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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/9/2010 3:18:07 PM   
thompsonx


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I was fairly certain I'd made that clear, but apparently not....
You said
"Take a couple of google strokes and you will even find the tape of johnson saying "I want that god damn ship on the bottom."


I said

"[the tape] Doesn't exist."

I've repeated that a few times, pointing out that the quote you attribute to it is in reality double or triple hearsay, first stated decades after the event.

So, you were wrong. Will you admit such?
Will you admit you have neither viewed the "60 minutes" piece concerning this event nor read a transcript of it?



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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/9/2010 3:47:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I tried, I really did, because this on is by far not as clear cut as most of the conspiracy theories around here, but it was impossible to find what you are referencing in the 60 Minutes archives.

There is one piece that has basically a "he said that he heard" hearsay point, which claims that the president said, that he did not care if the ship sinks, he would not embarrass his ally.
But there is no hard evidence that this statement was made to be found. At least, not by me.

Now, if you have a link to the tape, I would really like to hear it, because I do believe that this one is fishy. After all I read today, I will throw my stuff in with the conspiracy believers on this one.
To me, it really looks like the attack was planned, and not an mistake. However, as to the reason why, I have found more than one possible, and plausible explanation.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/9/2010 3:51:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Don't you think the word 'admit' is kinda accusatorial for something I never even remotely claimed?
Of course I haven't, I've not heard of 60 minutes before this thread.

Now will you admit that you were wrong, and/or apologise for mistakenly insulting me?

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/9/2010 4:30:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DCWoody

Don't you think the word 'admit' is kinda accusatorial for something I never even remotely claimed?
Of course I haven't, I've not heard of 60 minutes before this thread.

Now will you admit that you were wrong, and/or apologise for mistakenly insulting me?



I do not know of any insult I have made to you.
I do find it inconcievable that there is an english speaking person in america over the age of 21 who has not heard of "60 minutes"

"60 Minutes is an American television news magazine, which has run on CBS since 1968. The program was created by long-time producer Don Hewitt who set it apart by using a unique style of reporter-centered investigation. It has been among the top-rated TV programs for much of its life, and has garnered numerous awards over the years, including 78 Emmys (as of 2007)[1]. It is considered by many to be the preeminent investigative television program in the United States."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/60_Minutes



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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/9/2010 4:48:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: calamitysandra

I tried, I really did, because this on is by far not as clear cut as most of the conspiracy theories around here, but it was impossible to find what you are referencing in the 60 Minutes archives.

Were you able to access the "60 minutes" archives because I have not...I do not know if it is just my lack of talent or what.


There is one piece that has basically a "he said that he heard" hearsay point, which claims that the president said, that he did not care if the ship sinks, he would not embarrass his ally.
But there is no hard evidence that this statement was made to be found. At least, not by me.

I heard the recording on the 60 minutes episode about this incident.

Now, if you have a link to the tape, I would really like to hear it, because I do believe that this one is fishy. After all I read today, I will throw my stuff in with the conspiracy believers on this one.

If I had a link to the tape I would post it.


To me, it really looks like the attack was planned, and not an mistake. However, as to the reason why, I have found more than one possible, and plausible explanation.

What have you found?


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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/9/2010 6:14:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		"I do not know of any insult I have made to you."
You said
"So your point is that you are too fucking lazy to actually go to google and look this shit up. [I did look it up]
So you post up like some adolescent mongoloid saying prove it...prove it...prove it.  [I never said anything of the sort]
If you had the balls that god gave a girlscout you would post up some refutation but so far all we have is your mouth wide open with nothing coming out."
In reply to me, quoting my post...quoting in fact, me saying among other things "I'm not even american."

You also said
"Take a couple of google strokes and you will even find the tape of johnson saying "I want that god damn ship on the bottom."


I said

"[the tape] Doesn't exist."

Now will you admit that you were wrong, and apologise for mistakenly insulting me?

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/10/2010 8:02:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DCWoody

"I do not know of any insult I have made to you."
You said
"So your point is that you are too fucking lazy to actually go to google and look this shit up. [I did look it up]


There are 136,000 hits on just the words uss liberty...clearly you have not searched them all

quote:

So you post up like some adolescent mongoloid saying prove it...prove it...prove it.  [I never said anything of the sort]
If you had the balls that god gave a girlscout you would post up some refutation but so far all we have is your mouth wide open with nothing coming out."


Which of the following provable statements, that I have posted, do you disagree with?
What is provable is that the liberty was attacked while flying the u.s. flag.
What is provable is that several israeli pilots repeatedly reported that it was a u.s. ship.
What is provable is the the israeli pilots who refused to participate in the attack were court martialed.
What is provable is that there was no congressional investigation of this incident.
What is provable is that the israeli government paid reparations.
What is provable is that aircraft were launched from u.s. carriers to protect the liberty and were recalled.
What is provable is the liberty was attacked by israeli aircraft.
What is provable is that the liberty was under survelance by the israeli airforce for more than 8 hours before the attack.
What is provable is the the u.s. has lied in the past about being attacked(gulf of tonkin).




quoting my post...quoting in fact, me saying among other things "I'm not even american."


Why would your nationality be of any importance in this discussion?

You also said
"Take a couple of google strokes and you will even find the tape of johnson saying "I want that god damn ship on the bottom."


I said

"[the tape] Doesn't exist."


Saying it does not exist does not prove it does not exist it only proves that you could not find it.

Now will you admit that you were wrong, and apologise for mistakenly insulting me?

I have not insulted you but the discussion is young so I will keep an open mind



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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/10/2010 8:44:16 AM   
DCWoody


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Status: offline 		God damn you're a cunt.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/10/2010 8:50:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DCWoody

God damn you're a cunt.


Ain't you just sweet as cake.
Is name calling what passes for discussion in your world?

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/10/2010 8:56:55 AM   
DCWoody


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Status: offline 		No, that'd be an insult. Difference is I can back mine up (read this thread), yours have all been shown inaccurate.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/10/2010 9:02:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DCWoody

No, that'd be an insult. Difference is I can back mine up (read this thread), yours have all been shown inaccurate.




Which of these is inaccurate?
What is provable is that the liberty was attacked while flying the u.s. flag.
What is provable is that several israeli pilots repeatedly reported that it was a u.s. ship.
What is provable is the the israeli pilots who refused to participate in the attack were court martialed.
What is provable is that there was no congressional investigation of this incident.
What is provable is that the israeli government paid reparations.
What is provable is that aircraft were launched from u.s. carriers to protect the liberty and were recalled.
What is provable is the liberty was attacked by israeli aircraft.
What is provable is that the liberty was under survelance by the israeli airforce for more than 8 hours before the attack.
What is provable is the the u.s. has lied in the past about being attacked(gulf of tonkin).


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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/10/2010 9:06:12 AM   
DCWoody


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Status: offline 		Your attacks on me. You really need to read stuff more carefully, I've had to repeat pretty much everything I type.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/10/2010 10:50:18 AM   
thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: DCWoody

Your attacks on me. You really need to read stuff more carefully, I've had to repeat pretty much everything I type.


If you would post substance instead of snark perhaps you would not have to repeat anything.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/10/2010 12:38:43 PM   
DCWoody


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Status: offline 		Snark?

I have finished with the substance. Putting to one side...as Michael Jackson, Lennon, & Elvis Presley, all alive and well sitting on my bed arguing about the spice girls, remind me....the impossibility of proving negatives to certain standards, I think I've shown well enough that in regards to the claims of yours I objected to, I was right, and you were wrong. Childish as that phrasing sounds, it's...accurate.
To wit: The tape does not exist, the tape cannot be found with quick googling (because it doesn't exist), I am not american, I did not sit here saying 'prove it prove it', I did look into it, I didn't try to make this a left v right thing (I don't even know which 'side' you thought I was on with that).

I'm not really sure about the girl scout testicles, so I'll leave that one.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/10/2010 5:36:12 PM   
thompsonx


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You forgot to stomp your foot and stick your tongue out.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/10/2010 8:37:02 PM   
DCWoody


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Status: offline 		The last question you asked of me was a result of you misunderstanding plain English, again. Less a case of answering, more a case of explaining that you were mistaken in even asking. Like I said, it's finished...you're wrong on every single point I disputed, that you keep typing shit doesn't make any difference.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/14/2010 11:23:26 AM   
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Wait a minute. You're telling me that the United States and Israel were going to blame this on a terrorist air force? Exactly which Middle East terrorist group was operating an air force at that time?

Egypt, Syria have 'air forces and once sunk, it wouldn't matter for any 'govt. conspiracy.' There was no necessity for an 'air force' and it is now it is unfortunate but it is obvious the American people...will believe anything...anything the govt. tells them. Israeli pilots saw that it was American and were threatened with court martial if they did not attack the ship.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/14/2010 11:25:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Panda.

You should know by now that facts and the real world are insignificant in the wonder that is Conspiracyland.

Facts...what facts ? The 'facts'  that the govt. tells you are...facts ? Suurreee...

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/14/2010 11:32:45 AM   
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PROOF?
Proof ?
Governments never need proof. All they need is gullible lemmings to believe everything it tells the people.

I want some more...a whole lot more...proof about just about everything govt. tells me.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/14/2010 11:37:19 AM   
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If you are asserting that those who served on that ship are lying, in what is almost a deathbed statement, sorry, the burden of proof is on you.

As a point in logic, the burden of proof is on the positive claim. That's you.

Bullshit, I want proof that the Israelis had any cause to attack anything especially unarmed small US Naval ship by itself out in international waters. I want proof that no one in the Israeli govt. or military failed to notice the ship being American and after hours of a concentrated attack.

I want a whole lot more...a whole lot more proof...from govt.

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