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tazzygirl -> RE: Joran van der Sloot - 5 years later (6/16/2010 5:59:28 AM)

Im speaking of after he serves his sentence.

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Joran Van der Sloot is reportedly trying to cop a plea in Peru in the killing of Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room - a deal that, reports say, could result in a nine-year prison sentence for the Dutchman.

Investigators say Flores, a 21-year-old business student, had a broken neck when her body was found.

Van der Sloot, 22, is also said to be offering to tell authorities in Aruba - and only in Aruba -- where Natalee Holloway is buried. The Alabama teen disappeared on the island five years ago. Van der Sloot is the chief suspect in that case -- he was held on two separate occasions during that probe, but never charged.

No one is sure if he really knows Holloway's body's whereabouts, or how his reported offer plays into the possible plea deal in the Flores death, reports CBS News Correspondent Elaine Quijano.

The deal, she says, would consist of van der Sloot pleading guilty to a lesser charge of emotional violence, as opposed to murder, which carries a possible 35-year term.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/11/earlyshow/main6571537.shtml

9 years isnt long enough for Holloways family to forget.




maybemaybenot -> RE: Joran van der Sloot - 5 years later (6/16/2010 6:21:05 AM)

FR

I intially thought he was a serial killer too. Then I listened to an FBI profiler who said that serial killers plan and plot out there killings and that in Joran's case it appears his killings are more rage killings without any planning.

In my head, when I was listening to this profiler, I was thinking :
I don't think we know enough about him to be able to rule out serial killer. So far, we really know little about his motivation/planning, IMO. His confession and accountings of his killings are lies, so who the heck knows. And does it matter ? Serial killer or rage killer ? Two woman, at least, are dead at his hands.

I'm very disappointed that Peru has such lenient sentencing for murderers. But on the upside, even if he gets the max,hoepfully he will be extridited  here or back to Aruba to face more charges and hopefully live out all his days in a prison cell. Then again, if Peruvian prisons are as I have heard, there is a good chance even a 7 year sentence is a death sentence for him there.

                          mbmbn




maybemaybenot -> RE: Joran van der Sloot - 5 years later (6/16/2010 6:29:07 AM)

I heard he wanted to go back to Aruba to tell his story. Looks like Aruba is a little tired of his BS and is going to Peru to interview him. NOT trying to bring him home to interview him. I find it incredable that Van der Sloot thinks he is the puppetmaster here and can tell the Peruvian and Aruban govt what he will and won't do and where he will do it.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/15/aruba.van.der.sloot/?hpt=Sbin




cadenas -> RE: Joran van der Sloot - 5 years later (6/16/2010 6:31:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Im speaking of after he serves his sentence.

quote:

Joran Van der Sloot is reportedly trying to cop a plea in Peru in the killing of Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room - a deal that, reports say, could result in a nine-year prison sentence for the Dutchman.

Investigators say Flores, a 21-year-old business student, had a broken neck when her body was found.

Van der Sloot, 22, is also said to be offering to tell authorities in Aruba - and only in Aruba -- where Natalee Holloway is buried. The Alabama teen disappeared on the island five years ago. Van der Sloot is the chief suspect in that case -- he was held on two separate occasions during that probe, but never charged.

No one is sure if he really knows Holloway's body's whereabouts, or how his reported offer plays into the possible plea deal in the Flores death, reports CBS News Correspondent Elaine Quijano.

The deal, she says, would consist of van der Sloot pleading guilty to a lesser charge of emotional violence, as opposed to murder, which carries a possible 35-year term.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/11/earlyshow/main6571537.shtml

9 years isnt long enough for Holloways family to forget.

Not sure what you are trying to say? Nine years is for the Flores case. After that, Peru would either deport him to his native Netherlands, or extradite him to Aruba for trial of the Holloway case. What does the Holloway family have to do with that?





cadenas -> RE: Joran van der Sloot - 5 years later (6/16/2010 6:40:37 AM)

Peru's sentencing isn't particularly lenient. It's just that here in the USA we got so used to an inflation of sentences that we lost sight of what is normal. In fact, the maximum Peruvian sentence is longer than most European countries would have for the same crime.

He probably won't get extradited to the USA exactly because of the US sentencing. I don't know specifically about Peru, but in a number of countries, it is actually unconstitutional to extradite people accused of murder to the USA unless the USA agrees to a lesser sentence. I know this is the case in Mexico, France and Germany.

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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot
I'm very disappointed that Peru has such lenient sentencing for murderers. But on the upside, even if he gets the max,hoepfully he will be extridited  here or back to Aruba to face more charges and hopefully live out all his days in a prison cell.






maybemaybenot -> RE: Joran van der Sloot - 5 years later (6/16/2010 6:57:16 AM)

I think the extradition to the US would be on the extortion charges, not murder.
I think extradition on Hollways' murder would be back to Aruba, where the murder occured. < allegedly >
I could be wrong. Can  the US try some one for murder, when the murder occurred in a country other than the US ?

I * think*  we have treaties with most countries that allow citizens to be extradited back to the US to face murder charges as long as the death penalty is not applied. Not to be charged with a lesser crime. Ira Einhorn was extradited from France to US on murder charges and quite a few others. As for Mexico:

From the US/Mexico Extradition treaty:
"The Extradition Treaty further provides that where the offense for which extradition is sought is punishable by death, extradition may be refused unless assurances are given that the death penalty shall not be imposed, and if imposed, shall not be executed.  Although the Mexican Constitution provides for the death penalty, no one has been executed, nor the provision implemented, since the mid-1950's.  [See “1917 Constitution of Mexico”, Article 22, which states “ . . .[C]apital punishment . . . can only be imposed  for high treason committed during a foreign war, parricide, murder that is treacherous, premeditated, or committed for profit, arson, abduction, highway robbery, piracy, and grave military offenses.”])"

http://www.escapingjustice.com/extrafpo.htm

            mbmbn




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xxblushesxx -> RE: Joran van der Sloot - 5 years later (6/16/2010 7:20:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx
Offensive

Nevertheless, it is motivation for the father.



What? I'm sorry I have no idea what you are getting at. Please explain.




Rule -> RE: Joran van der Sloot - 5 years later (6/16/2010 7:29:11 AM)

When the cat is away, the mice feast.




xxblushesxx -> RE: Joran van der Sloot - 5 years later (6/16/2010 7:31:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule

When the cat is away, the mice feast.


When logic fails, be cryptic and somewhat mysterious. Got it.




mistoferin -> RE: Joran van der Sloot - 5 years later (6/16/2010 7:32:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Rule

When the cat is away, the mice feast.


LOL...well it's all crystal clear now!




cadenas -> RE: Joran van der Sloot - 5 years later (6/16/2010 7:34:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot
I think the extradition to the US would be on the extortion charges, not murder.
I think extradition on Hollways' murder would be back to Aruba, where the murder occured. < allegedly >
I could be wrong. Can  the US try some one for murder, when the murder occurred in a country other than the US ?


As long as the victim or the perpetrator were a US citizen, yes. I think in the case of genocide, any country can prosecute, but ordinary murder only if there is a tie to the USA.

quote:

ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot
I * think*  we have treaties with most countries that allow citizens to be extradited back to the US to face murder charges as long as the death penalty is not applied. Not to be charged with a lesser crime. Ira Einhorn was extradited from France to US on murder charges and quite a few others. As for Mexico:


Yes, the extradition treaties are usually similar to the Mexican one you cited. In many countries, life without parole also is unconstitutional and would also prevent extradition. That was a holdup in a number of cases in Mexico, and I believe also in the Ira Einhorn case.

So, you are right - he could be extradited and tried for murder, but only if the prosecutor would seek a fixed number of years.

There also is a double-jeopardy issue if Aruba tries him for the murder.





Rule -> RE: Joran van der Sloot - 5 years later (6/16/2010 7:58:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx
When logic fails, be cryptic and somewhat mysterious. Got it.

I am neither. Simply read my post 26 again - slowly.




xxblushesxx -> RE: Joran van der Sloot - 5 years later (6/16/2010 7:08:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

quote:

ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx
When logic fails, be cryptic and somewhat mysterious. Got it.

I am neither. Simply read my post 26 again - slowly.



Silly silly specul;ation with not a shred of evidence to back it up. None. This is ridiculous.




Rule -> RE: Joran van der Sloot - 5 years later (6/16/2010 7:38:03 PM)

Then I must be right. Thank you.




xxblushesxx -> RE: Joran van der Sloot - 5 years later (6/16/2010 7:40:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

Then I must be right. Thank you.


How interesting your world must be.




Rule -> RE: Joran van der Sloot - 5 years later (6/16/2010 7:55:15 PM)

lol [;)]




tazzygirl -> RE: Joran van der Sloot - 5 years later (6/16/2010 10:56:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cadenas

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Im speaking of after he serves his sentence.

quote:

Joran Van der Sloot is reportedly trying to cop a plea in Peru in the killing of Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room - a deal that, reports say, could result in a nine-year prison sentence for the Dutchman.

Investigators say Flores, a 21-year-old business student, had a broken neck when her body was found.

Van der Sloot, 22, is also said to be offering to tell authorities in Aruba - and only in Aruba -- where Natalee Holloway is buried. The Alabama teen disappeared on the island five years ago. Van der Sloot is the chief suspect in that case -- he was held on two separate occasions during that probe, but never charged.

No one is sure if he really knows Holloway's body's whereabouts, or how his reported offer plays into the possible plea deal in the Flores death, reports CBS News Correspondent Elaine Quijano.

The deal, she says, would consist of van der Sloot pleading guilty to a lesser charge of emotional violence, as opposed to murder, which carries a possible 35-year term.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/11/earlyshow/main6571537.shtml

9 years isnt long enough for Holloways family to forget.

Not sure what you are trying to say? Nine years is for the Flores case. After that, Peru would either deport him to his native Netherlands, or extradite him to Aruba for trial of the Holloway case. What does the Holloway family have to do with that?




The charge would not be murder. The charge would be extortion.

(CNN) -- Joran van der Sloot, who authorities say has confessed to the murder of a Peruvian woman, faces criminal charges in Alabama because he tried to extort $250,000 from Natalee Holloway's mother, according to an Interpol document.

U.S. authorities last week announced an arrest warrant for van der Sloot on charges of extortion and wire fraud, but they did not name the victim.

In an Interpol document obtained by CNN Wednesday, American authorities ask Peruvian police to arrest van der Sloot and begin a process of extradition to the United States. The document states that Peruvian authorities can hold him if he is facing charges there.

According to the document, around March 29, van der Sloot contacted a representative of Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway.

The Dutch citizen, who was twice arrested in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway but released for lack of evidence, said he would reveal the location of the body and the circumstances surrounding her death for $25,000 in cash. He asked for $250,000 in total, the document states.

Van der Sloot and Beth Holloway's representative met in Aruba, where a payment of $10,000 was made to him, followed by a transfer of $15,000 to a personal bank account in the Netherlands, the document states.

In exchange, van der Sloot showed the representative a house where supposedly Holloway's remains were, according to the document. When records showed that the house wasn't even built at the time of her disappearance, van der Sloot admitted that he lied, Interpol said.

http://www.wibw.com/home/misc/95926249.html




sirsholly -> RE: Joran van der Sloot - 5 years later (6/17/2010 6:21:57 AM)

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9 years isnt long enough for Holloways family to forget.
a lifetime isn't long enough. This has to be unbearably painful for them.




DarkSteven -> RE: Joran van der Sloot - 5 years later (10/2/2010 9:17:51 PM)

It's all over.  The punk punched a guard and tried to escape.  He's now being moved to the general population.  He won't last long.




sub4hire -> RE: Joran van der Sloot - 5 years later (10/4/2010 1:47:18 PM)

I heard he had attempted escape over the weekend. I had a 29 year old throwing a weekend long temper tantrum here..so that's all I heard.




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