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truesub4u -> RE: a bonding issue (4/17/2006 5:26:01 PM)
Alright, I went back.. read again. I still think for most part.. some was picked to death. A simple question was asked on a Master's views on being able to share something that ment something really special to the giver. Reading further into KoM's questions... not really sure why they were asked.... (it's like that post is missing) I can understand him looking for the answer to the question. I see it being answered, but danced around. Without actually being more direct. KoM is correct.... he asked directly. No hiding what information he was seeking to the responses he's getting. Got me all confused as well........ but hell I stay that way.

crouchingtigress -> RE: a bonding issue (4/17/2006 5:30:01 PM)
What is so hard to believe about fighting pits? Or an albino redhead? The term exception to the norm is a term used because there are always exceptions. This woman is certainly an exception a fascinating, respectful and intelligent exception. I myself can not imagine taking my beautiful dog and putting her in a ring and fighting her for sport, I would never allow that to happen but people do all the time, every day in fact, the same minds that get joy from this sort of activity has been prevalent thought out history. Mans inhumanity to man is vast, extreme, foreboding and perverse, we saw it in the Roman Colosseum, in POW camps, slave plantations, Auschwitz, Jeffery Dahmer, Tienanmen Square, Tibet, South Korea, little children working in sweat shops... We see it daily in our own government that send its troops into battle with out proper defenses, in Africa they are still doing clittodectomys and in Saudi Arabia your parents can kill you if you bring shame (date a boy) to the family. I personally know of several very real bdsm horrors that would blow your hair back....My slave too can tell stories of his slavery that make me cry... Simple truth is you mix power with money and sex and you have a Molotov cocktail. I am glad that you live in a sanitized world where anything depraved and abhorrent must not be real KOM, I wish we could all live there.

MLskajira -> RE: a bonding issue (4/17/2006 5:31:09 PM)
this girl will refuse to be specific. she has no desire to be i.d.'d and doesnt know who views this thing. so take that and run with it KOM as this girl knows you will, but it will change absolutly nothing.

crouchingtigress -> RE: a bonding issue (4/17/2006 5:33:23 PM)
She did reply to me cin, in a long facinating intimate email.

MLskajira -> RE: a bonding issue (4/17/2006 5:33:37 PM)
thank You, thank You, thank You crouchingtigress. and btw, did You get this girl's note?

crouchingtigress -> RE: a bonding issue (4/17/2006 5:37:41 PM)
Yes, thank you so much, I am drafting one back in my head as I let the information settle in my brain.[;)]

Vancouver_cinful -> RE: a bonding issue (4/17/2006 5:40:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MLskajira this girl will refuse to be specific. she has no desire to be i.d.'d and doesnt know who views this thing. so take that and run with it KOM as this girl knows you will, but it will change absolutly nothing. I don't think anyone is actually telling you to change anything. Speaking for myself, I simply retain the right to disbelieve something, as long as the facts to support it, are not within my reach. I don't take everything I read in a forum on faith. You're welcome to send me the same email you sent CrouchingTigress. Perhaps I would find enough facts there to believe it. Cin

KnightofMists -> RE: a bonding issue (4/17/2006 5:40:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MLskajira ..... so take that and run with it KOM as this girl knows you will, .... LMAO so you Know what I will do... frankly you really don't know a thing about me beside what is on these boards... hardly enough to "KNOW" what I will or will not do.... for someone that is apparently well-educated I find your defensive pettiness a rather sad state of affairs.

MLskajira -> RE: a bonding issue (4/17/2006 5:42:45 PM)
you took it though, didnt you?LMAO

amaidiamond -> RE: a bonding issue (4/17/2006 5:43:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TolerableCruelty I personally prefer not to have any slaves serve Me that are virgins in any way, I expect them to know how to please a Man, plain and simple. However, should one fall into that category... and she is in service to Me... she would know exactly what "could" take place while in My home.. should I choose to do so. A girl is there to be pleasing and should be ready to do whatever is commanded of her in order to accomplish that task... without expecting to be cuddled and held afterwards. The rest of this thread i can take or leave, could answer from the subs point of view but that isn't what the girl is asking, however this post made me blink, Is it just me or did the last couple of lines raise a red flag for anyone else here?

KnightofMists -> RE: a bonding issue (4/17/2006 5:46:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress I am glad that you live in a sanitized world where anything depraved and abhorrent must not be real KOM, I wish we could all live there. so you claim to know what kind of world I live in... or what my life experiences I have had or not had. You clearly are much more KNOWING than I am! I couldn't claim to KNOW what another world is like... but I can be a skeptic to much in the online environment... I guess you could say that life experiences have given me that lesson.

Vancouver_cinful -> RE: a bonding issue (4/17/2006 5:48:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: amaidiamond however this post made me blink, Is it just me or did the last couple of lines raise a red flag for anyone else here? Do you mean this part: quote: IntolerableCruelty: A girl is there to be pleasing and should be ready to do whatever is commanded of her in order to accomplish that task... without expecting to be cuddled and held afterwards. Yes, I saw that too. I choose not to respond but it bothered me as well. Personally, submission without affection and nurturance isn't something I participate in. Cin

kiska -> RE: a bonding issue (4/17/2006 5:48:58 PM)
Some people around here are just flat out hateful. Fine, so she's said a few things that seem to clash in your tiny little minds. Frankly, to some people, the notion of consensual slavery clashes in their tiny little minds. I thought we were supposed to be the open minded ones? Furthermore, what does it matter if she's an albino redhead, a former fighting slave, a little girl who was abused and mistreated or if she's making everything up as she goes along? Does it hurt you? Is she in a relationship with you? Hmm, no didn't think so. The point of her post was to find out if Masters (in general) felt anything when they were given something by their submissive or slave that had not been given to anyone ever before ... To her, the act of anal sex with a big deal ... She wondered if anyone else felt this way. Its not that hard to just answer the question without getting hateful about every other little detail of her life. Now, one more thing ... KoM, you've asked the question "What is your definition of being "in the lifestyle" several times over the course of this thread ... She's answered several times but never to your satisfaction. Maybe her definition is just different than yours. Maybe she has a hard time expressing herself in a way that you can understand. I actually understand what she means when she talks about being in the lifestyle as a child, being raised as a slave or what have you. In a perfect world, BDSM is consensual. In the real world, sometimes its not ... I've been approached by many Masters who wanted to 'breed' me so that the offspring could be raised as slaves. I've always been disgusted by that mentality but I'm not going to pretend that it doesnt happen. I was introduced to the lifestyle when I was 14 ... It was wrong then. It was abuse. But guess what ... It was still an introduction to the lifestyle. I've had Doms who were wonderful and I've had Doms who treated me like crap. Just because a man is abusive doesn't mean he's not dominant ... It just means he's an abusive dominant. Does that make it ok? Nope ... But you cant bury your head in the sand and pretend something doesnt happen because you dont agree with it. Nor is it constructive to belittle another human being for thinking differently than you do.

KnightofMists -> RE: a bonding issue (4/17/2006 5:49:04 PM)
did I ... and what exactly did I take.? You so knowing...maybe you know for I sure don't.

Vancouver_cinful -> RE: a bonding issue (4/17/2006 5:57:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kiska Furthermore, what does it matter if she's an albino redhead, a former fighting slave, a little girl who was abused and mistreated or if she's making everything up as she goes along? Does it hurt you? Is she in a relationship with you? Hmm, no didn't think so. When people bring things into conversation it is generally assumed that they wish to discuss them. If MLsKajira doesn't wish to discuss them she is free to stop discussing them. However, no one, except the mods, are free to tell others to stop discussing it as well. I have an inquisitive, intelligent mind, I ask questions in pursuit of knowledge. I had my mouth taped shut in grade 3 for doing so. It didn't stop me. Cin

MLskajira -> RE: a bonding issue (4/17/2006 5:57:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists quote: ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress I am glad that you live in a sanitized world where anything depraved and abhorrent must not be real KOM, I wish we could all live there. so you claim to know what kind of world I live in... or what my life experiences I have had or not had. You clearly are much more KNOWING than I am! I couldn't claim to KNOW what another world is like... but I can be a skeptic to much in the online environment... I guess you could say that life experiences have given me that lesson. this girl feels fairly safe in saying that crouchingtigress knows as much about your experiences, issues, and how your world works as you know about this girl's KoM.

amaidiamond -> RE: a bonding issue (4/17/2006 5:59:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vancouver_cinful quote: ORIGINAL: amaidiamond however this post made me blink, Is it just me or did the last couple of lines raise a red flag for anyone else here? Do you mean this part: quote: IntolerableCruelty: A girl is there to be pleasing and should be ready to do whatever is commanded of her in order to accomplish that task... without expecting to be cuddled and held afterwards. Yes, I saw that too. I choose not to respond but it bothered me as well. Personally, submission without affection and nurturance isn't something I participate in. Cin Yes thats the part I meant, for me aftercare is so damn important particually if it has been something i've really struggled with, the idea of just being a robotic pleasure drone who is expected to not have emotional needs would be horrible! In response to the ongoing age debate, I started looking into this early, ten years ago but it was not via abuse, more a natural development of my sexuality

kiska -> RE: a bonding issue (4/17/2006 6:04:07 PM)
I know this is going to be shocking to some of you but it is possible to discuss things without being personal or cruel about it. Shocking but true ... And I dont even have to use tape on people's mouths.

crouchingtigress -> RE: a bonding issue (4/17/2006 6:07:17 PM)
Ok you are right KOM, I do not know the world you live in, just as you dont know her world, I am glad you called me on this, I really try not to make assumptions, its just that you just were working my last nerve a bit....but....I respectfully apologize to you[:)] My hani daughter (hani is a Hawaiian word that means family addopted) is cherokee, she is one hell of a fighter...Is your girl feisty? MLskijara is a really special girl, and you seemed a little cranky, thats all I was reacting to. Maybe get to know her a little before passing judgement?

MLskajira -> RE: a bonding issue (4/17/2006 6:08:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kiska I know this is going to be shocking to some of you but it is possible to discuss things without being personal or cruel about it. Shocking but true ... And I dont even have to use tape on people's mouths.

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