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TheHeretic -> Oil on troubled water (5/30/2010 2:05:23 PM)

That video just seems to be in the background wherever you go lately. The oil, spewing up and out. Some seem to find the image hypnotic.

Also, just out of pure curiousity, what about the old "pouring oil on troubled water" thing? Might the oil actually diminish the waves and storm surge if a hurricane gets into a slick?



Musicmystery -> RE: Oil on troubled water (5/30/2010 2:10:11 PM)

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Might the oil actually diminish the waves and storm surge if a hurricane gets into a slick?

No.



TheHeretic -> RE: Oil on troubled water (5/30/2010 2:16:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


No.



Can you do a little better than that, maybe?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00PPPt7EJqo



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Oil on troubled water (5/30/2010 2:17:26 PM)

An oil droplet disperses over quite a large area and has better surface tension than water so smoothes out the ripples, or some shit like that.

BP have been trying to prove this theory in the gulf of Mexico, the experiment is ongoing.

I believe it hasn't yet occurred to them that they might be able to insert a party balloon and inflate it to stop the oil. Someone would need good lung capacity for that. However they do something similar with stents in heart surgery I do believe.

Golf balls... are we in medieval times, why not see if we can fit a panda car in there while we are at it?



Musicmystery -> RE: Oil on troubled water (5/30/2010 2:29:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
No.

Can you do a little better than that, maybe?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00PPPt7EJqo

Yes, I can.

You aren't talking about being "ruffled by the wind" -- you're talking hurricane.

The fear is that hurricane surges will bring oil far inland.



flcouple2009 -> RE: Oil on troubled water (5/30/2010 6:04:55 PM)

I can remember in 2002 when we were still living in South Louisiana and Lily came ashore.  She came was coming as a Cat 4, but where she entered the bay she hit the shelf and was down to a 2 before she made land.  The storm surge was still 6 to 8 feet.

Now imagine that instead of a 6 foot wall of water, it is now black mixed with nice chunky oil.



domiguy -> RE: Oil on troubled water (5/30/2010 6:11:23 PM)

I like to watch the oil shooting out of the pipe, it's soothing.....I pretend they are making tea.


Shrimp, fish, birds and turtles love tea. Thank you BP for turning the gulf into a large snapple reservoir.

Drill baby, drill!



Rule -> RE: Oil on troubled water (5/30/2010 6:16:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
I believe it hasn't yet occurred to them that they might be able to insert a party balloon and inflate it to stop the oil. Someone would need good lung capacity for that.

That is an excellent idea. But yes, it would require huge air pressure at that depth and against the force of the oil.



thornhappy -> RE: Oil on troubled water (5/30/2010 6:21:52 PM)

They had some pretty cool stuff this morning; they were rigging some buoyancy modules to be moved so you saw the ROV in action.

ETA: they're doing some rigging again.
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

That video just seems to be in the background wherever you go lately. The oil, spewing up and out. Some seem to find the image hypnotic.

Also, just out of pure curiousity, what about the old "pouring oil on troubled water" thing? Might the oil actually diminish the waves and storm surge if a hurricane gets into a slick?



DarkSteven -> RE: Oil on troubled water (5/30/2010 8:20:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

That video just seems to be in the background wherever you go lately. The oil, spewing up and out. Some seem to find the image hypnotic.



Well, it's a hideous disaster, but might as well get some aesthetic satisfaction out of it...



TheHeretic -> RE: Oil on troubled water (5/30/2010 8:37:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
I believe it hasn't yet occurred to them that they might be able to insert a party balloon and inflate it to stop the oil. Someone would need good lung capacity for that.

That is an excellent idea. But yes, it would require huge air pressure at that depth and against the force of the oil.




Why use air? Inflate it with a fluid.



cloudboy -> RE: Oil on troubled water (5/30/2010 9:37:36 PM)


This post make me wonder what I'm not understanding, or what is wrong with you.



TheHeretic -> RE: Oil on troubled water (5/30/2010 10:49:52 PM)

It ain't complicated, Clouds. First portion goes to the social impact of those images, and offers a non-political venue to talk about the effects of that, second goes to creating an essentially random place for discussion to start.

Pretty straightforward, if minimalistic. Maybe the malfunction is on your end?



pahunkboy -> RE: Oil on troubled water (5/31/2010 2:37:11 AM)

All we gotta do is put a bunch of cocksuckers on in- which a good sized straw. 



Musicmystery -> RE: Oil on troubled water (5/31/2010 7:24:27 AM)

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the social impact of those images

Social impact?

Here's your impact. BP is clueless, and at its best had only improvisations, all of which have failed, and now has only improvisations for containing the flow, not stopping it--but first must cut a pipe, an action that could increase the flow 20%.

Oil will continue to gush, at this rate or greater, until relief wells are ready in August--and that's assuming they get that right.

We haven't even begun to witness the depths of this problem. This is all still the opening act.




Rule -> RE: Oil on troubled water (5/31/2010 7:31:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
We haven't even begun to witness the depths of this problem. This is all still the opening act.

It is fifteen hundred meters deep. I suspect that the depth of the problem is proportional to the square of that.



Musicmystery -> RE: Oil on troubled water (5/31/2010 8:40:21 AM)

No. It's proportional to the Gulf of Mexico and its shoreline.




Musicmystery -> RE: Oil on troubled water (5/31/2010 9:11:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
BP is clueless, and at its best had only improvisations, all of which have failed, and now has only improvisations for containing the flow, not stopping it--but first must cut a pipe, an action that could increase the flow 20%.

Oil will continue to gush, at this rate or greater, until relief wells are ready in August--and that's assuming they get that right.

We haven't even begun to witness the depths of this problem. This is all still the opening act.

Btw, I caught the tail end of an NPR story yesterday--BP led the industry with six hundred something safety violations; the number two offender had just eight.

Not that it helps now, but this was a disaster that could have been prevented.



ModTwentyOne -> RE: Oil on troubled water (5/31/2010 10:38:29 AM)

Please keep to the topic at hand and stop the personal attacks.  Thank you.


ModeratorTwentyOne



flcouple2009 -> RE: Oil on troubled water (5/31/2010 11:31:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Here's your impact. BP is clueless, and at its best had only improvisations,


That's not really accurate.  Everything BP has done works to cap a blow out.  The catch is nobody knew if any of these practices would work in 5,000 ft of water.  I think we all know the answer to that question now.

It's not BP.  NOBODY knows what to do with a well this deep.  It's all become one big lab experiment.

We let people drill deeper and deeper with no real plans for an accident.  The blow out in the Timor Sea spewed oil for 3 months before the relief well was finished and it was capped.  That was just a few months ago.

We started making plans to open new leases and drill new deep water wells.  Nobody ever said, "Wait a minute, do we have a better plan than watching a blow out spill oil for 3 or 4 months?".



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