help my bank balance. It's fair to say I wasn't exactly enthused at the prospect of trading in £15k for a view of a row of solar powered terraced houses.....that and the prospect of learning your language......which is harsh on the ear and more direct than a kick in the nuts. So...."you know what....I'll swerve it".

I do believe however you have an impressive array of sexual deviants over there....both in numbers and quality.......this hadn't come to my attention when offered the job though.

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RE: Rothschilds: UK should privatize motorway - 5/26/2010 1:07:57 PM

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Optomistic ain't they?

Cons are right by british standards, but not THAT right. I also like the way 20,000 is classed as 'barely scraping a living'. IIRC the AVERAGE wage is less than that.

Well my personal experience is that in my life in Germany we had a much bigger middle class in regards to income (not saying that I can back this up with statistics, but that's how it feels to me)....whereas over here it feels for me more that you either have little or a lot (though I know "lot" depends on the individual definition)...but in general with most jobs back home I have - IMO - a nice middle income...whereas over here....it ain't that easy to have an income with which you can live as comfortable and get as far as I used to back home with my middle-income-job...if that makes sense to anyone

In part.

I was offered a job in your part of the world when I was working for British Aerospace......similar roles and responsibilities and a good £15k short of what I was getting paid in this country - now bear in mind I was 28 so the margins would surely be less persuasive at 36. So I was sort of philosophically baffled as to why they'd offer me such a job knowing my salary and the response was: "well....you know.....they're environmentally friendly over there and errr".....which was semi useful but didn't really help my bank balance. It's fair to say I wasn't exactly enthused at the prospect of trading in £15k for a view of a row of solar powered terraced houses.....that and the prospect of learning your language......which is harsh on the ear and more direct than a kick in the nuts. So...."you know what....I'll swerve it".

Lol...never thought I would laugh at one of your posts

I do get your point (I think), now if I would have a mortgage here for example and would have to put up with such a cut in salary in Germany...I understand that doesn't feel right and certainly not good...however, as a support worker (as mentioned in the past where we have to undergo a 4 year apprentice ship to be able to work in that job independently later, once we passed all the exams) we earn at home about 1200-1300 euro...which was (at the previous euro exchange rate) 800 pound...needless to say that 800 pound a month does not get you anywhere over here, that just covers my rent for my 1 bedroom flat without water, etc....once I have to pay council tax again when uni is over...

However, back home 1200-1300 Euro salary per month does bring you reasonable far as with that salary I have had my car, holidays and a 2 bedroom flat...simply general cost of living is a lot cheaper at home (yeah I know in other parts of the UK it is cheaper, too, then down here)....but still...once I leave I certainly won't miss to pay damn council tax on top of rent every single month...and therefore the salaries are lower...before I became a support worker back home I did an office apprentice ship where I earned 1k euro a month...at that time I lived in a rather expensive area of Germany where my 2 bedroom flat did cost me 400 euro....but that was inclusive all bills and still...I could afford to have my car and holidays....which isn't quite the case here...

and yep...our language is direct, so am I told

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RE: Rothschilds: UK should privatize motorway - 5/26/2010 1:31:10 PM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_Tax

WHAT??? I read it and it sounds like it is messed up. In simple terms- how much is this for someone min wage??

Oh wait- it sounds like a property tax... but even if one rents. how odd.

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RE: Rothschilds: UK should privatize motorway - 5/26/2010 1:53:30 PM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_Tax

WHAT??? I read it and it sounds like it is messed up. In simple terms- how much is this for someone min wage??

Oh wait- it sounds like a property tax... but even if one rents. how odd.

welcome to my current world

Council tax is not dependent on minimum wage...it does not matter how much I earn I will always have to pay 220 dollar per month on top of my rent (once my excemption time is over when I finish uni) for the "glorious" counciltax.

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RE: Rothschilds: UK should privatize motorway - 5/26/2010 1:58:12 PM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_Tax

WHAT??? I read it and it sounds like it is messed up. In simple terms- how much is this for someone min wage??

Oh wait- it sounds like a property tax... but even if one rents. how odd.

It is a property tax and is paid by the occupier of the property whether they own or rent. It covers essential services like rubbish disposal and payment towards local police and fire service, street lighting etc.

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RE: Rothschilds: UK should privatize motorway - 5/26/2010 2:01:53 PM

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It's the council tax, pays for the local council....you're not not using the local services (fire department for example) just because you rent.

It's been lib-dem policy for ages to work it as a local income tax, rather than based on the size of your house....but the way it is now has useful side effects, and the local income tax scheme could have really strange effects, like having to have large % on the lowest band in poor areas.

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RE: Rothschilds: UK should privatize motorway - 5/26/2010 2:06:31 PM

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Is this instead of the owner paying a property tax??

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RE: Rothschilds: UK should privatize motorway - 5/26/2010 2:10:07 PM

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apparently their sewer, water and whatever bill is considered as a tax there, same bill we have here, different names.

I assume because there is owt way to hook a meter to some of them old rickety 10th century thatch huts there. Even the new ones.

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RE: Rothschilds: UK should privatize motorway - 5/26/2010 2:12:08 PM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_Tax

WHAT??? I read it and it sounds like it is messed up. In simple terms- how much is this for someone min wage??

Oh wait- it sounds like a property tax... but even if one rents. how odd.

welcome to my current world

Council tax is not dependent on minimum wage...it does not matter how much I earn I will always have to pay 220 dollar per month on top of my rent (once my excemption time is over when I finish uni) for the "glorious" counciltax.

twice a year we get property tax here.

they go by mills of how much the house is worth.

most pay in monthly installments to the bank. (as a escrow)

renters do not pay it- since the rent contains the cost of the tax.

PA- parts of it have a "occupational assessment tax", and a per capita tax.

per capita is no big deal.

but the occupational assessment is a joke- there are in many times exemptions out of it tho. but that has only occurred lately. the bummer was being assessed at 2 addresses that you lived. both want the money- and wont concede that you live in another jurisdiction.

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