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xxblushesxx -> RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... (6/13/2010 1:42:00 AM)

I don't know if that's true, Reynard, I think they're just probably clueless, and have justified this in their own minds/hearts. Unfortunately though, it was a real bad decision with too much possible danger for a sixteen year old to face on her own. I'm glad she's not dead. But the danger was too great to justify this decision.




domiguy -> RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... (6/13/2010 8:23:02 AM)

What about the dangers of driving a car? What about the dangers of having sex or picking out suitable partners?


She was a sailor. She had been participating in sailing for quite sometime.

This girl will make more of herself than all of the people criticizing her combined.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... (6/13/2010 8:35:59 AM)

The girl had a history on the water.  I am going to choose to believe the parents did weigh the risks, and decided to let her do this.  I know 16 year olds who I would trust with my life, and I know 16 year olds I would not trust with an ant farm.  16 is a number.

As for the reimbursement thing, I do not think rescues should have to be reimbursed.  I am thinking that idea has potential though.  ead the police on a chase?  You have to reimburse the agency for their salary and the gas they used.  I can see this allowing us to lower taxes.......hmmmmmmm......




angelikaJ -> RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... (6/13/2010 8:40:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: reynardfox

The parents are milking this for as much attention and money as they can. I just hope one day the kid realises that her Mum and Dad don't give a fuck about her.
coming back a live hero, or not coming back at all she will have served her purpose of lining thier pockets, the news media will give them a car full of money for sending her off to die like that.
They are not blithe about the dangers involved, they just want the money more than their child.


So glad to know you have a crystal ball.

The media attention was inevitable.
It began before she set off.
It was like that when her brother set off on his 396 day journey.

She sailed more than 13,300 miles during which she had made one 16 day stop for repairs. 

I don't know what was in the minds and hearts of her parents.

They may have thought that with them all being Born Again Christians that Jesus would take care of her.
That is personally an objectionable idea to me, but I am not going to judge them evil for believing so.

I have stated before that my opinion is different because I had the experience of reading about Tania Aebi.




calamitysandra -> RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... (6/13/2010 1:26:38 PM)

How about letting 16 year olds dive a car? Ever seen the crash statistics for young divers?





Firebirdseeking -> RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... (6/13/2010 2:54:19 PM)

Well, at least I know I am not the only one who had a strong reaction to this.

However, just as dominants half my age or more have tried to convince me that "age is just a number", I would also have to disagree with that hypothesis. Age is experience, being seasoned, having multiple life experiences, etc. 16 is not just a number.




Owner59 -> RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... (6/13/2010 6:26:04 PM)

Here she goes again....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7825156/Abby-Sunderland-sets-sights-on-new-sailing-attempt.html

I wouldn`t let my UM drive,have sex or pick SOs at 16.

I didn`t drive until I could afford my own car.




domiguy -> RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... (6/13/2010 6:29:39 PM)

This girl is really something exceptional.




Owner59 -> RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... (6/13/2010 6:34:06 PM)

True that.




hlen5 -> RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... (6/13/2010 7:04:46 PM)

  I have mixed emotions about her attempting her sail. Like Domi, I think it takes grit and she should be admired for the attempt.
  Her father is a boatwright and her brother said he was sailing long before he could ride a bike. Their family is a sailing family, and I would trust her parents to know if they thought she was prepared to go. I highly doubt the family threw up their hands and said "It's in God's hands now". I'm sure they considered all sides before they let their daughter set sail, then said a prayer and waved her off.

I'm glad her attempt didn't end in tragedy.





juliaoceania -> RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... (6/13/2010 7:19:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: domiguy

This girl is really something exceptional.



I dunno, her brother actually made it, which would make him even mores so... (just being a smart ass)




domiguy -> RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... (6/13/2010 7:37:39 PM)

It goes to show what how one family can raise children that feel they can navigate the world while others raise kids that are afraid of their own shadow.




marie2 -> RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... (6/13/2010 7:47:07 PM)

When I first saw the story, my first response was holy shit, how could you let your kid do that?

And I still sort of feel that way, but after having read the subsequent reports about how skilled and learned she was in this area, well, I still thought it was nuts, but I didn't feel as reactive about it as I did at first.

Age aside, I think it's crazy for anyone to do this solo. And that's what makes it so remarkable when someone suceeds at it. They did it alone...and they do it alone because it comes with a particular "glory" that wouldn't be attached to it, if you did with a partner or a crew.

For me, the glory isn't worth the risk, but thankfully she's alive and well.





domiguy -> RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... (6/13/2010 7:49:57 PM)

I have sex alone...It's all about "The Glory."




marie2 -> RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... (6/13/2010 7:54:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I have sex alone...It's all about "The Glory."



And I'm sure your penis is grateful for your valiant efforts.




Owner59 -> RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... (6/13/2010 7:55:41 PM)

"Abby Sunderland sets sights on new sailing attempt "

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7825156/Abby-Sunderland-sets-sights-on-new-sailing-attempt.html




juliaoceania -> RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... (6/13/2010 8:11:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: domiguy

It goes to show what how one family can raise children that feel they can navigate the world while others raise kids that are afraid of their own shadow.


I have to say, different people have different qualities and different fear tolerances.

This girl might be fearless of the ocean, seeing she was raised on one, but she might not be so fearless in other circumstances. I think comparing these parents to other parents as being the bestest thing since sliced bread kinda misses the point, we are all just meat suits doing our best to get by.

They are an exceptional family in loving the ocean and being on it. I do not think they are better parents than most other people I know for raising their kids the way they have. I am not dissing them, mind you, but just because people love their kids and want them to reach adulthood doesn't make them suck.




LafayetteLady -> RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... (6/13/2010 9:43:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania


This girl might be fearless of the ocean, seeing she was raised on one, but she might not be so fearless in other circumstances.


Regardless of how much time she has spent in the ocean, if she claimed to be "fearless" of the ocean, she shouldn't have been allowed to go. Even the most experience sailors are not "fearless" of the ocean. They know how to respect it. Big difference. Someone who claims to be fearless of the ocean is a fool.




domiguy -> RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... (6/13/2010 9:50:06 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady


quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania


This girl might be fearless of the ocean, seeing she was raised on one, but she might not be so fearless in other circumstances.


Regardless of how much time she has spent in the ocean, if she claimed to be "fearless" of the ocean, she shouldn't have been allowed to go. Even the most experience sailors are not "fearless" of the ocean. They know how to respect it. Big difference. Someone who claims to be fearless of the ocean is a fool.


I am fearless of the ocean. I am also fearless of great white sharks and lions.




juliaoceania -> RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... (6/13/2010 11:13:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady


quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania


This girl might be fearless of the ocean, seeing she was raised on one, but she might not be so fearless in other circumstances.


Regardless of how much time she has spent in the ocean, if she claimed to be "fearless" of the ocean, she shouldn't have been allowed to go. Even the most experience sailors are not "fearless" of the ocean. They know how to respect it. Big difference. Someone who claims to be fearless of the ocean is a fool.


I suppose I did not state that correctly...I shall rephrase

She had significantly dealt with her fear of the ocean to set out to sail it, because she was raised on the ocean, and her parents had showed her the perils of the ocean to such an extent she felt she had the capacity to deal with what she encountered there...

Happy?


I was raised in the mountains, and from the time I was a toddler I was shown the perils of the forest, and yes there are perils there. There are poisons reptiles, bears, cougars, etc... because of my rearing I was confident in that environment. If you dropped me in the wilderness when I was 16 I would have made it out alive, why? Because I had been taught to...would my parents have allowed me to go off in the woods alone for days, never! Why? Because it is risky to hike alone, much less go off into the true wilderness by one's self.

Every year people show up dead where I grew up because they thought they could deal with real wilderness... I grew up next to Yosemite, and people get lost, fall down cliffs (or have cliffs fall on them) every year. It is recommended to not go alone, and even though i have done it, I wouldn't recommend it for just everybody, and I suppose this kid was prepared....like I am prepared to go off alone, but even experienced hikers get killed, and experienced sailors do too.

I respect their right to do what they believe is right by their children, but having some common sense in life and mitigating risks isn't something to be looked down on either. I do not think it is unreasonable to want your kids to have a buddy on a trail, and I do not think it is unreasonable to deny a teenager to sail alone around the world, I wouldn't let my kid do it, and if that makes my son and I a buncha pussies, I would rather be a living pussy than a dead hero.... If something ever happens to my son, just put a bullet in my head too, I do not want to be on an earth that doesn't include him... I am just selfish like that.



I wish her luck.... And even though I am a different sorta parent than her parents are, I am sure they believe they are doing right by her. I hope nothing happens to this gal, it would probably destroy her family, and that would be a double tragedy.... living with the guilt of encouraging her dream would not be something I would wish on my worst enemy, and these people obviously love their kids....




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