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willbeurdaddy -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill-Gutsy Solution Restores Environment in Just Six Weeks (6/7/2010 11:54:30 AM)

Yes, do anything you can to avoid the fact that your "science" is nonsense. Love your understanding of molecular weight vs density.

Tar balls? There isnt even agreement that they arose from the BP explosion, much less the processes that would allow them to form from light crude. And, oh yeah...tar balls float.




DomKen -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill-Gutsy Solution Restores Environment in Just Six Weeks (6/7/2010 12:05:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Yes, do anything you can to avoid the fact that your "science" is nonsense. Love your understanding of molecular weight vs density.

Tar balls? There isnt even agreement that they arose from the BP explosion, much less the processes that would allow them to form from light crude. And, oh yeah...tar balls float.

All tar balls float? Always? You can't really believe this nonsense can you?




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill-Gutsy Solution Restores Environment in Just Six Weeks (6/7/2010 12:06:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Yes, do anything you can to avoid the fact that your "science" is nonsense. Love your understanding of molecular weight vs density.

Tar balls? There isnt even agreement that they arose from the BP explosion, much less the processes that would allow them to form from light crude. And, oh yeah...tar balls float.

All tar balls float? Always? You can't really believe this nonsense can you?


I cant believe you havent learned when to retreat when youve been so thoroughly discredited by Dg.




Dubbelganger -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill-Gutsy Solution Restores Environment in Just Six Weeks (6/7/2010 4:48:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Yes, do anything you can to avoid the fact that your "science" is nonsense. Love your understanding of molecular weight vs density.

Me too. DomKen has made me awate that all the chem classes I ever took, from chem 101 & 102 to Quantitative analysis to P-chem to basic, intermediate, and advanced organic, to instrumental analysis (I always dug analytical chemistry. It's a gift.), were a complete waste of time. All I had to do was sit at the feet of DK the Chemistry Guru to learn all I needed to know.

Fuck, maybe I could have skipped all that boring calculus and linear algebra and differential equations, too.




DomKen -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill-Gutsy Solution Restores Environment in Just Six Weeks (6/7/2010 5:19:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Dubbelganger


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Yes, do anything you can to avoid the fact that your "science" is nonsense. Love your understanding of molecular weight vs density.

Me too. DomKen has made me awate that all the chem classes I ever took, from chem 101 & 102 to Quantitative analysis to P-chem to basic, intermediate, and advanced organic, to instrumental analysis (I always dug analytical chemistry. It's a gift.), were a complete waste of time. All I had to do was sit at the feet of DK the Chemistry Guru to learn all I needed to know.

Fuck, maybe I could have skipped all that boring calculus and linear algebra and differential equations, too.


And I have asked again and again what you think I've said is wrong.

Once more are you really claiming that all components of crude oil float? Are you denying that the crude oil is a mixture and that the components when given the opportunity? Are you aware of sightings of large amounts of oil below the water's surface?




NewOCDaddy -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill-Gutsy Solution Restores Environment in Just Six Weeks (6/7/2010 5:31:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Dubbelganger


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Yes, do anything you can to avoid the fact that your "science" is nonsense. Love your understanding of molecular weight vs density.

Me too. DomKen has made me awate that all the chem classes I ever took, from chem 101 & 102 to Quantitative analysis to P-chem to basic, intermediate, and advanced organic, to instrumental analysis (I always dug analytical chemistry. It's a gift.), were a complete waste of time. All I had to do was sit at the feet of DK the Chemistry Guru to learn all I needed to know.

Fuck, maybe I could have skipped all that boring calculus and linear algebra and differential equations, too.


And I have asked again and again what you think I've said is wrong.

Once more are you really claiming that all components of crude oil float? Are you denying that the crude oil is a mixture and that the components when given the opportunity? Are you aware of sightings of large amounts of oil below the water's surface?


All "components" of crude oil of a grade less than extra heavy float. What may not float is the rest of the debris that is emitted. Second sentence incomplete. Third sentence....have you ever heard of turbulence?




Termyn8or -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill-Gutsy Solution Restores Environment in Just Six Weeks (6/7/2010 6:09:20 PM)

FR

Well, I don't have much background in chemistry so you'll have to forgive my simplistic stance here. So what is said that there are lumps that sink, and aromatic components that simply evaporate ? I can accept that. If you can smell crude, obviously something is outgassing, and I would bet that in time it lessens the grade of the crude.

As to the components which will fall to the ocean floor, which is more important to address ? Shrimp are bottom feeders. But they do need oxygen right ?

Maybe I am half crocked, but maybe we should try some big nets just to get the aquatic life out of there to the open sea ? Not easy, but the whole problem doesn't seem to be easy anyway. But would they go and be happy or just migrate back ? They were there for a reason in the first place.

In other words, what is the most effective solution. Even with the "fences" or whatever they call them that, in sufficient size and quantity could move most of the spill out to sea for eventual burning off or whatever, all that is doing is to move the problem. And these bacteria, just how safe are they, and/or their waste components. Do we want oil fed shrimp ?

None of this would be a problem if money wasn't the driving factor, pun intended.

And, I have been informed as of today that one relatively small business which happens to use alot of fuel is now boycotting BP. Previously they had almost exclusively used BP gas and deisel. I wonder how many other companies will do that in light of their PR dept. This guy did it for his own reasons, and can afford to do whatever he damn well pleases. What happens when big compamies might decide to drop BP as a suppiler for PR reasons ?

If BP doesn't handle this right they could become like a pariah in the market. But money will be made because this is not that much different than the Union Carbide episode decades ago in India. This is just a bit closer to home. It is not closer to home for the whole world, and the brokers will again make money now, just as they did then.

See how quickly money came back into the equation ?

Now there are reports of "shortcuts being taken". For the love of your own fucking earlobe, when you are standing to make millions of dollars, why do some have the need to save ten or twenty bucks here and there ? That, to me is more proof that greed is actually an addiction to money, and a form of addiction that is never addressed.

And with few consequences, it is not likely to change. I don't see anyone going to jail. Why don't y'all go start a forest fire and see what happens. You go to PRISON, even if it was a total accident. So money has bought a double standard as far as I can see.

Sometimes you just throw up your hands and say "So what ? " . Nothing you can do. The effects might already be here. I have liked the local Chinese joint's triple crown for some time. I'd estimate it had over ten shrimp in it. Last week I could find only three.

The tourist traps in the Gulf region are probably going to go bankrupt sooner or later. And whatever components of that crude that do float on water are going to spread. I heard it's already affected Texas. Wait until Mexico starts bitching. And they have every right. All they really had was alot of coastline other than good drugs and some old US built cars. Now who wants to go, unless to the west coast ?

Really, argue all you want, but I think someone belongs in jail over this shit.

T




DomKen -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill-Gutsy Solution Restores Environment in Just Six Weeks (6/7/2010 6:11:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NewOCDaddy
All "components" of crude oil of a grade less than extra heavy float.

Bullshit. Refined bitumen (definitely heavier than water) is left over from fractional distillation of any and all forms of crude.





Dubbelganger -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill-Gutsy Solution Restores Environment in Just Six Weeks (6/7/2010 6:17:59 PM)

They are injecting corexit down at the wellhead, which is a dispersant, which breaks up rhe oil into tiny, tiny droplets which disperse through the bottom water, preventing the oil from floating to the surface.




thompsonx -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill-Gutsy Solution Restores Environment in Just Six Weeks (6/7/2010 6:32:42 PM)

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But money will be made because this is not that much different than the Union Carbide episode decades ago in India.



Just a little bit of a thread-jack...
Will it be 26 years till the scum at bp get their slap on the wrist?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8725140.stm




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill-Gutsy Solution Restores Environment in Just Six Weeks (6/7/2010 9:03:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: NewOCDaddy
All "components" of crude oil of a grade less than extra heavy float.

Bullshit. Refined bitumen (definitely heavier than water) is left over from fractional distillation of any and all forms of crude.




First, you might want to think about why I put quotes around "components". Second, your "bullshit" is interesting since you then go on to point out exactly the same exception that I gave in my statement. You're sinking far faster than a tarball.




Termyn8or -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill-Gutsy Solution Restores Environment in Just Six Weeks (6/7/2010 11:04:24 PM)

"Refined bitumen (definitely heavier than water) "

I wasn't aware that they were refining it on the spot.

Learn something new every day I guess..

T




DomKen -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill-Gutsy Solution Restores Environment in Just Six Weeks (6/7/2010 11:17:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: NewOCDaddy
All "components" of crude oil of a grade less than extra heavy float.

Bullshit. Refined bitumen (definitely heavier than water) is left over from fractional distillation of any and all forms of crude.




First, you might want to think about why I put quotes around "components". Second, your "bullshit" is interesting since you then go on to point out exactly the same exception that I gave in my statement. You're sinking far faster than a tarball.

Refined bitumen is made up of components present in all grades of crude oil. That includes grades less than extra heavy. That includes light crude. There is less of the heavy molecules in light grades but they're still present.

And thanks for admiting that you are using sockpuppets.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill-Gutsy Solution Restores Environment in Just Six Weeks (6/7/2010 11:30:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: NewOCDaddy
All "components" of crude oil of a grade less than extra heavy float.

Bullshit. Refined bitumen (definitely heavier than water) is left over from fractional distillation of any and all forms of crude.




First, you might want to think about why I put quotes around "components". Second, your "bullshit" is interesting since you then go on to point out exactly the same exception that I gave in my statement. You're sinking far faster than a tarball.

Refined bitumen is made up of components present in all grades of crude oil. That includes grades less than extra heavy. That includes light crude. There is less of the heavy molecules in light grades but they're still present.

And thanks for admiting that you are using sockpuppets.


"admiting" lmao. Where have you been for the last century? anyone who doesnt know that this name was made when the other one was banned must have slept through 2009. It was never hidden since this one was "re-approved".




Elisabella -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill-Gutsy Solution Restores Environment in Just Six Weeks (6/8/2010 1:45:36 AM)

-FR-

I approve this solution:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/6/4/




DomKen -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill-Gutsy Solution Restores Environment in Just Six Weeks (6/8/2010 7:28:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Refined bitumen is made up of components present in all grades of crude oil. That includes grades less than extra heavy. That includes light crude. There is less of the heavy molecules in light grades but they're still present.

And thanks for admiting that you are using sockpuppets.


"admiting" lmao. Where have you been for the last century? anyone who doesnt know that this name was made when the other one was banned must have slept through 2009. It was never hidden since this one was "re-approved".


I doubt much of anyone is at all interested in keeping track of your various machinations to avoid obeying the rules. I will just keep an eye for when your various personae start actively supporting each other.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill-Gutsy Solution Restores Environment in Just Six Weeks (6/8/2010 8:31:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Refined bitumen is made up of components present in all grades of crude oil. That includes grades less than extra heavy. That includes light crude. There is less of the heavy molecules in light grades but they're still present.

And thanks for admiting that you are using sockpuppets.


"admiting" lmao. Where have you been for the last century? anyone who doesnt know that this name was made when the other one was banned must have slept through 2009. It was never hidden since this one was "re-approved".


I doubt much of anyone is at all interested in keeping track of your various machinations to avoid obeying the rules. I will just keep an eye for when your various personae start actively supporting each other.


You should spend your time actually trying to avoid embarrassing yourself with yet another inaccurate series of posts and feeble defenses for your errors, instead of "keeping an eye" for something that never happened and never will.

And I feel no need to obey rules that were inconsistently applied depending on which side of the aisle your posts happened to be on.




Lucylastic -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill-Gutsy Solution Restores Environment in Just Six Weeks (6/8/2010 9:51:09 AM)

Snorts well I thought it was funny, Ken, thankyou:)




Dubbelganger -> RE: Gulf Oil Spill-Gutsy Solution Restores Environment in Just Six Weeks (6/8/2010 10:06:33 PM)

Willbeur, Ken is right when he states that "bitumens" or "asphaltenes" or however one chooses to characterize the hydrocarbons and organometallics with very high molecular weights ( >C20, IIRC), are present in all grades of conventional crude. The grading of crude is not so much dependant on origin as it is the relative fractions of volatiles (C1-C4), straight-run (C5-C8), on up to the asphaltenes. Sweet refers to low-sulfur content; sour refers to higher sulfur content.

Any oil that isn't rising to the surface is not doing so for only three reasons (that I can think of, at any rate):
1) Dispersal due to mechanical action (like when you blend oil and vinegar in a blender);
2)chemical dispersal (like using Corexit 9500, which BP is doing); or
3) density greater than that of seawater at ambient temperature.

The fraction of any conventional crude that has a density greater than seawater is fairly low. The seawater surface density above the wellhead is about 1.025 g/cc; approx 3.5% salinity, which is the average for all the oceans. I don't know the density @5000ft. It depends on the salinity and temperature, but probably isn't much higher than 1.025. (I used to make synthetic seawater for certain tertiary recovery experiments). (as an aside, a polyaromatic salt of vanadium has been found in crude oil whose strusture is almost identical to that of chloryphyll. I wish I had bookmarked that page, as I find that exceedingly interesting)




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