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RE: A Historical Take on the Tea Party - 5/30/2010 3:39:47 PM   
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The number of people who've suddenly decided that their government has to practise fiscal responsibility, despite the fact that they'd spent the eight previous years cheering on Bush's decision to fight a war on hire purchase funding, is a bit depressing.


Is it? How many people are you talking about exactly? When was the last time you were actually in this country or do you get all your insight from tv and the internet? I would think that someone who could read the minds of a whole country from across the big pond, would be on tv somewhere making a small fortune with that gift.



The number of people who've suddenly decided that their government has to practise fiscal responsibility, despite the fact that they'd spent the eight previous years cheering on Bush's decision to fight a war on hire purchase funding, is a bit depressing.

I live here....It's true. Teabaggers are puppets or worse.

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RE: A Historical Take on the Tea Party - 5/30/2010 3:48:59 PM   
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The number of people who've suddenly decided that their government has to practise fiscal responsibility, despite the fact that they'd spent the eight previous years cheering on Bush's decision to fight a war on hire purchase funding, is a bit depressing.


Is it? How many people are you talking about exactly? When was the last time you were actually in this country or do you get all your insight from tv and the internet? I would think that someone who could read the minds of a whole country from across the big pond, would be on tv somewhere making a small fortune with that gift.



I'm in this country and I agree with what he said.

Do you want to address the substance of his opinion or just whether he is qualified to make it?

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RE: A Historical Take on the Tea Party - 5/30/2010 3:49:57 PM   
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I live here....It's true. Teabaggers are puppets or worse.


All of them? That is amazing. So just so I know what I am up against, how many are there in the Teabag party now? You don't have to be exact, just a close estimate will work. Shouldn't be hard, obviously if you know what they are thinking, you must know who they are, right?


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RE: A Historical Take on the Tea Party - 5/30/2010 3:51:29 PM   
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The number of people who've suddenly decided that their government has to practise fiscal responsibility, despite the fact that they'd spent the eight previous years cheering on Bush's decision to fight a war on hire purchase funding, is a bit depressing.


Is it? How many people are you talking about exactly? When was the last time you were actually in this country or do you get all your insight from tv and the internet? I would think that someone who could read the minds of a whole country from across the big pond, would be on tv somewhere making a small fortune with that gift.



I'm in this country and I agree with what he said.

Do you want to address the substance of his opinion or just whether he is qualified to make it?



I'm in this country and I disagree.

Was there substance to his opinion? I must have missed that part.


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RE: A Historical Take on the Tea Party - 5/30/2010 4:02:19 PM   
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I'm in this country and I disagree.

Was there substance to his opinion? I must have missed that part.



Yes, there was.

Why is it that the same people who were 100% behind Bush and the Iraq War, which has cost us far more than any social program, are now for fiscal conservatism when they supported financing a needless war?

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RE: A Historical Take on the Tea Party - 5/30/2010 4:04:25 PM   
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I'm in this country and I disagree.

Was there substance to his opinion? I must have missed that part.



There was a lot of substance to his opinion, if the posts from republicans on this board are anything to go by.

You dont have to live in the US to see what they have written on this board over the last few years, do you ?

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RE: A Historical Take on the Tea Party - 5/30/2010 4:06:45 PM   
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Congress received a flood of communication? The will of the people? By what measure, Steven? Since when do we have Govt by referendum? You don't believe that's proper in a Republic do you? Especially at a time of perceived emergency? The will of the people was exercised in the November 2008 election following the TARP decision. They will have to wait until this November to express themselves again. Then we shall see. I get a bit nervous when I see or hear someone professing to know the "will of the people" without a voting procedure.


This raises an interesting dilemma for leaders in a republic: What do you do when "the people" seem to want one course of action, and you believe another course to be in the national interest?


It just happened.  The entire government flew in the face of massive public opposition, under the belief that the alternative was the credit markets drying up.  They spent several hundred billion, and the credit markets did not ease up.  So the government has been trying to make the case ever since that the bailout was somehow a success while at the same time criticizing the banks for not having made it enough of a success...

The government just wasted a record sum for little or nothing and must somehow justify defying the people and being massively wrong.


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RE: A Historical Take on the Tea Party - 5/30/2010 4:11:30 PM   
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I'm in this country and I disagree.

Was there substance to his opinion? I must have missed that part.



Yes, there was.

Why is it that the same people who were 100% behind Bush and the Iraq War, which has cost us far more than any social program, are now for fiscal conservatism when they supported financing a needless war?


You know... it boggles the mind that this simple idea eludes you.  Just because I'm personally willing to spend my hard-earned money on a new house, go into debt $300,000 for it, doesn't mean I'm perfectly okay going for broke by also getting a new a sports car and going into even more debt.

There always comes a point when enough is enough.

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RE: A Historical Take on the Tea Party - 5/30/2010 4:11:48 PM   
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RE: A Historical Take on the Tea Party - 5/30/2010 4:14:33 PM   
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Why is it that the same people who were 100% behind Bush and the Iraq War, which has cost us far more than any social program, are now for fiscal conservatism when they supported financing a needless war?


You know... it boggles the mind that this simple idea eludes you.  Just because I'm personally willing to spend my hard-earned money on a new house, go into debt $300,000 for it, doesn't mean I'm perfectly okay going for broke by also getting a new a sports car and going into even more debt.

There always comes a point when enough is enough.



Your post doesnt address RML`s point though Treasure.

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RE: A Historical Take on the Tea Party - 5/30/2010 4:22:48 PM   
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Why is it that the same people who were 100% behind Bush and the Iraq War, which has cost us far more than any social program, are now for fiscal conservatism when they supported financing a needless war?


You know... it boggles the mind that this simple idea eludes you.  Just because I'm personally willing to spend my hard-earned money on a new house, go into debt $300,000 for it, doesn't mean I'm perfectly okay going for broke by also getting a new a sports car and going into even more debt.

There always comes a point when enough is enough.



Your post doesnt address RML`s point though Treasure.


Well, yes it does to a degree.  However, I shall spell it out even further, bit by bit...

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Why is it that the same people who were 100% behind Bush...


Perhaps they were really only 80% behind him and you're just assuming it was 100%?

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and the Iraq War...


It could be that at that particular point in time, that is what they felt was needed.

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which has cost us far more than any social program...


I'm not sure I agree with that, but again, it is their prerogative to decide how much money they approve of being spent and what they approve it to be spent on. 

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are now for fiscal conservatism ...


Some people don't believe in the "in for a penny, in for a pound" theory of life.  As I said, there comes a point when enough is enough.

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when they supported financing a needless war?


I suspect they didn't feel it was needless at the time.

Better?

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RE: A Historical Take on the Tea Party - 5/30/2010 4:28:17 PM   
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I'm in this country and I disagree.

Was there substance to his opinion? I must have missed that part.



Yes, there was.

Why is it that the same people who were 100% behind Bush and the Iraq War, which has cost us far more than any social program, are now for fiscal conservatism when they supported financing a needless war?


You know... it boggles the mind that this simple idea eludes you.  Just because I'm personally willing to spend my hard-earned money on a new house, go into debt $300,000 for it, doesn't mean I'm perfectly okay going for broke by also getting a new a sports car and going into even more debt.

There always comes a point when enough is enough.



You have given me no idea to boggle my mind, you have only gone off on some type of tangent about new houses and sports cars.

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RE: A Historical Take on the Tea Party - 5/30/2010 4:29:00 PM   
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I'm in this country and I disagree.

Was there substance to his opinion? I must have missed that part.


You did miss it, boi. He was addressing the very platform of the Tea Party itself. It's rather irrelevent to his point that you suggest there might in fact be a few exceptions to the rule. Even he would acknowledge that there may be a few Teabaggers who were also against the war and the Bush tax cuts. But the numbers would be very small and statistically insignificant, so how does pointing this out help make your case?

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RE: A Historical Take on the Tea Party - 5/30/2010 4:30:39 PM   
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As for the costs of the wars, here is a little snippet regards Gulf War 2.  Note this doesnt include the costs in human terms or Afghanistan.

Financial costs with approximately $612 billion spent as of 4/09 the CBO has estimated the total cost of the war in Iraq to U.S. taxpayers will be around $1.9 trillion.

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RE: A Historical Take on the Tea Party - 5/30/2010 4:36:01 PM   
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Why is it that the same people who were 100% behind Bush...


Perhaps they were really only 80% behind him and you're just assuming it was 100%?

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and the Iraq War...


It could be that at that particular point in time, that is what they felt was needed.

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which has cost us far more than any social program...


I'm not sure I agree with that, but again, it is their prerogative to decide how much money they approve of being spent and what they approve it to be spent on. 

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are now for fiscal conservatism ...


Some people don't believe in the "in for a penny, in for a pound" theory of life.  As I said, there comes a point when enough is enough.

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when they supported financing a needless war?


I suspect they didn't feel it was needless at the time.

Better?



No,.not at all.

You are using rationalizations to justify your argument.

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RE: A Historical Take on the Tea Party - 5/30/2010 4:40:58 PM   
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Or, 40% behind Bush and 110% against Kerry and Gore.

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Why is it that the same people who were 100% behind Bush...


Perhaps they were really only 80% behind him and you're just assuming it was 100%?



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RE: A Historical Take on the Tea Party - 5/30/2010 4:51:13 PM   
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You are using rationalizations to justify your argument.


And you are using a burden of proof fallacy to support yours.

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RE: A Historical Take on the Tea Party - 5/30/2010 4:53:54 PM   
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... He was addressing the very platform of the Tea Party itself.


Please provide a source for the unified platform of the Tea Party.

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RE: A Historical Take on the Tea Party - 5/30/2010 5:23:56 PM   
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I think the main aim of the bail out was to stop the major banks folding up. Things would be far worse if that had happened.



For the major bankers yes, not for the average person. New banks would crop up to fill the "void."
But, we can't have actual *Capitalism* now can we? Too many people living in mansions for generations. Rich people always want to remain rich.
How many times have you seen a bank president start his "new job" as a cashier at the local market?

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RE: A Historical Take on the Tea Party - 5/30/2010 6:29:28 PM   
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... He was addressing the very platform of the Tea Party itself.


Please provide a source for the unified platform of the Tea Party.


Treasure, you are increasingly coming across as someone who is defending a group that you neither understand nor fully support. It's disingenuous of you to ask those of us who disagree with you to define your position. I have a better idea. Why don't you look it up (I did and it took less than 2 mins to find multiple sources of Tea Party platform and grievances. Hint: google "Contract from America." ) If you find something in your research that is contrary to how the Tea Party has been portrayed in this thread, then bring it here and we'll discuss it. Those of us who were wrong I'm certain will apologize.

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