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DaddysInkedSlut -> RE: "FORCED" bi (6/10/2010 10:33:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DommeKeliDallas If you are "bi" another term I have a problem with...that mean that you are HALF GAY Wow are you truly this ignorant? If so god doesn't like stupid. There is no such thing as half gay. That is like saying someone is half prego. Come on now. Gays, lesbians, homosexuals are only attracted to people of the same sex. Straight or heterosexual are attracted to the opposite sex. Then there are those like myself that are attracted to BOTH men and women. And trust me I do exist. Lol I would also venture to say there are m/s and d/s dynamics where the slave or submissive is often "forced" into doing things for their owner including sexual acts. No they may not be physically forced or rapped but the mind is a strange thing and so is the connection between people sometimes. Sometimes you can beforced into doing things out of love, devotion, loyalty, or wanting to please someone else. THAT doesn't make you gay or even bisexual in my opinion. It makes you obedient and it makes you pleasing to your owner.

igor2003 -> RE: "FORCED" bi (6/10/2010 10:40:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: daddysprop247 quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 My point is that BDSM and kink in general (in fact life in general) is filled with terms that are used...though maybe not by you...to describe different scenes or actions. Yet people want to single out just one to complain about. oh this is not the only one complained about...check the archives someday. and whenever i happen to stumble across someone using a word or phrase in complete contradiction to the actual meaning of that terminology, i will be there, annoyingly pointing out the error of their ways![:D] I didn't say this was the only one. I said that people pick out just one to complain about instead of complaining about misleading terms in general. It sounds to me like if someone mentions "rape scene" to you, then by God there better be a police report done after it is all over with, right? And if someone else mentions something about "Cowboy and Indian maiden" then there better be a guy galloping in off the range on a lathered horse with a Sioux princess tied across the rump of the horse. How boring the English language would be if people didn't use analogies and descriptive terms. The terms are not meant to be literal...just descriptive. Complain about them if you wish.

DaddysInkedSlut -> RE: "FORCED" bi (6/10/2010 10:45:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: daddysprop247 quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 Yes, and in a rape scene there isn't any rape. And in "Cowboy and Indian Maiden" there isn't any cowboy or Indian maiden. And in "interigator and spy" there is no interigator or spy. And in BDSM slavery there isn't really any slave. So why complain about "forced bi" if there isn't any "forced"? not everyone within this lifestyle uses "terms" falsely for the purposes of hot scenes and kink. in fact, some of us do not engage in scenes at all. for some of us this lifestyle affords us the opportunity to live an authentic life and be our true selves. Some would argue that using the term "slave" or "slavery" to describe ones state of being or relationship is one of those terms at least in a literal/ historical stand point.

Ekoms -> RE: "FORCED" bi (6/10/2010 10:46:30 AM)
@Daddysinkedslut: You are absolutely correct. Gay and bisexual have nothing really in common and also, a submissive can be made to do things for service, do those things gladly to serve her dom or Master yet that does not "label" that person as one thing or another. My slave for example is not a "lesbian" and has no interest in bisexuality, yet she will pleasure my submissive girl at my request, anywhere, anytime, instantly, in any way I desire and enjoy pleasing her, that does not mean that if she was not my slave, she would seek any sexual contact with another woman, that is not what she likes nor her sexual orientation. Smoke

crazyml -> RE: "FORCED" bi (6/10/2010 11:18:14 AM)
I'm with you DIS.. To the OP... I am sure that many men who have forced-bi fantasies may well be in denial about their sexuality, but I'm certain that a significant proportion absolutely don't like men, and are neither gay nor bi. There are men who fantasise about being forced to eat shit - I really doubt this is about their secret desire to chow on excrement. For many I believe that forced-bi, forced-piss-drinking etc etc are about being forced into situations they find extremely humiliating. Personally I think it's a little silly to stomp about and make capitalised comments on a topic that anyone with an ounce of common sense ought to know is more complex than simply "You like the idea of being forced to suck cock therefore you must be gay". Then to say : quote: ORIGINAL: DommeKeliDallas If you are "bi" another term I have a problem with...that mean that you are HALF GAY and would suck dick anyway. That's plain ignorant. I would be interested to know how you came to the figure of 50%... have you done much research into sexuality. No, of course you haven't, if you had you wouldn't be making such absurd generalisations.

stef -> RE: "FORCED" bi (6/10/2010 11:27:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DommeKeliDallas If you are "bi" another term I have a problem with...that mean that you are HALF GAY and would suck dick anyway. I'm sorry, but you're an idiot. This is MY opinion. ~stef

daddysprop247 -> RE: "FORCED" bi (6/10/2010 11:29:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddysInkedSlut Some would argue that using the term "slave" or "slavery" to describe ones state of being or relationship is one of those terms at least in a literal/ historical stand point. yes, it is an argument which has been made many times...but those with such a belief tend to be unaware of the literal definition of slavery, which need not have anything to do with either consent or legality.

Jeffff -> RE: "FORCED" bi (6/10/2010 11:33:57 AM)
I have been FORCED hetero! Oddly enough, I was ok with that.

lizi -> RE: "FORCED" bi (6/10/2010 11:39:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DommeKeliDallas This term just makes me insane! There is NO SUCH THING as "forced bi." You are gay or you are NOT gay. "Oh Mistress. Make me suck a guy off...FOR YOU." STRAIGHT MEN DON'T SUCK DICK! ALL of the STRAIGHT men I know would never suck another man. GAY men do. Just accept you are GAY and move on with it. Gay is OK. This may be your opinion and as you state, you are entitled to it. It just comes across as very ignorant, ugly, and intolerant. In your chosen field of work you are probably going to run across this situation quite a few times so I guess your chosen method of dealing with it is whining instead of understanding? Good luck with that...

britcrucio -> RE: "FORCED" bi (6/10/2010 12:07:19 PM)
Half Gay??? That is really funny. I'm not sure what i think of it, i don't really have an opinion on it, so i'm not going to make something up for the sake of it. But it is funny. Half Gay...the top half or the bottom half??

GreedyTop -> RE: "FORCED" bi (6/10/2010 12:11:58 PM)
wow.. hot pic, brit...

DaddysInkedSlut -> RE: "FORCED" bi (6/10/2010 12:25:27 PM)
GT I agree brits pic is damn HAWT

DaddysInkedSlut -> RE: "FORCED" bi (6/10/2010 12:26:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: daddysprop247 quote: ORIGINAL: DaddysInkedSlut Some would argue that using the term "slave" or "slavery" to describe ones state of being or relationship is one of those terms at least in a literal/ historical stand point. yes, it is an argument which has been made many times...but those with such a belief tend to be unaware of the literal definition of slavery, which need not have anything to do with either consent or legality. IMO the same can be said for terms such as "forced bi" its not about consent.

Missokyst -> RE: "FORCED" bi (6/10/2010 12:35:17 PM)
Clearly the brains are not up top.. well. up topper.

SultryItalian -> RE: "FORCED" bi (6/10/2010 12:41:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer quote: ORIGINAL: DommeKeliDallas If you are "bi" another term I have a problem with...that mean that you are HALF GAY and would suck dick anyway. Telling bisexuals they don't exist is seriously rude, disrespectful and inconsiderate. My partner is pansexual; that means the genitals don't matter to him so much as the person. I think that's a pretty damn cool orientation, and a remarkably enlightened outlook. I think it's wonderful that he takes pleasure in being with men, women and all the flavors in between, as long as they're people he genuinely likes and cares for. And you'd try to put him in a box and call him "half gay" instead of respecting what bisexual and pansexual really means to the people who are oriented that way? That's not cool. The correct definition for someone who is only attracted to their own sex is gay, someone who is only attracted to the opposite sex is straight, and people who are interested in both are bi, even if it's situationally. "Half gay" is not an orientation, but bisexual definitely is. Respect it, please. That, right there.

Glasgow -> RE: "FORCED" bi (6/10/2010 1:22:12 PM)
quote: Situationally Bisexual How can a person be only situationally bisexual? I was under the opinion that bisexuality is something you are. I'm white, which doesn't change according to the situation. I'm heterosexual, which also does not change according to the situation - whether or not I'm engaging in sweaty acts with another woman. As long as we're all complaining, I really don't like the assumption that people who are bi- or pansexual are more "enlightened" than everyone else. Are you more enlightened than I just because I only like dick? I have very close friendships with both men and women, straight, bi, gay, whatever. The fact that I don't want to om-nom their genitals does not make me less enlightened than anyone else. If I refused to be friends with a homosexual - that would make me less enlightened.

DaddysInkedSlut -> RE: "FORCED" bi (6/10/2010 1:51:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Glasgow quote: Situationally Bisexual How can a person be only situationally bisexual? I was under the opinion that bisexuality is something you are. I'm white, which doesn't change according to the situation. I'm heterosexual, which also does not change according to the situation - whether or not I'm engaging in sweaty acts with another woman. As long as we're all complaining, I really don't like the assumption that people who are bi- or pansexual are more "enlightened" than everyone else. Are you more enlightened than I just because I only like dick? I have very close friendships with both men and women, straight, bi, gay, whatever. The fact that I don't want to om-nom their genitals does not make me less enlightened than anyone else. If I refused to be friends with a homosexual - that would make me less enlightened. 1. Situational bi-sexuallity IMO is when it is done to please a dom, owner , ect and not something they would do of their own accord. 2. I didn't see anyone in this thread state that bi-sexuals where more inlightened than anyone else.

LadyNTrainer -> RE: "FORCED" bi (6/10/2010 2:11:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Glasgow How can a person be only situationally bisexual? I was under the opinion that bisexuality is something you are. I'm white, which doesn't change according to the situation. I'm heterosexual, which also does not change according to the situation - whether or not I'm engaging in sweaty acts with another woman. Pretty easily. One of my partners is flat out pansexual, Kinsey dead middle, and he's that way all the time. My other partner fits more into the heteroflexible category, where he's basically straight but okay with limited and mostly nonsexual contact with men during play. I have had a situationally bisexual partner who enjoyed being sexual with other men when I was involved (and no, he didn't need to be "forced"), but he was not at all interested in dating men or playing with men alone. Alas, because I did my best to encourage him in that direction. So I'd consider that being situationally bisexual rather than fully bisexual. quote: As long as we're all complaining, I really don't like the assumption that people who are bi- or pansexual are more "enlightened" than everyone else. Are you more enlightened than I just because I only like dick? I have very close friendships with both men and women, straight, bi, gay, whatever. The fact that I don't want to om-nom their genitals does not make me less enlightened than anyone else. If I refused to be friends with a homosexual - that would make me less enlightened. Agreed. I don't see bisexuals as automatically more enlightened than anyone else, but if they're free and proud about it, then I do admire them for coming to terms with an unpopular and sometimes invisible sexual orientation. Coming to comfortable terms with your sexual orientation is pretty enlightening, even if that orientation is straight. When I am talking about my primary partner specifically, I do think he has an admirably enlightened view on how to relate to people socially and personally. Being pansexual probably did contribute to his ability to get to the point where he doesn't treat men or women or transpeople any differently or think of them differently, but it's not the only reason.

Rochsub2009 -> RE: "FORCED" bi (6/10/2010 2:17:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DommeKeliDallas There is NO SUCH THING as "forced bi." You are gay or you are NOT gay. "Oh Mistress. Make me suck a guy off...FOR YOU." STRAIGHT MEN DON'T SUCK DICK! ALL of the STRAIGHT men I know would never suck another man. GAY men do. Just accept you are GAY and move on with it. There is actually an element of truth in your OP. However, you added so many other things to it, that your good point got clouded. If a man requests to be forced to suck a cock, then there really is no forcing involved. Rather, he has a fantasy that he wants you to help facilitate. i think that is what you are getting at. You think that he should just go out and suck cock, rather than having you "force" him to do it. That's a valid opinion. However, there are people who do have actual "forced" fantasies that are somewhat repugnant to them, but the idea of being forced to do it is appealing. You seem to be ignoring this aspect of forced submission. But i do agree with you that there is a segment of the male sub population that is not secure enough to simply admit that they are curious about what it would be like to suck a cock. There are a lot of other things in your OP that i disagree with. But the fundamental premise listed above is one that i think is sound. Moreover, i think many would have agreed with you had you not wrapped in so many other ideas that are questionable at best.

Glasgow -> RE: "FORCED" bi (6/10/2010 2:19:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddysInkedSlut quote: ORIGINAL: Glasgow quote: Situationally Bisexual How can a person be only situationally bisexual? I was under the opinion that bisexuality is something you are. I'm white, which doesn't change according to the situation. I'm heterosexual, which also does not change according to the situation - whether or not I'm engaging in sweaty acts with another woman. As long as we're all complaining, I really don't like the assumption that people who are bi- or pansexual are more "enlightened" than everyone else. Are you more enlightened than I just because I only like dick? I have very close friendships with both men and women, straight, bi, gay, whatever. The fact that I don't want to om-nom their genitals does not make me less enlightened than anyone else. If I refused to be friends with a homosexual - that would make me less enlightened. 1. Situational bi-sexuallity IMO is when it is done to please a dom, owner , ect and not something they would do of their own accord. 2. I didn't see anyone in this thread state that bi-sexuals where more inlightened than anyone else. quote: My partner is pansexual; that means the genitals don't matter to him so much as the person. I think that's a pretty damn cool orientation, and a remarkably enlightened outlook. I generalized this comment to bisexuals. All apologies. My argument is that sexual orientation is neither caused nor correlated with enlightenment. My only conflict with the situational bisexuality is that even though you are engaging in sexual acts with someone of your own gender, it does not mean you are bisexual. Two girls at a party, after much urging by the people around them, might kiss for the attention. But this does not make them equally happy to please both men and women for the single moment that they are kissing; they are both straight before, during, and after the kiss.

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