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RE: The dangers of mind control. - 6/13/2010 1:14:26 AM   
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Neurolinguistic programming and other similar concepts work mostly on the semiotic and psychological levels of communication.

Well, I can't speak to "and other similar concepts". But you and I will have to agree to disagree on NLP. Again, you have a theory unsupported by empirical evidence. Or, at least, I've never been able to find any credibly peer reviewed scientific documentation on this. This makes it more akin to a religion than a piece of science. While I agree that there are plenty of ways to modify a human psyche... and in fact I am doing so with Carol, I just think there's simpler and much more supportable answers than some sort of semi-mystical programming. I also sincerely doubt that any such "programming" would hold up long in an environment in which it was contra-indicated.

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But my version of how all this works is the closest version to the predators' that anyone will ever admit to.

Ahhhh yes, another of my personal favorites... the "predators" line of reasoning. Of course, amusing enough very few people who talk about dominance in species other than human has every actually read any ... you know... actual science from the field of veterinary medicine. The sad news is that dominance and submission in animals is quite a bit more complicated than "me tarzan, you jane".

And by the way, why would I really care what dominance and submission is in some species OTHER than the target species of interest to me?

Overall, my assessment is that you gone all over the map in your claims of science... first with the seriously debunked "brainwashing" then grasping onto the never really accepted NLP and finally to some poorly define theory of animal behavior. So far, all the things you could "write your book on" are either totally crap or marginal science at best. Feel free to write your book though. I'm sure you'll be able to impress some naive people somewhere with it. In the mean time, those of us who are actually dominant and comfortable with that will just go along our merry way though.

And by the way, I wouldn't say that this thread was a catastrophe of advertisement though. I'd say it was truth in advertising and so a particularly stellar example of advertising.

For those of you who are into the whole "Mind control is real" thing, I'd really truly liked to be shown wrong. If someone can show me a credible scientific article in a peer reviewed journal, I'd love to see the reference. I will gladly recant my position if anyone can give me something more than BDSM pseudo-science.

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RE: The dangers of mind control. - 6/13/2010 1:24:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: leadership527

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Malkinius said:
Neurolinguistic programming and other similar concepts work mostly on the semiotic and psychological levels of communication.

Well, I can't speak to "and other similar concepts". But you and I will have to agree to disagree on NLP. Again, you have a theory unsupported by empirical evidence. Or, at least, I've never been able to find any credibly peer reviewed scientific documentation on this. This makes it more akin to a religion than a piece of science. While I agree that there are plenty of ways to modify a human psyche... and in fact I am doing so with Carol, I just think there's simpler and much more supportable answers than some sort of semi-mystical programming. I also sincerely doubt that any such "programming" would hold up long in an environment in which it was contra-indicated.

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But my version of how all this works is the closest version to the predators' that anyone will ever admit to.

Ahhhh yes, another of my personal favorites... the "predators" line of reasoning. Of course, amusing enough very few people who talk about dominance in species other than human has every actually read any ... you know... actual science from the field of veterinary medicine. The sad news is that dominance and submission in animals is quite a bit more complicated than "me tarzan, you jane".

And by the way, why would I really care what dominance and submission is in some species OTHER than the target species of interest to me?

Overall, my assessment is that you gone all over the map in your claims of science... first with the seriously debunked "brainwashing" then grasping onto the never really accepted NLP and finally to some poorly define theory of animal behavior. So far, all the things you could "write your book on" are either totally crap or marginal science at best. Feel free to write your book though. I'm sure you'll be able to impress some naive people somewhere with it. In the mean time, those of us who are actually dominant and comfortable with that will just go along our merry way though.

And by the way, I wouldn't say that this thread was a catastrophe of advertisement though. I'd say it was truth in advertising and so a particularly stellar example of advertising.

For those of you who are into the whole "Mind control is real" thing, I'd really truly liked to be shown wrong. If someone can show me a credible scientific article in a peer reviewed journal, I'd love to see the reference. I will gladly recant my position if anyone can give me something more than BDSM pseudo-science.


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RE: The dangers of mind control. - 6/13/2010 1:56:08 AM   
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FAIL
fair enough.

Well, you're learning, lol.
If that pic is you, it explains a lot. Hate to break it to you, but plenty of girls will drop their panties for a really hot guy, even one without 'superpowers'. Charisma on top of looks will take you only so far, and I'd guess it isn't all that far, given your serious misreading of the people on this forum.


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RE: The dangers of mind control. - 6/13/2010 2:36:52 AM   
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FAIL
fair enough.



hate to kick a guy while he's down, but since you brought it up - yes, you did.

Never mind - better luck next time!

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RE: The dangers of mind control. - 6/13/2010 2:46:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: leadership527
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Malkinius said:
Neurolinguistic programming and other similar concepts work mostly on the semiotic and psychological levels of communication.


Well, I can't speak to "and other similar concepts". But you and I will have to agree to disagree on NLP. Again, you have a theory unsupported by empirical evidence. Or, at least, I've never been able to find any credibly peer reviewed scientific documentation on this. This makes it more akin to a religion than a piece of science. While I agree that there are plenty of ways to modify a human psyche... and in fact I am doing so with Carol, I just think there's simpler and much more supportable answers than some sort of semi-mystical programming. I also sincerely doubt that any such "programming" would hold up long in an environment in which it was contra-indicated.

For those of you who are into the whole "Mind control is real" thing, I'd really truly liked to be shown wrong. If someone can show me a credible scientific article in a peer reviewed journal, I'd love to see the reference. I will gladly recant my position if anyone can give me something more than BDSM pseudo-science.


Whether or not you believe something works the processes of things like NLP are definable. That is what I did. The results on it are mixed. It works to some extent and it works better for some than others. As a way thinking about communication and the conveyance of information formatted into more easily acceptable ways, it works. Do that and the chances of higher prioritization on retention go up. The mistake you and most others here have made is the old one of since you don't understand it, it can't be true. While I have never taken classes in NLP I have read enough about it to understand how it is done in practice and what its goals are.

Mind control at its crudest is something like the Stockholm Syndrome. Cult programming is another example of it. The followers of any group where the leaders think for their followers is a third. I can, given the means of communication, change your mind about something and keep it that way. We usually call that instruction and persuasion. <grins> Teachers do it all the time. What I do is and is not what the OP claimed to do. For me, it is a tool, not an end. I don't claim to be able to do what he claimed. Well...not to that extent. My work is less overt, slower and more lasting. The focus is also different.

I wish I knew of papers, peer reviewed or not, on the things I am studying. If I find some I will let you know. I am making some professional contacts in the field abut it is slow going. If you want the science behind what I am talking about, contact me privately and I will let you see what I have. How much neurobiology of memory and hormonal based neurotransmitter cascades knowledge do you have?

Be well.....

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RE: The dangers of mind control. - 6/13/2010 3:19:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wyldhrt, you get an A++ and two gold stars for being the only voice of reason on this thread (if there were others that echoed this sentiment I apologize if I missed your post).

"Peer reviewed journals," Jeff? "Neorolinguistic programming," Malkinius? You two should feel silly. You missed the forest for the trees.

Brainwashing and hyponsis happen to be quite real. I'll spare you the scientific references, Jeff. Check out the political threads and see how many conspiracy theorists post regularly. Anyone who has succumbed to religious dogma has been brainwashed. Cults continue to exist and flourish. I was following a legal proceeding a couple of weeks back concerning a 16 yr old boy in Oregon who died of a common bladder malady because his parents belonged to a religious cult that only believed in faith healing. Classical brainwashing. How about the Branch Davidians? Ever heard of Patty Hearst? Stockholm Syndrome is well documented and peer reviewed. I could go on and on, but I won't.

Unfortunately (or fortunately), these things had absolutely nothing to do with this thread, in spite of the OP's claims. Occam's Razor applies here - there's no secret or magic in the fact that there are no shortage of women who are easily suggestable and manipulated by a nice looking, charasmatic, presumably educated, maybe even with a decent job and some money kinda guy. Hell, even I was in my 20s, early 30s. Throw in the self esteem issues and sub frenzy so common to many submissive women, and I could see how a man might begin to feel like Jesus Christ himself. We all know how many of these Doms develop savior complexes.

This one was kind of a no brainer. Most of the responses just leave me scratching my head.

Anyway, kudos to you Ms. Wyldhrt for "getting it."

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RE: The dangers of mind control. - 6/13/2010 4:19:58 AM   
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Sorry....but those are the trees. The forest is a whole different set of trees beyond those few.

Be well....

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RE: The dangers of mind control. - 6/13/2010 4:33:10 AM   
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FAIL
fair enough.





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RE: The dangers of mind control. - 6/13/2010 4:37:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Malkinius,

I'm not trying to be argumentative or intentionally obtuse. Unlike Jeff, I did study Neural Science (actually, Molecular Biology with subspecialties in Neural Science and Genetics) and although I found your discussion interesting, it was also entirely irrelevant. One does not need to understand the biochemistry of learning to make a case for or discuss brainwashing or "mind control" techniques, any more than one needs to know biochem to understand love.

Your second post about cults and Stockholm Syndrome was much closer to the spirit of this thread, but as I already pointed out, again irrelevant. Subs dropping their panties for nice looking doms is much closer to the truth. No brainwashing required.

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RE: The dangers of mind control. - 6/13/2010 4:41:08 AM   
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RE: The dangers of mind control. - 6/13/2010 4:45:04 AM   
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Okay, I'm quoting this, sos you can't go changing your mind later!

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RE: The dangers of mind control. - 6/13/2010 4:46:56 AM   
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RE: The dangers of mind control. - 6/13/2010 4:47:14 AM   
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Okay, I'm quoting this, sos you can't go changing your mind later!


I'm a single-minded kind of gal - and I don't give my love lightly!

Unless there's chocolate involved.

Or vodka.

Or shiny things.

Dammit, I'm a whore

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RE: The dangers of mind control. - 6/13/2010 4:50:09 AM   
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RE: The dangers of mind control. - 6/13/2010 4:51:43 AM   
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RE: The dangers of mind control. - 6/13/2010 4:52:50 AM   
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RE: The dangers of mind control. - 6/13/2010 5:11:03 AM   
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RE: The dangers of mind control. - 6/13/2010 5:11:29 AM   
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Wiat a minute! You mean to tell me you arent a shiney silver mac apple?

My entire world just exploded!


Have no fear, I've met Master Malkinius, he looks exactly like a silver Mac apple.


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RE: The dangers of mind control. - 6/13/2010 5:20:01 AM   
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Look I am being completely serious that this is a dangerous parlour trick.  It is a "trick" that gets a lot of women abused every year.  I am NOT going to explain it here.


Crazyml asked some really good questions and so did several other posters. If you are not going to explain it and obviously not going to answer any questions, then why start the thread in the first place. Isn't your profile getting you enough attention?


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RE: The dangers of mind control. - 6/13/2010 5:35:04 AM   
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I was "dominating" this thread I started, of course no one liked it.


You were dominating this thread? Really?
Well that certainly explains part of the problem.

Now I have a question. Not that I think you will answer it, since you have ignored all the other questions in the thread, but I will ask anyway.

How many slaves have you actually collared?


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