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LadyHibiscus -> RE: Online Dominantion: Do any lifestyle Dommes enjoy it (6/3/2010 8:16:21 PM)

Well put, LP!




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: Online Dominantion: Do any lifestyle Dommes enjoy it (6/3/2010 8:46:09 PM)

Is it just me, or are the self-promotional broadcasts getting really old?  I could have sworn this site had a section dedicated to Professional Services.


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RedMagic1 -> RE: Online Dominantion: Do any lifestyle Dommes enjoy it (6/3/2010 8:54:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

Is it just me, or are the self-promotional broadcasts getting really old?

No.  It's not just you.

LadyCimarron, there are women, including some dominant women, who enjoy watching men masturbate.




seekingOwnertoo -> RE: Online Dominantion: Do any lifestyle Dommes enjoy it (6/3/2010 9:33:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

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ORIGINAL: domiguy


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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer

A complex question, actually.  It's true I won't engage in it with a stranger unless I am being paid to do so, except under fairly rare circumstances. 

But with time and patience and skill, it does click more often than not, unless the guy's a total self-centered douche who doesn't really take to my control and direction at all.



I smell bullshit. When the guy is paying you...You are the one that jumps through the hoops.

He pays he gets the right to be "a total self-centered douche who doesn't really take to my control and direction at all."

And you become the bitch.


Not true in all cases. If you are self-made and don't need the money (to pay for rent, for example) but instead are supplementing your income, and/or have way more demand than supply for your time, you can pick and choose clients and set your rates. 



While it is rare ... i step into this ... well what domi called it ... i guess i should fess up.

i have known a few professionals in my time. Some good ... some bad.

In fact ... a Lady, whom i remember fondly ... was a pro ... and She was really a GREAT DOMINANT LADY!

Taught me a so much about BDSM ... when i was first learning. And insisted i learn.

Once She had me hooked ... there was no way i was in charge ... in any way.

So i am comfortable saying ... LNT and Akasha are on the money ... [;)]

That said ....



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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

Is it just me, or are the self-promotional broadcasts getting really old?

No. It's not just you.

LadyCimarron, there are women, including some dominant women, who enjoy watching men masturbate.




After reading these thoughts ... i went back and re read the OP.

And ya know ... i tend to think SAL and Red ... hit the nail square on the head.

Nothing like free advertising ...




LadyNTrainer -> RE: Online Dominantion: Do any lifestyle Dommes enjoy it (6/3/2010 11:01:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan
Is it just me, or are the self-promotional broadcasts getting really old?  I could have sworn this site had a section dedicated to Professional Services.


If my purpose in posting on the forums was to attract clients, I would not be saying the vast majority of the things I say here.  I spend most of my forum time talking about my poly family and how much I love my collared boys.  Occasionally I talk about how I'm a giant nerd and like to play D&D, and about Asperger's.  This is not the best sort of advertisement for someone whose intent is to market themselves glamorously to lonely single men.  That's not why I'm on the forums; it's the wrong demographic anyhow.  It's actually fairly rare that I say much from a specifically pro dom perspective, but sometimes it is relevant, and in those cases I will speak freely and honestly about my personal feelings and experiences.

I have a valid point of view based on a lot of years mostly not spent as a pro, and also on experience doing pro work.  I think it's a valuable perspective to contribute from, if folks actually want to know what it feels like to walk in those shoes.   This is what it feels like from the inside when you make the decision to do pro work.  And this is very often the response you will get from the outside, because other folks are likely to be angry with you and discriminate against you for various reasons when you make this choice.

I agree that it entirely lacks class for a pro to go into the social community and solicit there.  It's certainly not tolerated at munches or play parties, and it isn't well received in online social venues either.  Nor should it be.  But a wise community respects the knowledge and experience resources they have, and that includes the professionals, as long as they are participating in the community *as* a community and not just trolling for business. 

We have a presence and a voice.  Our choices may not be your choices, and that's fine.  Please respect diversity and the rights of other adults to make their own choices.   Overall the professional presence does make a positive contribution to the community, and we have as much right as you do to speak out and to share our perspectives.  If you don't think that this perspective adds anything to your experience of the forums, feel free to put everyone who isn't pure enough for you on block and ignore. 




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: Online Dominantion: Do any lifestyle Dommes enjoy it (6/4/2010 8:54:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer

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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan
Is it just me, or are the self-promotional broadcasts getting really old?  I could have sworn this site had a section dedicated to Professional Services.


If my purpose in posting on the forums was to attract clients, I would not be saying the vast majority of the things I say here. [major snippage]



Just for the record, this was not directed at you or the OP.  I find your posts, in particular, informative and interesting.  If you look at my first post on this thread (or read the FAQ for that matter), you'll find my views regarding professionals to be positive.  I wish more people would make use of a professional's services.  While I am not inclined to turn pro, I'm often fascinated by the perspectives of professional dominatrices.
 
However, since you've decided to take this as a personal affront, then perhaps you should spend some time reflecting on why that might be the case.  And, while you're engaged in introspection, you're more than welcome to hide my posts because, as you point out, I have a right to voice an opinion.  If it offends you, that's your problem, not mine.




LadyNTrainer -> RE: Online Dominantion: Do any lifestyle Dommes enjoy it (6/4/2010 9:15:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan
However, since you've decided to take this as a personal affront, then perhaps you should spend some time reflecting on why that might be the case.


That's a good idea, thank you.  I already know the answer, sadly.  It's the same reason that we're all likely to get a bit bristly on this forum when we hear a "submissive" man talk in a self-focused way about his fetishes and sexual desires, even if that particular individual isn't one of those who is actually being rude about it.  Basically it's overload and overexposure, the expectation (and repeated experience) of people being inconsiderate to you in this context.  Pros get it from a slightly different quarter, but we certainly do get it often enough to grow a few uncomfortable prickles.  Sorry if you got stuck by them.



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And, while you're engaged in introspection, you're more than welcome to hide my posts because, as you point out, I have a right to voice an opinion.  If it offends you, that's your problem, not mine.



I've only ever hidden one person, and that's because I safeword at bad science, especially when it's spammed.  I don't think I've ever encountered another poster who does that thing, at least not on these forums.




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: Online Dominantion: Do any lifestyle Dommes enjoy it (6/4/2010 9:26:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer

Basically it's overload and overexposure, the expectation (and repeated experience) of people being inconsiderate to you in this context.

 
I think it sucks that pros get the flack they do, but then someone like the person the comment was directed at comes along, and is a shining example of why pros catch hell.  But this is developing into a hijack of the topic, so rather than expound on my opinions of the value of professional dominatrices, I'll just leave you with the following thought:

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I safeword at bad science


This made me LOL.  Literally.  Thank you.  [:D]
 
We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.




LadyCimarron -> RE: Online Dominantion: Do any lifestyle Dommes enjoy it (6/4/2010 9:49:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

Is it just me, or are the self-promotional broadcasts getting really old?

No.  It's not just you.

LadyCimarron, there are women, including some dominant women, who enjoy watching men masturbate.



Hi Red.... I enjoy watching men masturbate.....That is.....men I know and have some sort of relationship with. Men on cam who I have never met before begging me to let them expose themselves to me?  No thank you.




LadyCimarron -> RE: Online Dominantion: Do any lifestyle Dommes enjoy it (6/4/2010 9:58:30 AM)

[:)] OK LADIES. off-topic. I am not pro, I have nothing against them, and I love my dominant sisters whether they are pro or lifestyle or a combination of the two. Bless you all; but lets get back to the topic of online domination.  Thank you. [;)]


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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer

Basically it's overload and overexposure, the expectation (and repeated experience) of people being inconsiderate to you in this context.

 
I think it sucks that pros get the flack they do, but then someone like the person the comment was directed at comes along, and is a shining example of why pros catch hell.  But this is developing into a hijack of the topic, so rather than expound on my opinions of the value of professional dominatrices, I'll just leave you with the following thought:

quote:

I safeword at bad science


This made me LOL.  Literally.  Thank you.  [:D]
 
We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.




LadyPact -> RE: Online Dominantion: Do any lifestyle Dommes enjoy it (6/4/2010 9:59:30 AM)

On the subject of self promotion and ONLY self promotion.

I honestly don't mind folks who come to these boards for self advertising for the most part.  I've even gone so far as to recommend folks who are providing good products.  I have no problem endorsing anything that I have ever purchased and been happy about.  Of course, not everybody makes a good product and if I'm ever unhappy about something, you are going to see Me mention that, too.

I view a service the same way that I do as it comes to products when it comes to those involved in wiitwd.  If a pro comes to these boards to sell herself (the service), I don't have a problem with it.  There is an exception to this rule.  When that person comes to these boards in attempting to do that self promotion, and in doing so reveals her own lack of knowledge about her own trade, I'm not going to pretend that she's as great and awesome about her craft as she would like to make herself out to be.  Lately, we seem to have a few "pros" who come to these boards to ask the most simplistic questions about how to manage their affairs or in their answers to posts, they show how truely ignorant they are about any of this.  I doubt they even know what an ass they are making out of themselves, but I tend to think it takes them less than twenty posts for folks to realize they are full of shit.  I'm not going to make exceptions for those who want to project an image just because they've possibly made a buck from someone who wanted to kiss their feet.

Don't get Me wrong.  There are definitely pros out there that I can respect.  I base this on their knowledge, talent, and skill regarding BDSM.  At the same time, when someone comes here and presents themselves in such a way that I have no faith that they could 'dominate' a wet paper bag, don't expect Me not to call them on it.




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: Online Dominantion: Do any lifestyle Dommes enjoy it (6/4/2010 10:16:23 AM)

~FR~
 
So, on topic, I thought of another instance in which I would be willing to consider online domination.  This would be the new person, with whom I'm developing a relationship, and we are still figuring out if our styles and interests will mesh.  However, I would still stipulate that this is someone I've communicated with by email, IM, and phone for a significant period of time.  I'm not the sort of person who wants to meet right away.  I have to develop a level of comfort with the person, so I dole out contact info a little at a time on the way to working up to meeting in person.  So, I can see indulging in some online domination as a means of testing the waters.  Especially, if the person lives at a distance of more than a couple hours drive time, which would require more time to arrange than someone local.
 
But, again, this is all with the understanding that we're working toward a real-time relationship.  I don't think I would ever be satisfied with a strictly online arrangement unless I was getting cash or gifts as compensation.  Even then, I'm not sure I'd enjoy it.  I don't think my personality is cut out for it.




cloudboy -> RE: Online Dominantion: Do any lifestyle Dommes enjoy it (6/4/2010 10:20:16 AM)

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On the subject of self promotion and ONLY self promotion.

I honestly don't mind folks who come to these boards for self advertising for the most part. I've even gone so far as to recommend folks who are providing good products.


Do you own shares in Domiguy Industries?

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Write me down as one who thinks online domination is potentially more exciting than F2F, the reason being that it requires maximum communication skills and imagination, two things that physical contact sometimes over powers or muffles.

Also, keeping things online means the Domme can be more dominant and the sub can be more submissive -- in a dungeons & dragons flight of fantasy way. In this sense, the real world can't even compete.

As my high school English teacher used to say, "Iron bars do not a cage make."




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Online Dominantion: Do any lifestyle Dommes enjoy it (6/4/2010 10:23:00 AM)

Well yes, Cloudboy, in that same way that orgasms from masturbation tend to be more intense than the ones from intercourse.




ReginaMirus -> RE: Online Dominantion: Do any lifestyle Dommes enjoy it (6/4/2010 10:24:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
Write me down as one who thinks online domination is potentially more exciting than F2F, the reason being that it requires maximum communication skills and imagination, two things that physical contact sometimes over powers or muffles.

Also, keeping things online means the Domme can be more dominant and the sub can be more submissive -- in a dungeons & dragons flight of fantasy way. In this sense, the real world can't even compete.

As my high school English teacher used to say, "Iron bars do not a cage make."



Fair enough.

So how many long term relationships have you had with someone via online domming, and how long did they last?




LadyNTrainer -> RE: Online Dominantion: Do any lifestyle Dommes enjoy it (6/4/2010 10:25:18 AM)

I tend to describe myself as a refugee from academia, but the fact is that there is no refuge.  [:D]   I have automatic high expectations of intelligence, literacy, articulation, good science and solid principles of logic from anyone I am in conversation with.  They aren't always met perfectly, and I can deal with that to some extent.  But a crackpot parody of academic standards with deliberately flawed data and not just premature but utterly unsupported conclusions declared is one of the few things that has the power to make me run away yelling "Safeword!" There's a lot of web pages like that, especially in the conspiracy and New Age genres.  They are a glimpse into literal insanity.

Having high standards in this respect also makes online domination and roleplaying interesting.  I used to participate a fair bit in the MUCK/MUSH/MOO communities online, building elaborate sets for roleplaying on these early text-based, non graphical platforms.  It was always fairly difficult to find partners who could match my standards for good quality creative writing, plotlines, settings and character backstory.  I finally stopped erotic roleplaying online altogether in favor of nonsexual roleplaying gaming where the focus was purely on the writing, the plot and the character development, because the quality of creative writers interested in the latter was so much higher.  I would much rather roleplay a high quality but totally or primarily nonsexual story online than something erotic or kinky with lower quality writing. 

When the graphical servers for virtual shared worlds came out, I participated some, but ran into the same issues where people were mostly substituting pretty pictures or hack and slash gaming for good quality character and plot development in their roleplaying. I largely abandoned that also when it became pretty clear it wasn't the best environment for actual high quality roleplaying. 

And that is one thing that a text-based online environment can do that is harder to achieve in reality, and that is the introduction of fantastic or magical props and settings with good suspension of disbelief.  Currently I run an online roleplaying group weekly in a text-based environment, and all the participants are *excellent* creative writers with a real investment in their characters and the storyline.   It's not sexual or kinky at all, though very occasionally adult themes have cropped up in the course of the game.  Now if I had a kinky roleplaying partner of the same caliber as my experienced and plot-focused roleplaying gamers, I expect we'd have a lot of fun.  Actually both my partners would fit that description, but since we're a real life household, we don't do too much of our interaction online.  We have done some, and it's been fun.  I'd enjoy doing it again.  But as long as I can get my hands on them in person, I'm guessing that we probably won't be spending a ton of time typing to each other online.





LadyPact -> RE: Online Dominantion: Do any lifestyle Dommes enjoy it (6/4/2010 10:31:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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On the subject of self promotion and ONLY self promotion.

I honestly don't mind folks who come to these boards for self advertising for the most part. I've even gone so far as to recommend folks who are providing good products.


Do you own shares in Domiguy Industries?


You might want to look through some old threads that reference the same name.




PeonForHer -> RE: Online Dominantion: Do any lifestyle Dommes enjoy it (6/4/2010 10:36:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Strangercam? Not for me! People I KNOW entertaining me? Absolutely!


Ditto that, from the other side.  I can't imagine doing cam for a woman I don't know.  It'd feel a dry and depressing experience.  Someone with whom I've already played - still more, a partner - definitely.

Hmm.  Just contemplating the technology:  it could make a massive difference.  My first thought:  her voice wired through really good stereo speakers.  It'd give it an extra dose of domme-power. 




LadyCimarron -> RE: Online Dominantion: Do any lifestyle Dommes enjoy it (6/4/2010 10:37:26 AM)

cloudboy: you make a valid point. But you must know that while most females who weighed in DO like some online play, most only engage in it with men they already have established relationships with me. For instance, I have had subs who were in the military. Of course the military has a long history of separating lovers for war, military classes, training exercises, you name it. In those instances when I was separated from someone whom I cared for, online play was very good. But most women will get nothing out of dominating a man online whom they have not met and have no real connection to.




seekingOwnertoo -> RE: Online Dominantion: Do any lifestyle Dommes enjoy it (6/4/2010 11:37:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyCimarron

... while most females who weighed in DO like some online play, most only engage in it with men they already have established relationships with ...

But most women will get nothing out of dominating a man online whom they have not met and have no real connection to.


And my own …

Not statistically valid sampling … of Non-Pro Ladies … who don’t post on the boards …

further supports Your statement.

So now, just what is this thread all about again? [;)]




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