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The national high school dropout rate is probably in the 40-50 %'s, it's *considerably* higher in S. Calif.
At one of those "Star parties" if George Bush were to walk in he'd be the "genious" there! Scary!
I saw a list of actors a few years ago and most of them didn't graduate high school. I didn't say "everyone" in Hollywood, just most of them. Sure, someone with high intelligence and good looks will sneak through once in a while.

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This isn't a math problem it's an engineering problem and Danica Mc Kellar nor President Obama can do anything about it.
And if you're looking for "brain power" wouldn't "Hollywood" be like,....not on the list?
How about,......oh.... I dunno,.....Massachusetts Institute of Technology (M.I.T.) in Cambridge, Mass?

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Salvaging the oil is so far down on their list of priorities it isn't even on the list. There is absolutely no higher priority for BP than to shut that thing off, as quickly and as completely as possible, and there is no viable solution that they would not try if it seemed as though it had even a miniscule chance of working. If they could plug that leak by stuffing their wives and children down the hole, they'd probably be doing that.

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Salvaging the oil is so far down on their list of priorities it isn't even on the list. There is absolutely no higher priority for BP than to shut that thing off, as quickly and as completely as possible, and there is no viable solution that they would not try if it seemed as though it had even a miniscule chance of working. If they could plug that leak by stuffing their wives and children down the hole, they'd probably be doing that.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

Salvaging the oil is so far down on their list of priorities it isn't even on the list. There is absolutely no higher priority for BP than to shut that thing off, as quickly and as completely as possible, and there is no viable solution that they would not try if it seemed as though it had even a miniscule chance of working. If they could plug that leak by stuffing their wives and children down the hole, they'd probably be doing that.

Is that why they refused any help from mr. cameron whose knowledge of deep sea work exceeds bp's ?

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
Salvaging the oil is so far down on their list of priorities it isn't even on the list. There is absolutely no higher priority for BP than to shut that thing off, as quickly and as completely as possible, and there is no viable solution that they would not try if it seemed as though it had even a miniscule chance of working. If they could plug that leak by stuffing their wives and children down the hole, they'd probably be doing that.

Seriously nobody in that organisation can fix a leaky pipe?

Ahh the innocence of childhood.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

Salvaging the oil is so far down on their list of priorities it isn't even on the list. There is absolutely no higher priority for BP than to shut that thing off, as quickly and as completely as possible, and there is no viable solution that they would not try if it seemed as though it had even a miniscule chance of working. If they could plug that leak by stuffing their wives and children down the hole, they'd probably be doing that.

Is that why they refused any help from mr. cameron whose knowledge of deep sea work exceeds bp's ?

Yeah, that's a good point. I suppose my argument only works if you assume the people at BP are bright enough to recognize a good idea when they see it. Which would be a flawed assumption.

I would point out that it was bp who chose to use a less effective and cheaper blow out preventer.
It was bp who chose to lie about the magnitude of the spill.
It was bp who lobied to reduce the protocol precautions concerning blow outs.

My point, though, is that despite their bumbling and incompetence, there is nothing  they want more than to have that thing shut off, now, or yesterday if possible. There's no way in hell they'd even consider salvaging any of the oil to be anything close to a priority.

I believe the link was posted about the two skimmer ships from sweden that retrieve the oil with centrifuges brought in by bp.

The cleanup costs alone are estimated right now to hit in the neighborhood of $50,000 for every barrel of oil leaked, and that's before you start to calculate the billions of dollars in damages they'll have to pay for the thousands of people who will lose their livelihoods in that region. They could easily wind up paying in excess of $100,000 for every barrel of oil that leaks out of that well, which means that with oil selling for less than $80 a barrel, they could bankrupt their company trying to salvage the oil for production.


Do you remember reading recently how the fines levied against exxon for the exxon valdez spill were reduced to about 1/100 of the original fine.

They're watching their company slowly die with every barrel of oil that gushes out of that pipe, and they know it. All they want is to stop it, no matter what the cost.

Had not the headlong rush for black ink on the bottom line not clouded their judgement about the predcautions relating to this sort of enterprise then perhaps this would not be happening. Perhaps people and corporations should be sanctioned out of business for the willing disregard for the safety and well being of others.

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Let me give you a hug.

Well ok but I would prefer you and jeff prevail on luscious to do the honors

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That's the whole problem. Obama and the liberals want to be in charge of everything.

Is it your position that conservatives do not?
Look at the far reaching aspects of the dept. of homeland security and the patriot act.

Their whole objective is to control all the money, and redistribute it as they see fit.
From the working class to the wealthy who do not labor...why do you hate the working class?

The ony way to do that is by government control. Yes, Congress does control the direction this country goes in but not one single person should be allowed to Obama tries to do, and that should change by states exercising their 10th amendment rights.

Hell, he even wants to pretend he's in charge of this oil spill when he doesn't know jack schitt about drilling. No one in Congress does either. It's actually even scarier to think that people in the energy department would be in charge of this. But yet they want to tell the experts how to do their job,

Do you mean the experts who lied about the magnitude of the spill?
Do you mean the experts who lobied to reduce the safety protocols for deep water drilling?
Do you mean the experts who chose a less effective blow out preventer because it was cheaper?
Why do you feel those who caused this fiasco should be trusted to do anything besides cover thier asses?

and even prosecute them for an accident. It was an accident people. In America we don't prosecute people for accidents unless someone gets killed or severely maimed and you were breaking the law to begin with, such as drunk driving or speeding.

I believe there are already 11 dead.
The links were posted yesterday from the christian science monitor that criminal negligence would not be all that difficult to prove both within the government and at bp.

These people are insane.
No, bp and thier lackys in the government beauracracies are not insane they are just a bunch of white shoe slickers out to fill their pockets.

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Salvaging the oil is so far down on their list of priorities it isn't even on the list. There is absolutely no higher priority for BP than to shut that thing off, as quickly and as completely as possible, and there is no viable solution that they would not try if it seemed as though it had even a miniscule chance of working. If they could plug that leak by stuffing their wives and children down the hole, they'd probably be doing that.

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I think what you are perhaps not understanding about BP and all oil companies is that they always have a long term outlook because they go for long periods not finding anything in terms of new energy sources. Someone in that organisation has or is in the process of calculating how to make the best of a bad situation. These companies make so much profit from the oil that they can spend vast amounts of money on finding new sources. The amount you spend on finding the oil means that when you find it you must have access to it. What will hurt BP more than all the amounts they payout in damages is not having access to the oil they have spent a fortune on finding in the first place. They will not just hold their hands up and walk away from this oil field, they are always in it for the long term.

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If anything it should demonstrate to you how crazy a situation it is that a company can make so much profit and happily absorb billions of whatever currency in court settlements.

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I am very sceptical that a company which has the technical ability to drill for oil at 5,000ft can't then have a strategy to fix this problem sooner.

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Why didn't they continue with the top kill, are you saying there isn't enough wasted construction material floating about to bear down on the leak? Or perhaps having a load of loose material would hamper their future drilling efforts? I am very sceptical that a company which has the technical ability to drill for oil at 5,000ft can't then have a strategy to fix this problem sooner. Why can't something be injected into the pipe at a greater pressure than the flow of oil out of it? Why can't they insert something into the pipe and mechanically expand it to cut off the flow at a greater depth within the pipe? I assume the pressure output isn't so great that the pipe would explode if it was capped?

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As soon as the problem is fixed the leverage that BP has over the US government is removed and as you state the US government intends a moratorium on future drilling activities.

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These people are insane.

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I would point out that it was bp who chose to use a less effective and cheaper blow out preventer.
It was bp who chose to lie about the magnitude of the spill.
It was bp who lobied to reduce the protocol precautions concerning blow outs.

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I believe the link was posted about the two skimmer ships from sweden that retrieve the oil with centrifuges brought in by bp.

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Do you remember reading recently how the fines levied against exxon for the exxon valdez spill were reduced to about 1/100 of the original fine.

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Had not the headlong rush for black ink on the bottom line not clouded their judgement about the predcautions relating to this sort of enterprise then perhaps this would not be happening. Perhaps people and corporations should be sanctioned out of business for the willing disregard for the safety and well being of others.