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RE: In socialist Canada..... - 6/4/2010 9:56:17 PM   
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If a friend of mine can convert a beautiful big ol white mercedez benz to run on restaurant oil that smells like a bbq when it is being driven, cant we stop drilling into our Earth's precious belly?

Feck if I were Earth I think I would really be over the oil drilling by now.

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RE: In socialist Canada..... - 6/4/2010 9:57:49 PM   
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If not now,when?

If not us,who?

It`s time to get to get`n.

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RE: In socialist Canada..... - 6/13/2010 1:03:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		so what run on bio diesal? We then would get mass amounts of even more starving people with no food due to it being grown for fuel. There is a finite amount of arable land in the world. Basically our entire problem is technology we lack the technology to change what we have thou we are working on it.

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RE: In socialist Canada..... - 6/13/2010 1:56:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		There`s no one single source or single answer.

If there was panel on every southwest facing roof,we could cut the amount of fossil fuel usage by 20% or better.Add bio fuels of every sort.Geo-thermal,wind,tidal and other ocean current energy capturing devices.Subsidize small local hydro plants instead of subsidizing BP/Exon/Massey.

But huge centralized energy making has clearly met it`s limits.

Decentralized,small scale,a collective of energy gathering, back-feeding the grid is promising.


The grid has also has got to be updated and expanded to more efficiently deliver electricity.

In Germany, they were facing having to add another nuke plant to meet their ever growing energy needs.But they thought out of the box and started a program to make affordable retro-fits of photo-voltaic solar panels to residential roofing.

By going that route,the Germans were able to meet their expanded electric capacity without having to build a new nuke plant or deal with more radio-active waste.

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RE: In socialist Canada..... - 6/13/2010 2:53:44 PM   
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so what run on bio diesal? We then would get mass amounts of even more starving people with no food due to it being grown for fuel. There is a finite amount of arable land in the world. Basically our entire problem is technology we lack the technology to change what we have thou we are working on it.

Have a look on wiki for corn production, and use your massive dose of smarts to correlate this to why there HFCS in all of your food and that corn oil stuff in all of your petrol. Your government is paying most of your country's agricultural businesses to massively overproduce.
But don't let trivial things like facts get in the way of the ridiculous bollocks you're spouting.

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RE: In socialist Canada..... - 6/13/2010 3:36:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Brazil is about as energy independent as a country can get.It`s a huge huge country but years ago,they started the process and made it happen.Ethanol,(corn,cane,etc) being a big part of the pie.

We can take from their experience what works best for us.But doing nothing is not an option.

The regressives want us to believe that being independant of centralized fossil enegry(or nuke plants) is not only impossible,but that we shouldn`t even try.





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RE: In socialist Canada..... - 6/13/2010 4:59:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm jut noticing this thread... unfortunately, the article is wrong. Canada does not require that a relief well be drilled at the same time as the exploratory well - it only requires that the company demonstrate an ability to drill a relief well in the same season as the original well, and I think even then it only applies in the Arctic. I'm not certain about that last part, but I do know that they don't require a relief well be drilled at the same time as the original well. Canadian regulations would not have made a difference in this event. 

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RE: In socialist Canada..... - 6/13/2010 5:02:31 PM   
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If there was panel on every southwest facing roof,we could cut the amount of fossil fuel usage by 20% or better.Add bio fuels of every sort.Geo-thermal,wind,tidal and other ocean current energy capturing devices.Subsidize small local hydro plants instead of subsidizing BP/Exon/Massey.
That wouldn't work too well up here where our roofs are buried under 2-3' of snow for half the year....

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RE: In socialist Canada..... - 6/13/2010 5:05:39 PM   
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If there was panel on every southwest facing roof,we could cut the amount of fossil fuel usage by 20% or better.Add bio fuels of every sort.Geo-thermal,wind,tidal and other ocean current energy capturing devices.Subsidize small local hydro plants instead of subsidizing BP/Exon/Massey.
That wouldn't work too well up here where our roofs are buried under 2-3' of snow for half the year....


That raises an interesting point, though - do you guys have much of a solar power industry up there? Is there much point to it at those latitudes?


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RE: In socialist Canada..... - 6/13/2010 5:23:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't heard of much really, but a quick Google search showed quite a lot of hits, but I don't know how they get around the snow...unless they are heated, which has to cut down on the efficiency somewhat

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RE: In socialist Canada..... - 6/13/2010 5:26:42 PM   
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If there was panel on every southwest facing roof,we could cut the amount of fossil fuel usage by 20% or better.Add bio fuels of every sort.Geo-thermal,wind,tidal and other ocean current energy capturing devices.Subsidize small local hydro plants instead of subsidizing BP/Exon/Massey.
That wouldn't work too well up here where our roofs are buried under 2-3' of snow for half the year....


Wasn`t talk`n about the 51st.

I was refering to the lower 48.



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RE: In socialist Canada..... - 6/13/2010 5:29:39 PM   
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Wasn`t talk`n about the 51st.

I was refering to the lower 48.
LOL...still you have similar problems in the northern states...what to do about all the friggen snow, it would even fuck up small roof-top wind generators

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RE: In socialist Canada..... - 6/13/2010 5:39:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know.Just rib`n ya.

Alternative is my point.Non-centralized,multiple small scale projects,etc.

I hear that the US,there billions of watts spilling over dams un-unitized.

One reason is that small scale hydro power can`t compete ,is b/c of government subsidized centralized fossil generated power.

Let`s even the playing field.


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RE: In socialist Canada..... - 6/13/2010 6:03:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Agreed Owner, small scale Hydro doesn't even require a dam, just a dynamo in water flowing fast and strong enough to turn it...hell there are tons of such locations in Canada, and I do mean TONS, you don't need that much water power if you are using a shitload of small dynamos, we have a gazillion rivers we could use

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RE: In socialist Canada..... - 6/13/2010 7:43:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I`ve seen very simple very affective ones using a length of plastic pipe with a screw turbine inside.Self-contained and simple.Just drop it in and go.One can add capacity easily by adding length and drop.

Then the water returns back to flow downstream.

Not enough to power a whole house all the time.But how about a %.Like 20 or 30 %.Or 100% of a homes needs during non-peek hrs.Every little bit helps.

Add some geo-thermal for heating/cooling the home and super effectiant LED lights that require only a fraction of the power a regular bulb needs,build walls and cielings with 30 R-value or higher to keep the heat/cool and solar panels for when it`s applicable and use Tyveck or another house-rap.

Tho most of Canada has less solar gain than the southern parts,so why not use solar panels there and do something else for the colder/less sunny parts of Canada.

Someday,I`m going to drill some wells on my property,but they`ll be for gathering geo-thermal energy.I`m going to drill until I`ve gathered enough capacity to heat and cool my home.


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RE: In socialist Canada..... - 6/13/2010 7:57:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree Owner there are a lot of things we can do on a small scale that will help...and if enough people do small scale, guess what...it suddenly becomes large scale

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RE: In socialist Canada..... - 6/13/2010 8:02:43 PM   
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Combustion will always be with us no matter what happens with fossil fuel.We`ll always enjoy cars and warm homes and everything that makes modern living what it is,only with smarts and sustainability.


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RE: In socialist Canada..... - 6/14/2010 8:38:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		and then look at the amount of people in the world whom are starving just so people can what drive to a store instead of take a bus or something please try again.


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RE: In socialist Canada..... - 6/14/2010 8:54:45 AM   
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They require oil companies to drill relief wells ,.......just in case,along with the extraction wells.So if something goes wrong,they`re all ready set up to react.

Sure it costs more to extract the oil and gas.....if everything goes right.

If something goes wrong,they cost pennies on the dollar

If anything is true,it`s accidents will happen.

How much is it costing us now, not requiring relief wells?

But look at what the a-holes at BP are asking the Canucks to do.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1326556220100513?type=marketsNews

Drop those regulations.

Question to the boards......

Should we in the US require all offshore drilling to include relief wells?

The reason we require lifevests and fire extinguishers on boats is because we know shit will happen.To not have those thing would be criminal negligence,even on a private boat.

The oil business is no different than any business in America. It is not about products and services...it is about money. That's all that matters. Safety...cost money, employees cost money, regulations cost money, so we see a minimum concern for each.

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