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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

If I ever get this beligerent and mean spirited and condescending, please somebody promise to tell me.

Thank you.

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

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You have (once again) presumed, and were (once again) wrong.

So what, does it get you off, me being wrong?

Also, most of people  here, including newcomers are pretty much comfortable with what they are and with most aspects of BDSM.
They don't cause any controversy, that's why they are respected. Or they are already in a relationship, which makes them less interested about other relationships
because they are focused on their own.
The fact that I am not and that I have had many real objections which I stated boldly, simply makes me an easier target for criticism.
If I wanted to stay respected, I would be able to do so. But this wasn't my aim. My aim was challenging things, learning and understanding.
I have yet to decide for myself will I pursue BDSM at all or not.
Also I don't have much hopes about fining actual partner over CM (at least not yet), so my image on forum is not of that importance to me.

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

Silence8, if you'd like to read some of my philosophy-in-thought positions, you could browse my posts in the BDSM Critical Theory group on FetLife, which I cofounded with two other people.  I express myself on this message board primarily with philosophy-in-action.

A friend, another cofounder of that group, posted here once and didn't find the responses of the intellectual type she was hoping to connect with.  So she went to FL, and didn't find what she wanted there, either.  So, she asked me and another friend if the three of us could start a group there, so we did.  That's what people who are honestly looking for a particular discourse do.  They find it, or create it.

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot
I am beginning to think that for young people it is better to lie about their age and level of experience, and this is the only way for them to be taken seriously.

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If I invented the stories about 3 intensive D/s relationships in which I was and said that I am 43, many people would actually believe in the great part of my theory.

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I appreciate the fact that Rochsub appreciates my honesty. But I am really wondering if honesty is really that important.

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot
I am beginning to think that for young people it is better to lie about their age and level of experience, and this is the only way for them to be taken seriously.

Incorrect. It never occurred to me to wonder or care about your age. What got you in trouble on these boards was pontificating. I clearly don't feel the same as the many other posters. Your pontificating still annoyed me, but I thought maybe you'd work your way through it... which I think you are.

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If I invented the stories about 3 intensive D/s relationships in which I was and said that I am 43, many people would actually believe in the great part of my theory.

No, I didn't believe large parts of many of your theories because my own life contradicted them. In the end, nobody can propose a theory that is directly proved wrong and expect me to believe it. Besides, this is collarme. People make up crap all the time. We're all used to it.

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I appreciate the fact that Rochsub appreciates my honesty. But I am really wondering if honesty is really that important.

Well, god knows that this is the internet. There is a ton of lying and deception that goes on all the time. I think the real question is whether you want to join in on it or not.

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

LOL god I love you Roch, always intelligent, always polite, always willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt over and over, but...definitely willing to throw yourself in the gutter with gusto when need be!

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ORIGINAL: Silence8
That could be interesting.

I'll have to create an account, and check it out later tonight.

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ORIGINAL: Silence8

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

If I ever get this beligerent and mean spirited and condescending, please somebody promise to tell me.

Thank you.

Yeah, see your above '$5000 paper' comment.

Ayn Rand. Zen. Jonathan Livingston Seagull.

Belligerent.

Chocolate Laxative, anyone?

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: Silence8
That could be interesting.

I'll have to create an account, and check it out later tonight.

Haven't you already created a 'deflection' account?   One that is just here to reply to the forums?  Didn't you already ensure that no one could see you, because there is anger and hatred in you?

Hey, if you don't have the balls to spout your venom while being your authentic self, that's your problem.  It is not an issue that I share.

Why do you hide?  Is it because your intellectual self has not reconciled with your emotional self.  Why, in your personal, not political dealings, are you so afraid of being discovered?  A philosopher you might be.  Yet, you at the core are an angry young man, who has not experienced life.  Bitter, frustrated, isolated.

I don't suffer fools well.  Not even the intelligent ones.

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

Allthatjaz, I am really impressed by your honesty and by your real attempt to understanf my theory and to relato to this, even if you don't agree with some points.
Dear God, that's the only thing that I expected from other people too. To constructively say their opinions about the theory and to honestly discuss it. Of all these posters you are the only one who really did this. I congratulate you!

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This whole post is just like so many attempts to try to put all of this that we do...into words on a computer screen. if everybody who came to the net thinking of this life style and what one must call...the kinky, sexual fetishes and read most of this Internet crap and believed it, they would leave in a heartbeat.

There is nothing in this post whatsoever that need be considered the truth about D/s for those just coming to the net. This is just more of what we see on these boards and at these sites in general that lecturers use...jargon & footnotes. (without the footnotes)

There is little that is universal about peoples' internal make-ups either here or in vanilla life.

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Human nature is the concept that there is a set of inherent distinguishing characteristics, including ways of thinking, feeling and acting, that humans tend to have.

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

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This whole post is just like so many attempts to try to put all of this that we do...into words on a computer screen. if everybody who came to the net thinking of this life style and what one must call...the kinky, sexual fetishes and read most of this Internet crap and believed it, they would leave in a heartbeat.

There is nothing in this post whatsoever that need be considered the truth about D/s for those just coming to the net. This is just more of what we see on these boards and at these sites in general that lecturers use...jargon & footnotes. (without the footnotes)

There is little that is universal about peoples' internal make-ups either here or in vanilla life.

I disagree.

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Human nature is the concept that there is a set of inherent distinguishing characteristics, including ways of thinking, feeling and acting, that humans tend to have.

This is something that is in common to ALL people.
Based on the understanding of human nature, the reasons for some, at first sight, unusual patterns of behavior can be explained.

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

A friend, another cofounder of that group, posted here once and didn't find the responses of the intellectual type she was hoping to connect with.  So she went to FL, and didn't find what she wanted there, either.  So, she asked me and another friend if the three of us could start a group there, so we did.  That's what people who are honestly looking for a particular discourse do.  They find it, or create it.  They don't remain in the non-situation saying, "All the rest of you suck."

This message board is what it is.  Since there are no Fet-type groups, people from all educational backgrounds and walks of life read the same threads and comment on the same topics.  The only glue that binds us together is our actual experience with the topic under discussion.  If you discount the experience that others bring to the table, by talking down to them or calling them anti-intellectual when they are actually pro-reality, you only demonstrate your lack of understanding of the institutional character of a medium set up in this way.

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

Sunshine your theory even if it might be true is so obvious, that it lacks any insight and depth whatsoever.