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daddysliloneds -> RE: Why is it distant Dom's always insist on giving... (6/5/2010 8:53:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hisasset

i have a distant Dom, i understand that distance is an issue. Punishment must be handed out for offenses, misbehavior..but why is the punishment always borderline arrestable activity? There are things that i have been asked to do that i could honestly go to jail for if the wrong person saw, or was offended.

Can someone give me some insight, as i am told, "you do it because i said so" when i ask.


insight? you mean to tell me you can't figure out for yourself that you're beeing played by an fucktard?




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Why is it distant Dom's always insist on giving... (6/5/2010 10:26:23 AM)

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That or however long it took for her to be (very unconsentually) raped or beat to a pulp because she was sent off to have sex with some strange man


Ah yes let's go straight to the fear mongering "You're going to end up dead in a ditch by the time you're 25!"

30 now, somehow ok :)

I understand kinky people have a lot of issues when it comes to consensual sex for money (which in itself is bizarre but it's there so I deal with it) but it doesn't make my owner a pimp any more than an owner ordering their slave to get the oil changed makes him a mechanic. Service is service, and trust me, I was ordered to use my sexuality to gain favor for him with people I would NEVER have chosen for myself. And yes, that was some of what he enjoyed, knowing I'd do it because he ordered it.

Again, we're all sing-song "As long as you're informed and give consent and it doesn't hurt anyone, yay! GO for it!" until it hits that arbitrary "Oh wait unless it's THAT!" wall.

Just because your wall is over there and mine is over here doesn't mean you get to go all closed minded vanilla on me and expect to be taken seriously.




zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Why is it distant Dom's always insist on giving... (6/5/2010 10:52:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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That or however long it took for her to be (very unconsentually) raped or beat to a pulp because she was sent off to have sex with some strange man


Ah yes let's go straight to the fear mongering "You're going to end up dead in a ditch by the time you're 25!"

30 now, somehow ok :)

I understand kinky people have a lot of issues when it comes to consensual sex for money (which in itself is bizarre but it's there so I deal with it) but it doesn't make my owner a pimp any more than an owner ordering their slave to get the oil changed makes him a mechanic. Service is service, and trust me, I was ordered to use my sexuality to gain favor for him with people I would NEVER have chosen for myself. And yes, that was some of what he enjoyed, knowing I'd do it because he ordered it.

Again, we're all sing-song "As long as you're informed and give consent and it doesn't hurt anyone, yay! GO for it!" until it hits that arbitrary "Oh wait unless it's THAT!" wall.

Just because your wall is over there and mine is over here doesn't mean you get to go all closed minded vanilla on me and expect to be taken seriously.


Overly defensive much? So if I get what you're saying, prostitutes are never raped and/or beaten to death? How is it fear mongering when what I'm saying does and can happen? I'm not saying that it happens every time but lets be honest here it does happen.

Closed minded vanilla? You gotta be kidding. With one breath you are telling me not to judge the risks you take then tell me I'm vanilla because I'm not willing to take those same risks and not to be taken seriously.

Lets also be clear that I don't give a rats ass what you and your owner engage in....honestly. You enjoy it, great, more power to ya. But don't call me a fear monger when I'm commenting on something that really does happen. Feel free to ignore it can't say I give a fuck but to give the impression that it's 100% safe is a dangerous thing to do lest someone with little/no experience think she is completely safe and not take precautions.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Why is it distant Dom's always insist on giving... (6/5/2010 11:00:24 AM)

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With one breath you are telling me not to judge the risks


That's not what I said, I encourage judging of all sorts- but I encourate smart judging, which you've shown none of so far, and I encourage people actually living by what they say (adult informed consent) rather than just giving it lip service and saying "Unless it's that, then it's not really ok at all."




zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Why is it distant Dom's always insist on giving... (6/5/2010 1:30:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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With one breath you are telling me not to judge the risks


That's not what I said, I encourage judging of all sorts- but I encourate smart judging, which you've shown none of so far, and I encourage people actually living by what they say (adult informed consent) rather than just giving it lip service and saying "Unless it's that, then it's not really ok at all."


I haven't judged smartly, really? Are you sure? True I've never been a prostitute and I never will be. As I've said in previous posts, it's not for me. I judge the risks of with going off with strange men to have sex to be too high in my opinion. I have never said anyone else shouldn't do it. Sounds like smart judgement to me. As I said before, it works in your dynamic - far out have at it. I've never said "unless it's this then it's not okay at all. Adults can and will do what they want, I really don't give a rats ass. Just don't pretend there aren't risks.

You really don't even have the first clue who I am and  what my relationship with my current and past partners entail. So really you cannot say that I do or don't make smart judgements. Yet you called me vanilla because I don't do what you do. So if anyone is judging here it's you, looking down your nose at me because I think "prostitution play" is too risky.





thishereboi -> RE: Why is it distant Dom's always insist on giving... (6/5/2010 2:03:56 PM)

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I understand kinky people have a lot of issues when it comes to consensual sex for money (which in itself is bizarre but it's there so I deal with it) but it doesn't make my owner a pimp any more than an owner ordering their slave to get the oil changed makes him a mechanic.


Ok, like I said before, if that's what you want to do, go for it and have fun. That said, sending a girl out to have sex for money is pimping. Your example makes no sense.




Rochsub2009 -> RE: Why is it distant Dom's always insist on giving... (6/5/2010 2:37:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I understand kinky people have a lot of issues when it comes to consensual sex for money but it doesn't make my owner a pimp...



Your owner's name wouldn't happen to be "Guido", would it?  [:D]

(i hope everyone caught the reference there)  [;)]




Jeffff -> RE: Why is it distant Dom's always insist on giving... (6/5/2010 3:12:14 PM)


I judge the risks of with going off with strange men to have sex to be too high in my opinion. I


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zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Why is it distant Dom's always insist on giving... (6/5/2010 3:28:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff


I judge the risks of with going off with strange men to have sex to be too high in my opinion. I





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Awww buck up little anteater, you aren't a complete stranger *waggles eyebrows suggestively*




InvisibleBlack -> RE: Why is it distant Dom's always insist on giving... (6/5/2010 3:58:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hisasset
Can someone give me some insight, as i am told, "you do it because i said so" when i ask.


This thread has spun all over the place, which it always does when someone pushes the "how edgy do you consider okay" question out into the public. Personally, it's your life, it's your relationship, it's your dynamic - as long as you're not intruding on anyone else and you're both happy with it, it's really none of my business.

However, I think your question has some validity since it sounds like you're not happy with it. I think there are a couple of points that people of whatever age or experience seem to stumble through as they explore the whole M/s - D/s - whatever dynamic.

A) Being Dominant does not automatically make someone sane, intelligent, all-knowing, stable, capable, rational or good relationship material. Some Doms are brilliant. Some Doms are idiots. Some Doms are caring. Some Doms are cruel. Some are on bizarre power trips. Some are dangerous. Just because someone enjoys giving orders doesn't mean those orders are worth obeying.

B) Because you're submissive doesn't mean that your life still isn't your responsibility. Yes, you can turn the decision-making over to someone else. YOU still chose who that someone else is. "I was just obeying orders" didn't work at Nuremberg and it won't work for you either. If your Dom tells you to hold up a liquor store and you do, you are committing a felony. If your Dom tells you to stick your arm in a jet turbine and you do it, losing your arm is your own fault. If you're going to submit so intensely that all freedom of choice is going to be removed from your life and given to someone else - then who that someone is is the single most important decision in your life. Maybe you should get to know that person really well before devoting yourself to them in that way.

C) Submission doesn't have to be an immediate all or nothing. You can submit in stages. As your relationship develops, as you learn and grow, and you draw closer to each other all aspects of your relationship should be improving. You should be communicating better, trusting each other more, developing a better understanding of each other and enjoying every new discovery about the person you're with. You can start with some kink and some very broad limits on what you'll submit to and expand what you're doing over time until the level of trust and togetherness is so intense that nothing is beyond the pale.


I've seen a number of cases where the need to submit was so strong in someone that they would dive into an extreme relationship with the first person who came along who seemed generally acceptable. This typically ends extremely poorly.

Likewise, I've known a number of Doms whose entire purpose in the Dominance side of things was to stoke the mad fire of their ego by making someone do the most senseless or extreme things they could think of, which every time they succeeded only made them think up more things in an endless cycle until something snapped.

Neither of these is the genesis of a good relationship. Find someone you like and who likes you and enjoy yourself together.

 




xxblushesxx -> RE: Why is it distant Dom's always insist on giving... (6/5/2010 4:52:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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I understand kinky people have a lot of issues when it comes to consensual sex for money (which in itself is bizarre but it's there so I deal with it) but it doesn't make my owner a pimp any more than an owner ordering their slave to get the oil changed makes him a mechanic.


Ok, like I said before, if that's what you want to do, go for it and have fun. That said, sending a girl out to have sex for money is pimping. Your example makes no sense.



Yes, sex for money is prostitution, and if someone else is setting up the assignations and collecting the money (s)he is a pimp.




GraciousLady -> RE: Why is it distant Dom's always insist on giving... (6/5/2010 5:04:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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I understand kinky people have a lot of issues when it comes to consensual sex for money (which in itself is bizarre but it's there so I deal with it) but it doesn't make my owner a pimp any more than an owner ordering their slave to get the oil changed makes him a mechanic.


Ok, like I said before, if that's what you want to do, go for it and have fun. That said, sending a girl out to have sex for money is pimping. Your example makes no sense.



Yes, sex for money is prostitution, and if someone else is setting up the assignations and collecting the money (s)he is a pimp.


This statement about prostitution and being a pimp is one I agree with. Also, I have no problems with money for sex but it is illegal at this time so being a prostitute can result in a criminal record and even jail time. If this person has such a thing on their record there is the chance they would not be hired for some jobs and, if this got out, it could impact them and their family socialy.




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Why is it distant Dom's always insist on giving... (6/5/2010 5:48:34 PM)

Okay... the Original Poster has made only one post to the boards. Did not cough up any specifics regarding the "Borderline" Arrestable activitity. Ummm... just what the hell is a borderline arrestable activitity anyways? Such an obtruse riddle to which everybody is responding to here.

Clearly can take prostitution off the table, cause that ain't a borderline arrestable activitity. That's an arrestable activitity in the State of Florida where the OP is located.

Sounds to me, like this is a matter of exhibitionism or indecent exposure. Where if somebody did not like it, or if perhaps the wrong person saw it (ie. a minor or somebody who's moral values is against it), they just might 911 it in. This is eluded to in the opening post.

Anyways, al be it so be it, geee... I dare express that it sounds a bit like they are using punishment as a guise to act out fantasy here, compared to using punishment to correct undesired behavior. This is the general tone or vibe, that I'm getting off from the Opening Post.

Then again, it's always fun to see a newbie poster.. Start up a thread like this and thier post count is only 1, and it gets everybody in a good stir. LOL..




slava -> RE: Why is it distant Dom's always insist on giving... (6/5/2010 6:11:12 PM)

who said that prostitutes go with strange men? what if yr man whores you out to his friends, or ppl he knows or trusts? what if the whore knows her clients, and trusts them and feels safe? not all whores take high risks. somehow i feel you have this vision of a street whore, being picked up by guys in cars.. there are lots of whores in my city, its very rare i hear in the news about a whore who got murdered or beat to a pulp.. i actually think convenient store clerks are at higher risk.. oh geez.. am i off the topic here.. and where did the OP go??




BabieGothika -> RE: Why is it distant Dom's always insist on giving... (6/5/2010 6:26:48 PM)

If he is away, u can just tell him than u did what he asked u to do and that is all, hehehe, dont do it if u gonna be in risk[;)][;)][;)][;)][;)][;)][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|]




Bobanna -> RE: Why is it distant Dom's always insist on giving... (6/5/2010 9:38:01 PM)

If your doing stupid things that can cause you to go to jail and you know what youre doing could send you to jail... then maybe you should go to jail.  Period.   Stupid is, is what stupid does ... and there are many many many many stupid people that flood our jail system.  And if you have the need to be told what to do, the CO's there will tell you what to do ALL DAY LONG.  My suggestion ... if you need to gamble ----> go to Vegas.




laurell3 -> RE: Why is it distant Dom's always insist on giving... (6/5/2010 9:40:01 PM)

Really? Because alot of wiitwd (that being those of us that participate in bdsm activities) is illegal in most states in the US. Many of us take risks and legality itself isn't really the issue.




LadyCimarron -> RE: Why is it distant Dom's always insist on giving... (6/6/2010 3:35:59 AM)

You know, people say that wiitwd is illegal but to be honest it doesn't really hold water. The police know about this lifestyle and barring the fact that someone might do something nonconsensual, practice with minors or get caught selling sex, there have been very few if any arrests made for participating in this lifestyle. But this is off topic so I will start another thread because I would like to explore this.




Palamino -> RE: Why is it distant Dom's always insist on giving... (6/6/2010 6:40:47 AM)

LadyChimmaron, Excellent idea, please do. I served on a grand jury for 6 months in a Southeastern state. I can verify that I can only think of one instance when we indited on what may have been a BDSM situation. A woman was reported running through the neighborhood naked. There were  no other witnesses. When the officer got to the house, the male in the house confirmed she did that. He didn't know why. She was arrested, and I fought it tooth and nail, but we indited her. I don't know the outcome, but regardless, no she has the time and expense of seeing it through. That folks is a very bad day. We DID indite for literally 100's of cases that in their vanillaness were shocking. It only takes a bruise from a woman and a complaint to get an arrest. The majority of those calls are classified domestic and Junior is sent. Junior doesn't have the experience to work to the real issue. Junior arrests as the big bad cop saving the world from scumbags, and I'm not differentiating on males here. We indited plenty of women from complaints by males. This is a fascinating issue to me, because I truly do think those within the lifestyle think they are safe from the nonsense. They are only safe from arrest because of the sanity of their partner. Partner changes their mind, and folks you're screwed. Period. Trust can not be understated. ~Palamino 




laurell3 -> RE: Why is it distant Dom's always insist on giving... (6/6/2010 10:14:32 AM)

Thank you for sharing that. Sadly in states with no grand jury for misdeameanors, there isn't that filter at all.




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