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Before I heard this argument (and granted, Panda, beyond an interesting take, nothing guarantees it would work as described), I'd have opposed mandatory voting too. Why herd the apathetic and ignorant to the polls? But his case for disenchanted voters has me reconsidering. Yes, it's a civic duty in my view, but as economist Buchanan pointed out, some people will weigh the benefits of doing other things vs. going to vote, especially if they see the process as holding little meaning.
The problem with this is the coercion aspect.....which...as others have pointed out.....is anti-democratic.
And really.....this is a more respectable version of the 'we must force the people to be free' line that middle class revolutionary leaders impose upon the wider population.
You can't force people to exercise their stake in the nation.....they have to want to do it for themselves....whether disaffected....disinterested...or otherwise.
The one thing we would all agree on is that political freedom is irretrievably bound up with the freedom to choose.....I'd take it on a step and say the freedom to make a choice with all of the information at hand.....but at the very least we'd agree on the freedom to choose.
I understand the point, but characterizing it as coercion misrepresents the reality of democracy. We get to choose, and one of those choices could be the importance of participation in the elections. Just as we can't "choose" whether to be counted in the census (legally), as it's important to representation, so too is voting. If the group so decides, "coercion" becomes "complicance."
As I mentioned earlier, I'd have been flatly against this before. But while granted, hardly conclusive, it's an interesting point that has me rethinking the merits. And at this point, polarization is so freezing up governance that some measure to address it will have to come about sooner or later, barring one group managing to finally seize one-party rule.
I explained that and it should be painfully clear that a RE-PRESENTED DEMOCRACY IS NOT GOVERNMENT "BY THE PEOPLE". ---"UNLESS"--- everything is voted on.
I thought it should have been abundantly clear to you?
thats not quite right NG.
It is democratic, what you just expressed is not republican, meaning not of a republic.
In a democracy the mob 51% can make a law that anyone who is bald must wear a wig or they will be hung. Trust me you will be hung.
In a republic you stand up and say bullshit and stand on your rights, not privileges.
In a democracy your privileges only extend to the the codification, while in a republic your rights are what you claim until someone proves the right you chose is s trespass on others.
No trespass its your right.
The best thing to do is spend an afternoon in the law library or maybe even cross referencing words in the legal dictionaries would do it. Tough the dictionaries often times do not describe the exact defacto process.
basically democracy = corporatism and is the basis for total communism.
In a democracy the mob 51% can make a law that anyone who is bald must wear a wig or they will be hung. Trust me you will be hung.
When its RE-PRESENTED THERE IS NO SAY OF THE PEOPLE UNLESS EVERY LETTER TO THEM (the parliment, congress whatever), IS REGISTERED TALLIED AND EVERY DECISION IS VOTED ON.
WHAT DO YOU NEED RE-PRESENTATION FOR TO PRESENT YOUR VOTE?
Its all about what you people THINK in your fertile preprogrammed imaginations and not the reality of the matter that frankly very simplistic common sense "should" have told you.
(in short you people live in a fantasy world of what you think is true and correct because you never studied the exact function in law of these labels you throw around without thought)
< Message edited by Real0ne -- 6/3/2010 8:55:17 AM >
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