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Stockholm Syndrome - 5/29/2010 9:35:21 AM   
BMW1969


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Status: offline 		I am interested in the possible positive side effects of Stockholm Syndrome, and this lifestyle we love.
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RE: Stockholm Syndrome - 5/29/2010 9:38:04 AM   
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RE: Stockholm Syndrome - 5/29/2010 9:39:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps you might expound on what exactly you are looking for. Your question doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

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RE: Stockholm Syndrome - 5/29/2010 10:17:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		You think nonconsentual hostage situations are common in "this life we love"?

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RE: Stockholm Syndrome - 5/29/2010 10:33:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe the OP is thinking of a holiday in Sweden, and is looking for restaurant recommendations?

I was there a couple of years ago - it's absolutely beautiful. Better still, I avoided 'Stockholm syndrome' by sticking to family restaurants frequented by local people.

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RE: Stockholm Syndrome - 5/29/2010 10:44:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BMW1969
I am interested in the possible positive side effects of Stockholm Syndrome, and this lifestyle we love.


Just so we all are clear on the definition of what you mean by "Stockholm Syndrome," here's Wikipedia's definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

If how you are using the term is the same as the Wikipedia definition, then I am not sure if there ever would be such a condition between two consenting adults within "this lifestyle we love."

If your definition is different than Wiki's, perhaps you would care to explain it?

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RE: Stockholm Syndrome - 5/29/2010 11:09:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: leadership527

*loads up a bowl of popcorn to watch this one from the sideines*




Hey! Quit dropping popcorn all over the thread!!!!!!!

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RE: Stockholm Syndrome - 5/29/2010 11:31:29 AM   
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*loads up a bowl of popcorn to watch this one from the sideines*


*slides in beside you and laughs*

It was only a matter of time I suppose.

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RE: Stockholm Syndrome - 5/29/2010 11:48:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		First, I can see where a naive idealist who isn't too well versed on either the Stockholm Syndrome or BDSM might think this would be interesting or could even happen. However, unless you undergo the harsh conditions that one must in order to even have the possibility of developing the Syndrome, you really could never develop it. I don't know anyone who would voluntarily undergo those conditions.

Second, any Dominant or Master worth a damn would want to foster positive feelings of devotion to them. What Dom wants their sub to only serve Him out of pure fear, or guilt? This relationship certainly would not last very long. Especially when the other consenting adult saw a way to move on with their life.

Oh yes, least we forget...the words consenting and voluntarily completely negate the situation needed to set up the conditions for the Stockholm Syndrome in the first place.

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RE: Stockholm Syndrome - 5/29/2010 12:02:45 PM   
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RE: Stockholm Syndrome - 5/29/2010 12:38:08 PM   
BMW1969


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I was more interested in the replies I would get.
I wanted to gauge the general consensus.
Trying to figure out if there is a psychologial shift in the persons involved.


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RE: Stockholm Syndrome - 5/29/2010 12:41:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		A psychological shift? Yes. Stockholm Syndrome, no.



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RE: Stockholm Syndrome - 5/29/2010 12:51:24 PM   
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RE: Stockholm Syndrome - 5/29/2010 12:56:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BMW1969

I am interested in the possible positive side effects of Stockholm Syndrome, and this lifestyle we love.


There is no such thing as Stockholm Syndrome in this lifestyle. Stockholm Syndrome is the result of an abusive, unethical and illegal action. Although I'm very sure we have our share of abusers illegal hostage situations is certainly not WIITWD.

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RE: Stockholm Syndrome - 5/29/2010 1:10:08 PM   
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Trying to figure out if there is a psychologial shift in the persons involved.


Much of that hinges on her belief that it's real and the inevitable transcendence of that fear to a benevolent state.

It's really fear play. Real brainwashing takes time, expertise, and a receptive subject.

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RE: Stockholm Syndrome - 5/29/2010 2:34:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BMW1969
I am interested in the possible positive side effects of Stockholm Syndrome, and this lifestyle we love.

There is no such thing as Stockholm Syndrome in this lifestyle. Stockholm Syndrome is the result of an abusive, unethical and illegal action. Although I'm very sure we have our share of abusers illegal hostage situations is certainly not WIITWD.


The Ironic part of what makes Stockholm Syndrome work...

"The captive sees the perpetrator as showing some degree of kindness. Kindness serves as the cornerstone of Stockholm syndrome; the condition will not develop unless the captor exhibits it in some form toward the hostage. However, captives often misinterpret a lack of abuse as kindness and may develop feelings of appreciation for this perceived benevolence. If the captor is purely evil and abusive, the hostage will respond with hatred. But, if perpetrators show some kindness, victims will submerge the anger they feel in response to the terror and concentrate on the captors’ “good side” to protect themselves"

The above is quoted from the reference link that sappatoti coughed up for people to read.

Now, in terms of Contrast differences between Stockholm Syndrome and M/s relationships. It's pretty clear that the element of Consent is not involved. People simply did not consent to become captives. However, there are certain aspects on the comparitive side that bear some similarity worth exploring in thought for a moment.

In some cases, some people jump head long or feet first into D/s relationships without taking a lot of time getting to know each other. Much can be debated regarding the actual sanity of said people doing it. However, very much so the dynamics that must get established fairly quickly would be similar in nature to the Stockholm Syndrome.

At one time, I was proposition by a prospective submissive to move in 2.5 seconds flat. Light Speed effect, without me knowing much about her or her knowing much about me. This would have involved in instant power exchange and set up conditions in a manner to which elements of the Stockholm Syndrome would apply per se. While not fully the same, very similar in nature. I opted to decline the offer.

People do some pretty amazing things, that circumvent what is within the Norm of reason or logic at times. People are not always rational creatures that fit nicely as round pegs in round holes. It goes against Dogma's, Social Norms, or even the grain of society and so called norms at times.

In terms of making an ethical or moral judgement upon people, it's best to be objective to the given nature of the specific people involved at times.

Clearly the element of consent verses non-consent is a contrast, however there perhaps is some merit in the comparitives that do not contrast given the framework of things.

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RE: Stockholm Syndrome - 5/29/2010 2:41:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		if the abductors brutally murdered or were in the process or about to brutally murder there would be no Stockholm syndrome - the people involved would either retalliate or await their fate in horror - i think the connection therefore between the abductors and abductees during that specific bank robbery was one of empathy - frankly id love to rob a bank, thieves the lot of them! - if my abductor was kind to me, kept me out of harms way, tried to understand my fear and ease it then i would probably help him rob the bloody bank - the thing is i think its all about the human condition, that frailty, that ability to get youreself in a really stupid mess, we all have that capacity, not all of us are going to hold people at gun point its true, but on a much smaller scale, we recognise human frailty because we experience daily.

... and then they were in control of course and to some extent or another, people will submit to that, especially if its in their best interests, submission to the control of another puts you in a vulnerable place and instead of those robbers abusing that vulnerability they rewarded it with kindness - so, in a way i can see where the OP is coming from - the control to the point of absolute vulnerability and drawing from that vulnerability a connection with the very people who should have been repelled.



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RE: Stockholm Syndrome - 5/29/2010 2:48:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BMW1969

I am interested in the possible positive side effects of Stockholm Syndrome, and this lifestyle we love.


The answer to your question is that there are none unless you count being imprisoned for most of the rest of your life a positive side effect.

This comes up every now and then, thus all the popcorn references. <grins> It keeps getting shot down because if there is any sort of slavery involved with the induction of the Stockholm Syndrome it is a totally non-consensual slavery. The main reasons for not going there is that you are doing things that are illegal in most places and second and most importantly is that it doesn't really work and it doesn't last at all once the reinforcement is gone. Also you have to be in effect a slave to your slave to take care of them and reinforce the enslavement on an almost daily basis plus being their full time physical jailor. Is what what you want to spend your pre-prison time doing?

Yes, it looks like enslavement and yes....sorry to the peanut and popcorn gallery, it technically could be called a type of enslavement. However, to repeat, it is not the sort of damage to a person almost anyone here wants to do or encourage. Yes, it damages the victim. How well they recover from it varies but it is permanent psychological trauma. I can answer this better than many because I did look into as a method of enslavement or at least some of it for use as a tool towards enslavement. To that extent, really studying SS instead of just looking at the wiki entry about it, is useful. It tells you a lot of things not to do. It also tells you things that are available elsewhere such as reinforcement of the enslavement is a good thing. (You would be surprised how many people don't get that concept.)

So, if you want to train a slave or slaves, then reading up on Stockholm Syndrome is a good thing. If you stop there it is a bad thing. If you start there and research how Stockholm Syndrome happens both psychologically and biologically you will find some very interesting and useful things and the more you backtrack them the more of both they become. Note that I did follow that trail and it ended up studying some neurobiology and talking to people in that field to confirm some information and conclusions I came up with. Enjoy your next couple of years study if you go down that path. <grins>

Back to the short form. DON'T GO THERE!!! DON'T DO THAT!!! BAD IDEA!!! And....it doesn't work or do what you want to do on a consensual basis.

Be well.....

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RE: Stockholm Syndrome - 5/30/2010 1:42:16 PM   
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You seem to be looking for hostage takers.com where nuts swap psychobabble  penned by fellow nutters.

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RE: Stockholm Syndrome - 5/30/2010 2:22:46 PM   
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You are on the wrong site, this is for people having or being interested in having a good time through alternative forms of sexual and romantic adventures.
You seem to be looking for hostage takers.com where nuts swap psychobabble  penned by fellow nutters.


Now Now, there is a squirrel out there for every nut.

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