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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 6/1/2010 8:19:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		If he has trouble "filtering," the Internet unfortunately has a fairly high percentage of quasi-news that is poorly researched. I suppose it might also exacerbate a short attention span, such as with ADD or ADHD (I have a few friends with those disorders, and they do feel it can have a negative impact, although they still choose to use the Internet). If he's the type that has a hard time saying no to anyone, or is a very impulsive shopper, than exposure to all of the ads might be problematic. Anyway, I don't see anything morally or ethically wrong with a restriction or denial of Internet access, particularly if he is allowed some other form of access to current events and news. Even if there were not such access, someone might willingly choose to be separated from such things, much as many philosophers, religious people, and such have chosen to be alone in order to meditate, and focus on God or Nature or other such things rather than the world around them. If he has contact with other people regularly, he will probably learn about major events from them, in the course of ordinary conversation.

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 6/1/2010 8:32:32 AM   
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If he has contact with other people regularly, he will probably learn about major events from them, in the course of ordinary conversation.


There are things that you can learn only online - because official mass media such as TV, radio, newspapers usually censor such things, also most people are uncomfortable talking about them. So I think that the Internet is the best source of controversial and subversive news and information and also the best source of information about alternative lifestyles, and unusual worldviews which can be political, religious, philosophical, etc.

I think that it is not good to deny someone access to this source of information. If they choose not to go online of their own volition - that's great.
In one occasion I intentionally didn't use neither Internet nor even computer, for almost three months. I felt great and I didn't suffer any bad consequences.
But this was my own decision. I would be very uncomfortable if someone else tried to deny my access to the Internet.


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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 6/1/2010 10:43:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ishyB

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

The words 'a passing black hole' hurt me somewhere deep inside. Physics has done nothing to deserve this abuse.



OMG!
I was totally thinking the same thing.


Yeah, but it'll be egg on your face when they actually discover 'em.





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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 6/1/2010 10:55:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: leadership527
And Silence... honestly... it is blatantly obvious that you cannot actually imagine a personality which is both submissive and healthy. But your lack of imagination does not define reality. Why can't Carol like to submit for all the same reasons you like to debate... namely... because it's her nature (and yours). Honestly, there doesn't need to be a reason for it any more than there needs to be a reason for someone to dominate or someone else to like politics (well, ok, that last one is a bit sketchy in my mind).



It's an interesting dilemma, I'll admit, the dilemma of authority. (To know that an authority is truly authorized, you basically have to assume that authority, in which case, the authority no longer exists. See you loop?)

Respecting authority for authority's sake I think isn't unhealthy per se, but -- how to put this -- it's a ritual.

Respecting that you have 'faith' in authority is justified... that's essential to (some) aspects of (some people's) lives. It's a sign of personal strength to recognize when, for instance, you can learn from an individual, his or her knowledge, experience, et cetera.

But the best authority (outside of D/s relationships, which I recognize are 'special forms') is 'de-authorizing' -- like, for instance, a really great teacher will begin with much authority, but will teach his or her students with such skill that they learn all he or she has to teach, therefore negating the initial authority ('spreading' the authority around.)

I think, maybe D/s is 'pre-reason', which is not necessarily a bad thing, which is why it can be so strong, but I think that society-at-large should ultimately be based on reason. So, to offer a perhaps conservative viewpoint, there should be slightly different rules for the home and for society at large.

I recognize there are some difficulties here. This is I why I sometimes assume a distance to my D/s inclinations, why I tend to think at the end of the day, for me, maybe their being somewhat 'performative' isn't a bad thing.

I might, though, change my mind on this. I'm still ironing things out, as it were.


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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 6/1/2010 11:04:23 AM   
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However, our polite civil society is prone to quick disinegration. This is a concept I learned quickly after a Hurrican ripped through where I was living. People were fighting and rioting over ice and food and charcoal. This blew my mind as a kid that people could turn so violent quickly. I was reminded of this fact, when watching the violence errupt on TV after the Rodney King ordeal. I heard stories of the Chicago riots, almost like it was some strange folklore handed down by adults or those older than me. Seriously, the violence that errupted after hurricane Katrina even. Now, in all these cases thank god that order was eventually restored. However, this should be a good indicator that if in the event things ever happens where the SHIT really hits the fan. Lord knows... one thing is for certain Family first, close friends second, and yeah... anything else and anybody else could go any which way.



In terms of Hurricane Katrina and most natural disasters, the reports of violence erupting have rather conclusively proven greatly to be the wet dreams of corporate media and the government.

Remember when, after the Haiti earthquake, our government sent down troops instead of food?


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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 6/1/2010 12:29:07 PM   
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I don't have one but I know this level 10 bladesinging elf mage that does. Want me to contact her for ya?

In all this time, I had no idea that you played.  LOL.


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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 6/1/2010 1:27:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
I don't have one but I know this level 10 bladesinging elf mage that does. Want me to contact her for ya?

In all this time, I had no idea that you played.  LOL.



I almost named my son Gygax, but then it was a bit over the top. ;) I cannot go home without my kids setting up a game for us to kill, at minimum, a full weekend when I'm there.. and, they have brainwashed the grandkids into playing as well. My oldest grandson got a D&D group (complete with requisite geeky teacher leader) started at school! My daugher is married, but my son is not allowed to date anyone who won't table top it with us. ::grins::

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 6/1/2010 1:44:12 PM   
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The words 'a passing black hole' hurt me somewhere deep inside. Physics has done nothing to deserve this abuse.

I am VINDICATED.

I just checked with my designated astrophysics slave (yup, actual degree in the field). Such an event is possible. Black holes do exist (to the best of our knowledge). They do move in relation to other stellar objects (just as all things do). One could, theoretically pass at exactly the right distance and suck the earth out of it's orbit. All of this is... well... extremely implausible but possible.

So no physics were harmed in the making of that post.

You all owe me some cookies. I prefer oatmeal raisin please.

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 6/1/2010 1:51:51 PM   
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i cant do a thing right.

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 6/1/2010 1:56:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Silence8
It's an interesting dilemma, I'll admit, the dilemma of authority. (To know that an authority is truly authorized, you basically have to assume that authority, in which case, the authority no longer exists. See you loop?)

Nope, I do not see the loop. What, on god's green earth, makes you think that authority is authorized? I can gaurantee you that the authority in my marriage is not "authorized". Let me construct the scenario for you step by step.

We can define power between two people as "the ability to influence and inspire" (not my line, but a good one).
I have "power" over Carol
I have used that power to take a position of authority.
She did not "authorize" it, nor did she "consent" to it. I did it because I wanted to and could.

quote:

Respecting authority for authority's sake I think isn't unhealthy per se, but -- how to put this -- it's a ritual.

Real authority is not "respected". That's like saying "I respect the law of gravity". Yeah, booyah. But whether or not you respect it, if you walk off the edge of a cliff, you're going to fall. If authority needs to be "respected", then it doesn't exist. Perhaps more accurately, only positional authority needs to be respected and I don't count boxes on org charts as real authority or real power.


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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 6/1/2010 1:58:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bestheadyet
i wish a black hole would swallow me whole....like now. i cant do a thing right.

I dunno, can you make oatmeal raisin cookies?

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 6/1/2010 2:04:01 PM   
Jeffff


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Oh...... wait..... nevermind

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 6/1/2010 2:05:06 PM   
bestheadyet


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my problem is i cant seem to follow what im NOT supposed to do.
im so new....i dont know if i'll make it to month 2 of my training. oy

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 6/1/2010 2:08:43 PM   
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Real authority is not "respected". That's like saying "I respect the law of gravity". Yeah, booyah. But whether or not you respect it, if you walk off the edge of a cliff, you're going to fall. If authority needs to be "respected", then it doesn't exist. Perhaps more accurately, only positional authority needs to be respected and I don't count boxes on org charts as real authority or real power.



If you keep saying stuff like that, I'm going to start drooling over you worse then porcelaine has been.

I totally agree with her too, btw... if you ever decide to clone yourself, please send me a copy.

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 6/1/2010 2:10:35 PM   
Jeffff


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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 6/1/2010 2:15:03 PM   
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ty jeffff and jeff


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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 6/1/2010 2:17:14 PM   
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Real authority is not "respected". That's like saying "I respect the law of gravity". Yeah, booyah. But whether or not you respect it, if you walk off the edge of a cliff, you're going to fall. If authority needs to be "respected", then it doesn't exist. Perhaps more accurately, only positional authority needs to be respected and I don't count boxes on org charts as real authority or real power.



Jeff, funny how all this stuff goes, isn't it? When I posted the OP, this was the gist of what I was trying to get to but you nailed it here.

Slavery in the old days was about society, through laws and whatnot, forcing you to respect the authority of your master, who might be a craven old man, a juvenile teenager, or a toothless old crone.

What I seek, and what I think of as slavery in a bdsm context is the exact opposite. With society telling me what I am doing is wrong, even with peers telling me the same message, the only authority I seek is that I kindle like a flame from inside her.

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 6/1/2010 2:17:40 PM   
Jeffff


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This would be between you and him.

If you want an opionion.... I will be more than happy to give you one...:)

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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 6/1/2010 2:26:13 PM   
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opionion.


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RE: Slavery is bullshit - 6/1/2010 2:27:25 PM   
Jeffff


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