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Are you mentally ill ? - 5/26/2010 6:21:30 AM   
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I am beginning to notice quite a disturbing trend with fora, a situation where if a person has an unusual viewpoint, they can be accused of being mentaly ill, just what is this all about ?

As far as I am aware the only people who can diagnose mental illness are the psychiatry profession, not any other, despite what they think they know or have read, so what is it with people, is this accusation of mental illness a means of destabilising an other in a conversation or what ?

Could it be because of the work of the psychiatric establishment more and more differences are being discovered and those differences applied where necessary, people, the general public like to see these differences in people all around them ?

Why is it, I ask of those who are keen to suggest mental illness in others, what do you get from it, is it a feeling of superiority by the dumbing down of  another based upon a self belief, or is it you do genuinely care for that individual ?

Is it even just an act of obfuscation, by the labelling of others with a malady, you automatically get the moral high ground?

Is this the new weapon to discredit others in debate and conversation ?

But there is one good thing out of this drive to discover and label mental illness, for the more advanced the professionals become, no doubt the more labels will be created and with that a majority might form, a majority of those classed as mentally ill until such a point they hold up their hands and surrender with the ultimate understanding that every single one of us is either mentally ill, or just plain different and that is the be all and end all of it.

We then of course have to learn to accept our differences.


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RE: Are you mentally ill ? - 5/26/2010 6:25:12 AM   
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Key word.

Thomas Edison.

He was thought to be.

But imagine if he chose to shut up?

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RE: Are you mentally ill ? - 5/26/2010 7:17:19 AM   
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Well, I actually complained about Mod 11, for suggesting that I need help. I know I am extremely radical but to suggest that this is a defect in my mental makeup is quite Orwellian to say the least. Of course I have to admit that I really may be stark raving mad, nobody here is going to be able to diagnose it. In fact I do not appreciate the insinuation, especially when half the people insinuating are probably on some antidepressant or something.

In a broader sense though, this problem is prevalent in more places than just here. To be true, I could easily be diagnosed with clinical depression right now, but my kind does not take to that shit. In my family we all had problems, but we learned and grew our way out of them.

Just a quick synopsis of the situation so you know where I am coming from here. I am 49, never thought I would make it this far. Abused myself in the past and cheated myself out of some of my health that way. Last year I was exposed to black mold and have still not recovered fully. I am going blind and am very limited in my abitily to work or drive. I just got my seventh DUI a couple of weeks ago. My credit has gone down from absolutely perfect to absolutely nothing. I have filed for disability. I am finding it difficult to use the lawyer I want for the bankrupcy because of money problems, and I don't want to lose my house.

I light of all this if you think I am supposed to be happy right now I would contend that you, not I, are the one in need of medication. I would rather have my wits about me to solve these problems. Everyone thinks a pill is the solution, I was taught otherwise.

As far as the allegation of mental ilness on the part of the posters et alii, I think it mainly a matter of projection (in the psychological sense). In a clinical diagnosis, after studying quite a bit of psychology, I do indeed think that fully half of the population of the US are borderline manic depressive, which has been renamed bipolar lately. But I also believe that most of this phenomenon is due to immaturity. So many have had it so good. I have been in life and death situations, homeless and living under a bush in front of a church, and later had to dig all the way to the back of the freezer to find some year old freezer burnt meat to make something to eat, as it was that or skip the house payment.

And how the hell is someone supposed to remain happy as a lark knowing of the human suffering going on in the world, which is mostly caused by Man's inhumanity to Man ? Perhaps what "they" call insanity is what is really sane, and vice versa. That is my viewpoint.

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RE: Are you mentally ill ? - 5/26/2010 7:22:25 AM   
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Aneirin, my first thought is to answer your questions with a couple of questions.

If people are perceiving you, through your words, as being mentally unstable, wouldn't you like to be aware of it?

Do the mentally unstable always realize they are mentally unstable or do they just see themselves as different, in some way?


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RE: Are you mentally ill ? - 5/26/2010 7:23:57 AM   
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quote:

As far as I am aware the only people who can diagnose mental illness are the psychiatry profession, not any other


While I agree with this, I have to say that some of the posters on here are a bit obvious in their mental state. Now that may mean that they need professional help or it may mean they came on here to fuck with people. I have to admit that I hope a few are really just fucking with us, because the idea that they are out there reproducing is just scary. Now why someone would choose to point this out to the person in question? Could be a lot of reasons which you outlined in your 4th paragraph. I can't say for sure. 


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RE: Are you mentally ill ? - 5/26/2010 7:43:16 AM   
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While I wouldn't exactly say that I'm keen on it, I'll absolutely say that I'm guilty of it.  If someone comes to these boards and says that they have been institutionalized for their mental health, I'm not going to discard that fact entirely, especially if I'm wondering on My side of the screen if they really have progressed from the state that got them there.  I can't say how things work where you are, but here, they have a phrase that happens all too often associated with health care.  It's called "treat 'em and street 'em".  The reasons for this lovely little phrase are varied and usually aren't linked to the person's treatment.  It has to do with the number of beds, or the resources, or the financial issues.  It can come down to just making a choice between which person is more severe.  Downright apathy can happen, too.

As bad as that might sound, ask anybody who is any field related to health care in the country that I live in, and they will tell you that it is true.  I actually don't blame the health care system here for this.  Even in other places where the citizens don't pay for their own health care, there's still the same problem.  If you have twenty-nine patients, and twenty-eight beds, one of them is going home.  (They might get to go to another facility, but that's only if they have a bed.)

So where do you think they go?  The people who would do much better with a thirty day or ninety day in patient program, but either couldn't get it or wouldn't get it?  Not every person who may not even be legally sane is under a bridge somewhere.  If they are just squeaking past the borderline, showing at least the capacity to pay bills, they really are going to the home they have, even though they need treatment.  Oddly enough, that criteria can be one of the very things that makes them a good candidate not to get a spot.  They seem to be functioning.

For the sake of the discussion, I'm going ask you, OP, to accept that what I've said in the above is true.  With over a million people who have accounts on CM, do you think it's possible that some of those people are here?


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RE: Are you mentally ill ? - 5/26/2010 7:50:55 AM   
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Lady,

they put them on greyhound buses.   All month.

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RE: Are you mentally ill ? - 5/26/2010 9:06:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin
I am beginning to notice quite a disturbing trend with fora, a situation where if a person has an unusual viewpoint, they can be accused of being mentaly ill, just what is this all about ?


Unusual viewpoint, probably not.  Suggestions of self harm, criminal behavior or a history of diagnosis and treatment for mental illness are more likely to be at the top of the list.   More subtle signs may include severe and persistent deficiencies in social ability, perception and interaction.


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As far as I am aware the only people who can diagnose mental illness are the psychiatry profession, not any other, despite what they think they know or have read, so what is it with people, is this accusation of mental illness a means of destabilising an other in a conversation or what ?


It may certainly be used as a social ploy to discredit someone with whom you disagree, whether or not you believe it to be the case in fact.  The implications of casually using as such are indeed disturbing.

While I doubt that anyone is much inclined to post their resume on the site, we certainly do have members of that profession in our ranks.  However, even a qualified medical professional cannot offer a reliable diagnosis let alone treatment on an Internet chat site, nor may a professional ethically make this attempt.


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Why is it, I ask of those who are keen to suggest mental illness in others, what do you get from it, is it a feeling of superiority by the dumbing down of  another based upon a self belief, or is it you do genuinely care for that individual ?


If the solution to a problem is ethically complicated because the person creating that problem may not be fully aware of or able to control the behaviors that are at issue, then that needs to be taken into account so that right action may proceed.  Information is good for problem solving.  More information and more input is better.

I can't speak for anyone else, but my personal logic tends to be a cold one.  Ethics and problem solving motivates me.  Caring generally does not, particularly when strangers are involved.   I'm not an emotional person, and it consistently confuses me when others around me assume either a positive or negative emotional motivation for what I say or do, or read some emotional subtext in my language or behavior that I'm not aware of either feeling or communicating.  I am a literal creature, and if you try to read anything beyond face value into my words or actions, it's going to confuse me and probably end in a serious mismatch of communication.  What you see is what you get.  There is no more. 

When I say something factual to convey and discuss information, and it is interpreted metaphorically or emotionally, I am occasionally tempted to pull out the infamous line from Pulp Fiction.  "English, motherfucker.  Do you speak it?"   I generally try to be more courteous than that, but this is what it actually feels like to communicate with people on the neurotypical spectrum when you're on the autistic side.  Which I am.


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But there is one good thing out of this drive to discover and label mental illness, for the more advanced the professionals become, no doubt the more labels will be created and with that a majority might form, a majority of those classed as mentally ill until such a point they hold up their hands and surrender with the ultimate understanding that every single one of us is either mentally ill, or just plain different and that is the be all and end all of it.


One of the nicer recent advances in neuropsychiatry is the prevalence of people with alternatively functioning brains, most notably scholars on the autistic spectrum, being the ones writing the definitions these days.  Some forms of different brain wiring are not illness so much as evolutionary remnants of functional polymorphic strategies for human neural architecture, and can reasonably be classified as primarily eufunctional.  Others cannot, because they do cause significant dysfunction in standard life skills.  Some conditions are a tradeoff between eufunction and dysfunction, where social skills may be impacted but other skills are extremely high functioning. 

I would absolutely not trade my differently wired brain for a "normal" brain despite some difficulty relating to and communicating with people who are neurotypical.  I like my wiring.  It serves me very well.  I don't consider myself mentally ill.  I do consider "mentally ill" to be a reasonable label for conditions that are significantly dysfunctional to the people who suffer from them, as defined by the DSM.


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RE: Are you mentally ill ? - 5/26/2010 9:13:33 AM   
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Which DSM?


I doubt the newest one will suit.  5??

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RE: Are you mentally ill ? - 5/26/2010 9:20:47 AM   
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My mental health is outstanding!


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RE: Are you mentally ill ? - 5/26/2010 9:31:30 AM   
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I see 3 reasons.
1. Because it is the easy answer.
2. Because jumping on bandwagons can be a nice party.
3. Because the information presented (usually one side) suggests illness.

In the time I have been here I have only seen 2 people I would deem mentally ill. Those people engage in the same behavior over and over (usually on the extreme side) and cannot understand why the results are always bad. It is amazing how many "normal" people fit into that behavior, but these people I have in mind had other unique ideas that kicked them over the top.

Most of the other so called mentally ill people I have watched on CM are just socially inept, ignorant, or the sort that enjoy instigating controversy. Why people engage them in topics, I have no clue.

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RE: Are you mentally ill ? - 5/26/2010 9:36:06 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

My mental health is outstanding!


If you disagree, I will kill you



chop me up too?

en put me in a freezer?

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RE: Are you mentally ill ? - 5/26/2010 10:28:30 AM   
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I AM mentally ill, and I recognise the symptoms I have when off my meds in a few other posters (one of whom has admitted to being on meds...but not to taking the prescribed dosage) and thus I make the assumption that they may be as well.

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RE: Are you mentally ill ? - 5/26/2010 10:32:44 AM   
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The word insane (and similarly, retarded) is often used casually as an exaggerator, with little regard to the technical definition. Exageration, particularly when dealing with extremely stupid people/ideas, is fairly normal...and I don't think calling someone an insane retard when the're merely a delusional dullard is a particularly big problem.

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RE: Are you mentally ill ? - 5/26/2010 11:04:10 AM   
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Absolutely!

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RE: Are you mentally ill ? - 5/26/2010 11:20:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig
I AM mentally ill

I do not consider you mentally ill. You are a dominant with an interesting mind.

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RE: Are you mentally ill ? - 5/26/2010 11:23:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig

I AM mentally ill, and I recognise the symptoms I have when off my meds in a few other posters (one of whom has admitted to being on meds...but not to taking the prescribed dosage) and thus I make the assumption that they may be as well.



People really need to be more like me and learn how to OBEY.

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RE: Are you mentally ill ? - 5/26/2010 11:25:49 AM   
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RE: Are you mentally ill ? - 5/26/2010 11:27:27 AM   
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LMAO!    TY  Jefff

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RE: Are you mentally ill ? - 5/26/2010 11:56:32 AM   
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One doesnt need to be qualified as a psychologist or psychiatrist in order to be able to discern dysfunctional behaviour that is affecting the ability of a person to interact socially in a satisactory or healthy way, including by way of an online medium.

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