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Maybe you noticed that this was a tiny amount of oil, only enough to create a thin sheen, in a shallow pond?

The video I watched had more than a thin scheen it had thick globs.

Maybe you noticed the bacteria only ate the oil products that were lighter than water?

Which oil is heavier than water?

To get all the crude spilled into the gulf would require bacteria below the water's surface which would deplete the oxygen supply if enough were used to actually quickly biodegrade the amount of oil we're dealing with.

The gulf is about a mile or so deep where the blowout is. The oil is a minute fraction of the water in the gulf.
Do you have any data to support your objections.
I know many feel that ro is a "wack job" but the people in the video do not appear to be "wack jobs" and this was used on the tanker spill in the video. The video seemed to dispell any negative side effects.

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I doubt the spill was planned.

I do think there were dumb short cuts taken.

I for one do not believe in experts making "dumb" mistakes.


I believe in negligence and fraud.

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Never mistake for malice that which can be explained by sheer stupidity.

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I for one do not believe in experts making "dumb" mistakes.


I believe in negligence and fraud.

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As to what parts of crude oil are heavier than water? Virtually all of it. That's why when the surface tension is disrupted by dispersants the oil sinks below the surface.

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As to what parts of crude oil are heavier than water? Virtually all of it. That's why when the surface tension is disrupted by dispersants the oil sinks below the surface.

Goddamn! I need to go back to Shell R&D & let them know that everything they thought they knew about oil was wrong!

Of course, I never worked with 3-phase systems for nearly 10 years, so what the fuck do I know?

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Sprayed on bacteria not being very effective:
http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2010/04/can-microbes-save-the-gulf-beach.html

This article says that it is very effective.

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Experiments have shown that adding nutrients like nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium to the beaches can speed up the ability of natural bacteria to break down oil. "What would've taken 5 or 6 years to accomplish can occur in a single summer," says Lee.

Fertilizing natural bacteria result sin harm to the environment:
http://www.smartertechnology.com/c/a/Global-Challenges/Can-Biotech-Help-Clean-the-BP-Oil-Spill/
(since we're talking using nitrates as fertilizers we're almost certainly talking about oxygen depletion as part of the problem)ote]According to Hazen, who has studied the long-term effects of the Amoco Cadiz spill of 1978 and the Exxon Valdez spill of 1989, untreated areas of coastline recover naturally within a few years, but chemically treated areas sustain more long-term damage

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According to Hazen, who has studied the long-term effects of the Amoco Cadiz spill of 1978 and the Exxon Valdez spill of 1989, untreated areas of coastline recover naturally within a few years, but chemically treated areas sustain more long-term damage

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Bob Dudley, BP managing director for the Americas and Asia. "This crude is what's called a light-sweet crude.

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As to what parts of crude oil are heavier than water? Virtually all of it. That's why when the surface tension is disrupted by dispersants the oil sinks below the surface.

Goddamn! I need to go back to Shell R&D & let them know that everything they thought they knew about oil was wrong!

Of course, I never worked with 3-phase systems for nearly 10 years, so what the fuck do I know?

Are you actually claiming a gallon of average crude weighs less than the 8 lbs. that a gallon of water weights? Or are using the light sweet standard? BTW since even light sweet only weighs a little less than water as whole that still means a lot of the components must weight more, otherwise centrifuging and distillation would be impossible.

Essentially all the hydrocarbons longer than octane, IIRC, is heavier than water.

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As to what parts of crude oil are heavier than water? Virtually all of it. That's why when the surface tension is disrupted by dispersants the oil sinks below the surface.

Goddamn! I need to go back to Shell R&D & let them know that everything they thought they knew about oil was wrong!

Of course, I never worked with 3-phase systems for nearly 10 years, so what the fuck do I know?

Are you actually claiming a gallon of average crude weighs less than the 8 lbs. that a gallon of water weights? Or are using the light sweet standard? BTW since even light sweet only weighs a little less than water as whole that still means a lot of the components must weight more, otherwise centrifuging and distillation would be impossible.

Essentially all the hydrocarbons longer than octane, IIRC, is heavier than water.

Let me amend that. Virtually all oil that is produced by conventional methods (oil that is not classified as "bitumen") has a density of less than 1000kg/cubic meter. So, for all practical purposes, average crude weighs less than 8.35 pounds per US gallon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/API_gravity

Distillation has nothing to do with density; it is a function of the boiling points of the various liquids in solution. See Roualt's Law; Dalton's Law; partial pressure; azeotrope. The Chemical Rubber Company Handbook of Chemistry and Physics has tables of partial pressures and boiling points of binary, trinary, and quaternary mixtures.

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But I'll be the first to admit that I have no knowledge of chemistry, or oil, or density, or freezing point depression/boiling point elevation (based on molality), or fractional distillation, or vacuum distillation, or azeotropic mixtures, or any of that shit.

So I would take it as a real kindness if you could point out where I have been led astray, or give some small consideration to the fact that I might actually have a small amount of knowledge which I acquired in my 10 years at Shell Exploration and Production Enhanced Recovery Research Department in Bellaire, Texas.

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Ken, you and I are pretty much of the same political persuasion. That's why I am really disappointed that you seem to be adopting Tea-bagger tactics.

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Ken, you and I are pretty much of the same political persuasion. That's why I am really disappointed that you seem to be adopting Tea-bagger tactics.

They arent tactics, he actually thinks he's right. He has been proven wrong 12 ways from Sunday on numerous topics and is still in denial. See his asinine response to your post.

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Ken, you and I are pretty much of the same political persuasion. That's why I am really disappointed that you seem to be adopting Tea-bagger tactics.

They arent tactics, he actually thinks he's right. He has been proven wrong 12 ways from Sunday on numerous topics and is still in denial. See his asinine response to your post.

What was incorrect in that post? Put up or shut up.

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Ken, you and I are pretty much of the same political persuasion. That's why I am really disappointed that you seem to be adopting Tea-bagger tactics.

They arent tactics, he actually thinks he's right. He has been proven wrong 12 ways from Sunday on numerous topics and is still in denial. See his asinine response to your post.

What was incorrect in that post? Put up or shut up.

More importantly, what was right about it? Put up or shut up.

Hint: there is only 1 grade of crude oil that is heavier than water, and it doesnt flow freely.

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ORIGINAL: Dubbelganger

Ken, you and I are pretty much of the same political persuasion. That's why I am really disappointed that you seem to be adopting Tea-bagger tactics.

They arent tactics, he actually thinks he's right. He has been proven wrong 12 ways from Sunday on numerous topics and is still in denial. See his asinine response to your post.

What was incorrect in that post? Put up or shut up.

More importantly, what was right about it? Put up or shut up.

Hint: there is only 1 grade of crude oil that is heavier than water, and it doesnt flow freely.

Really? Only one grade of extra heavy crude is heavier than water? Which bitumen would that be? Or are you unaware that petroleum grades include location as well as density and sulphur content?

As to whether it flows? Where did I say anything about flowing?

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Water has a molecular weight of 18 g/mol. N-Hexane (a common organic solvent) has a molecular weight of 86.18 g/mol. Hexane floats on water. What was your point about molecular weight and density again?

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Really? Only one grade of extra heavy crude is heavier than water? Which bitumen would that be? Or are you unaware that petroleum grades include location as well as density and sulphur content?

As to whether it flows? Where did I say anything about flowing?

Obviously you wouldnt mention that the only crude heavier than water doesnt flow...it destroys your ridiculous claims that oil from the BP well, which is obviously flowing, is more dense than seawater and "sinks" so that bacteria would have to attack it below the surface.