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RE: Plug the damn hole!!! - 5/28/2010 3:59:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fair enough. It just struck me that he could probably veto wasting their time like this and let them get on with plugging the hole, if he wanted to.

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RE: Plug the damn hole!!! - 5/28/2010 4:06:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Who are you talking about? Obama? You think Obama has the power to tell Congress to stop pandering to a public that is being inflamed by the media? I did hear on CNN yesterday that Obama summoned members of the media from Fox and MSNBC to the White House and basically told them to knock it off and stop producing the sensationalized stories that were vilanizing BP and the entire oil industry without the proper facts. I don't think he can do the same with Congress, though.

T Boone was right - BP is being indicted in the court of public opinion and we don't yet have all the facts.

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RE: Plug the damn hole!!! - 5/28/2010 4:15:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not sure about Congress, but his predecessor never seemed to have any trouble placing the Senate under heavy manners, and that seems to be where most of the bitching about this is coming from, and never gave a flying fuck about what the public thought.

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RE: Plug the damn hole!!! - 5/28/2010 4:17:01 PM   
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RE: Plug the damn hole!!! - 5/28/2010 4:45:53 PM   
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RE: Plug the damn hole!!! - 5/29/2010 10:53:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Another update on the top kill - looks like it's just about all over but the crying. They've stopped again. Same problem as before, just can't get the mud into the hole faster than  the oil can wash it out. It's not going to work unless they can get the junk shot to choke the leaks down a bit, and that one doesn't seem to work either.

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The technician working on the project said Saturday pumping has again been halted and a review of the data so far is under way. “Right now, I would not be optimistic,” the technician, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak publicly about the effort. But he added, that if another attempt at the junk shot were to succeed, “that would turn things around.” The technician said Friday that despite all the injections, at various pressure levels, engineers had been able to keep less than 10 percent of the injection fluids inside the stack of pipes above the well. He said that was barely an improvement on the results Wednesday, when the operation began and was suspended after about 10 hours. “I won’t say progress was zero, but I don’t know if we can round up enough mud to make it work,” said another technician on the project. “Everyone is disappointed at this time.”


Oh, Well, So  Much For That Idea

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RE: Plug the damn hole!!! - 5/29/2010 1:31:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now it's official, they're calling it a day. Next step is to cut off the riser pipe and try to put a cap on it. If they cut off the crimped pipe but can't get the cap on, they run the risk of making the leak much  worse. If this one doesn't work, I guess it's goodbye to the Gulf Coast seafood industry for the next generation or two.

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A source told The Times-Picayune that officials would announce the failure of the top kill option at a 4 p.m. Saturday briefing in Robert .


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RE: Plug the damn hole!!! - 5/29/2010 1:37:55 PM   
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RE: Plug the damn hole!!! - 5/29/2010 4:51:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well it looks like BP bused in people to work on the clean-up while O'bama was in town, and now they are gone.  BP says it did not stage it, it just sort of happened

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/05/29/bp-buses-workers/


On another note, did anyone hear this scientist on NPR yesterday?  He was talking about the clean-up effort and all they are really trying to do is get the oil to disperse and sink, because if a Hurricane hits while it is on the surface or floating below the surface, it will basically cover everything on land with an oil film and to untold damage to every living thing, including people in the area who will breathe in the oil mist during the storm

And one more thing, why is everyone only looking to the USA, I thought it was a British company, why are they not cracking down on BP

and when was the last time you bought gas at BP

Now back to your regular thread, sorry for the tread jump, but I just started rambling


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RE: Plug the damn hole!!! - 5/29/2010 4:55:25 PM   
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Osama is in charge.


PaHunk, that's what he said on thursday!
So, now it's his fault I guess!

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RE: Plug the damn hole!!! - 5/29/2010 5:54:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		In case anyone is interested, I would suggest you do a google on the Ixtoc I oil spill of 1979.   That was in 200 feet of water, the rig was a push up type operated by Sedco Drilling, (which became Transocean) and went on for 9 months before it was finally killed by a relief well.

Strangely enough, they tried the "Dome" containment, called by the Mexican government "Operation Sombrero," followed by injecting metal, rubber and other stuff into the well, followed by the "top kill" technique.  None of which worked.

Why is it that everything that failed in 200 feet of water 31 years ago was expected to work today in 5000 feet of water.

The truth of the matter is that while the technology that allows for deep water drilling has advanced, our ability to stop a major spill due to a blow out has not changed since 1979?

In Canada and other countries, at the same time the primary exploratory well is being drilled, the relief well is drilled at the same time.  The United States has failed to take into consideration the possibility of a major accident and failed to put regulations in place to deal with such a catastrophe.

President Bush lifted the ban on offshore drilling during his time in office and now we are paying for the Republican/Big Oil greed.  The fact that the MMS was not only giving the oil companies blank checks when it came to authorizing leases (again begun under the Bush Administration and not cleaned up and stopped during the present administration)


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RE: Plug the damn hole!!! - 5/29/2010 11:10:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks jlf for the research.

Its too late for me to do it, but does anyone know if anyone has ever fixed an oil well blowout like this in 5000 feet of water?

Or are we at the edge of our techincal ability?

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RE: Plug the damn hole!!! - 5/29/2010 11:36:05 PM   
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In case anyone is interested, I would suggest you do a google on the Ixtoc I oil spill of 1979.   That was in 200 feet of water, the rig was a push up type operated by Sedco Drilling, (which became Transocean) and went on for 9 months before it was finally killed by a relief well.

Strangely enough, they tried the "Dome" containment, called by the Mexican government "Operation Sombrero," followed by injecting metal, rubber and other stuff into the well, followed by the "top kill" technique.  None of which worked.

Why is it that everything that failed in 200 feet of water 31 years ago was expected to work today in 5000 feet of water.

The truth of the matter is that while the technology that allows for deep water drilling has advanced, our ability to stop a major spill due to a blow out has not changed since 1979?

In Canada and other countries, at the same time the primary exploratory well is being drilled, the relief well is drilled at the same time.  The United States has failed to take into consideration the possibility of a major accident and failed to put regulations in place to deal with such a catastrophe.

President Bush lifted the ban on offshore drilling during his time in office and now we are paying for the Republican/Big Oil greed.  The fact that the MMS was not only giving the oil companies blank checks when it came to authorizing leases (again begun under the Bush Administration and not cleaned up and stopped during the present administration)



Jlf, Clinton would call that, "building a bridge to the 21 st century." Do you believe that some people actually applauded when he said that? They didn't understand it but they applauded anyway. Imagine going to school for 4-6 years just so you can write silliness like that? What does that mean, "building a bridge to the 21 st century? That sounds like some nonsense Ted Kennedy would come up with in a drunken stupor! "Build a briddddgggge, built a fucking bridge and all the plebians can wipe their asses with it!" "Patches!!! Go get Daddy another drink! What do you think you're doing here anyway?"
B.P. was the largest contributor to Obama's campaign. But, he's in charge now! Do you think maybe he was taking a shot that B.P. would succeed and he'd look like a hero? After all it was a 50/50 chance right?
And what, two months, three months ago he said he was going to, "lift the ban on offshore drilling!" Well he did! Of course it had *nothing* to do with the fact that B.P. was his largest contributor,...... did it?
And it's not "our" ability to stop a major oil leak since 1979, it's the" multi-national" oil cos responsability but doing that kind of thing doesn't fatten the bottom line does it?
The "global economy" strikes again.
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RE: Plug the damn hole!!! - 5/29/2010 11:38:31 PM   
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Thanks jlf for the research.

Its too late for me to do it, but does anyone know if anyone has ever fixed an oil well blowout like this in 5000 feet of water?

Or are we at the edge of our techincal ability?


No, nobody ever has. Not even close.

And thus far, we are well beyond the edge of our technical ability. All we can do is pray that sometime over the next few days or weeks, we find a way to push that edge a little further out.


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RE: Plug the damn hole!!! - 5/29/2010 11:49:27 PM   
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In case anyone is interested, I would suggest you do a google on the Ixtoc I oil spill of 1979.   That was in 200 feet of water, the rig was a push up type operated by Sedco Drilling, (which became Transocean) and went on for 9 months before it was finally killed by a relief well.

Strangely enough, they tried the "Dome" containment, called by the Mexican government "Operation Sombrero," followed by injecting metal, rubber and other stuff into the well, followed by the "top kill" technique.  None of which worked.


Yeah, I've posted about Ixtoc I a number of times here over the last few weeks. To my mind, the most relevant aspect of Ixtoc I as it applies to Deepwater Horizon is that this was almost the exact same accident, and they did not learn one goddamned thing from it - including the most glaringly obvious lesson, that being the fact that this sort of accident was possible in the first place. Not only did they fail to learn how to cope with this scenario, they somehow seemed to have managed to avoid learning that this scenario could even happen, because they absolutely were not ready. Which, to me, is nothing short of stupefying. 


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RE: Plug the damn hole!!! - 5/30/2010 5:27:34 AM   
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T Boone was right - BP is being indicted in the court of public opinion and we don't yet have all the facts.


One of the facts we do have is pretty obvious.

They had no adequate plan to contain a leak at those depths and they were obviously aware of this but took the risk of drilling the well regardless.

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RE: Plug the damn hole!!! - 5/30/2010 5:48:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex
Thanks jlf for the research.

Its too late for me to do it, but does anyone know if anyone has ever fixed an oil well blowout like this in 5000 feet of water?

Or are we at the edge of our techincal ability?


Can anyone tell us why we are drilling offshore in the first place?  There's plenty of oil to be had on land.  We don't drill out there because there's more oil, we drill out there because no one has to see the rig.  We want to drive our cars but we don't want to see one of those pump jacks in our backyard.  How many pump jack spills have there been?  How often do we have to deal with well blowouts on land? 

Is it possible this leak will finally get us to wake up regarding our dependancy on oil.. or at least get us to view pump jacks in a different light?

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RE: Plug the damn hole!!! - 5/30/2010 5:54:40 AM   
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Is it possible this leak will finally get us to wake up regarding our dependancy on oil.. or at least get us to view pump jacks in a different light?


No, of course it isn't. Haven't you noticed the rationalisations that people have been bandying about on here for the last three weeks or so?

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RE: Plug the damn hole!!! - 5/30/2010 5:55:18 AM   
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President Bush lifted the ban on offshore drilling during his time in office and now we are paying for the Republican/Big Oil greed.  The fact that the MMS was not only giving the oil companies blank checks when it came to authorizing leases (again begun under the Bush Administration and not cleaned up and stopped during the present administration)



What I really loved was the quote below. 

In the face of all that is happening they are shameless enough to put their arrogance and greed on display.


Oil industry lashes out at drilling ban


By Ben Rooney, staff reporter May 29, 2010: 9:40 PM ET NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com)

The government ban on deep water oil drilling could stifle economic activity and lead to job losses and higher energy prices, an industry group said Friday.

"An extended moratorium on safely producing our oil and natural gas resources from the Gulf of Mexico would create a moratorium on economic growth and job creation," said Jack Gerard, president of the American Petroleum Institute, the main U.S. trade association for the oil and natural gas industry.

And it gets better.

Not only are they objecting to the six-month moratorium they also are opposed to any new safety efforts.

The government also said wells currently being drilled in deep Gulf waters will be required to halt at the first safe stopping point, and then take steps to secure the well.

In addition, the administration suspended planned exploration of two drill sites off the Alaskan coast. It also canceled lease sales off the coast of Virginia and in the Western Gulf because of environmental concerns.

The API's Gerard objected to these measures, saying the additional limits on drilling "have the potential to significantly erode our energy and economic security."





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RE: Plug the damn hole!!! - 5/30/2010 6:09:22 AM   
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Well it looks like BP bused in people to work on the clean-up while O'bama was in town, and now they are gone. BP says it did not stage it, it just sort of happened
riiight...not staged at all.....'course not.

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