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THELADY -> RE: His Muslim faith (8/24/2010 7:03:03 AM)

if anyone bothered to read Obama's books they might have a bit more insight as to who this man is. he said his mother was an atheist. his "mentor" growing up in his grand parents home after being abondened there by his mom (his thoughts not mine) was a communist poet.

he said in college he "choose his friends carefully, seeking out the anarcist socialists and
communists"

when he became a community orgnizer he was not getting much results and a preacher told him he would not get anywhere with out a church base. so he found rev. wrights church and quoted thr rev. saying "white mans greed runs a world in need" (but he never heard the rev. say these things). so that leads Me to believe he only went to church to help his job.

in an interview in chig. sun when running for sen. he said he was christan, but talked about how he had internal conversations with himself, (his prayer)and good or bad depended on how he felt about it. a christian has conversations with God (prayer) and good or bad is based on God's word.

He said the most beautiful thing he ever heard was the muslim call to prayer.
The man bowed to the muslim prince, a posture of submission. the leader in Lybia said a muslim brother was elected president.

is he muslim? I don't think so, I would guess from his words he is agnostic.
does it matter? I don't imagin so.

is he sympethic to muslims? Hell yes. does that matter, it very well might!




tazzygirl -> RE: His Muslim faith (8/24/2010 7:09:40 AM)

"choose his friends carefully, seeking out the anarcist socialists and
communists"

your source for this quote?




Lucylastic -> RE: His Muslim faith (8/24/2010 7:12:05 AM)

I think it was pulled from a dark hole




tazzygirl -> RE: His Muslim faith (8/24/2010 7:13:59 AM)

Everything i have read about his college days seems to point to another direction. Im curious as to where that quote came from. It may shed some light on the.. ahem.. lady's choice of reading material and her tendency towards such inflaming posts.




CreativeDominant -> RE: His Muslim faith (8/24/2010 7:30:37 AM)

The quote is taken from from Obama's memoirs:  Dreams of My Father.  What he wrote was "“To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I CHOSE MY FRIENDS CAREFULLY. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. THE MARXIST PROFESSORS and structural feminists.” -- Barack Obama 

Before anyone asks:  "Structural feminist theory focuses on social structures, notably patriarchy and capitalism that oppress women. Theorists in this tradition emphasize the dominating influence of these social structures, but by doing so they also tend to construe women as passive. Despite their somewhat deterministic view of women's circumstances, structural feminists nevertheless call for resistance toward the mechanisms in families, schools, and workplaces that serve to reproduce oppressive relations of power." From - Women as Learners: The Significance of Gender in Adult Learning by Hayes, Elizabeth; Flannery, Daniele D. with Brooks, Ann; Tisdell, Elizabeth; and Hugo, Jane - San Francisco: Jossey-Bass Publishers - Above excerpt comes from Chapter One.




Moonhead -> RE: His Muslim faith (8/24/2010 7:34:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

The quote is taken from from Obama's memoirs:  Dreams of My Father.  What he wrote was "“To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I CHOSE MY FRIENDS CAREFULLY. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. THE MARXIST PROFESSORS and structural feminists.” -- Barack Obama 

In which quotation the Kenyan mentions anarchists or communists where?




tazzygirl -> RE: His Muslim faith (8/24/2010 8:19:44 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

The quote is taken from from Obama's memoirs:  Dreams of My Father.  What he wrote was "“To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I CHOSE MY FRIENDS CAREFULLY. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. THE MARXIST PROFESSORS and structural feminists.” -- Barack Obama 

Before anyone asks:  "Structural feminist theory focuses on social structures, notably patriarchy and capitalism that oppress women. Theorists in this tradition emphasize the dominating influence of these social structures, but by doing so they also tend to construe women as passive. Despite their somewhat deterministic view of women's circumstances, structural feminists nevertheless call for resistance toward the mechanisms in families, schools, and workplaces that serve to reproduce oppressive relations of power." From - Women as Learners: The Significance of Gender in Adult Learning by Hayes, Elizabeth; Flannery, Daniele D. with Brooks, Ann; Tisdell, Elizabeth; and Hugo, Jane - San Francisco: Jossey-Bass Publishers - Above excerpt comes from Chapter One.


Im still trying to decide how this is a bad thing.




tazzygirl -> RE: His Muslim faith (8/24/2010 8:21:05 AM)

Lady. When you wish to quote someone, you use these marks... " "

That means its their exact words. Please try and remember that the next time you decide to quote someone.




StrangerThan -> RE: His Muslim faith (8/24/2010 8:25:00 AM)

I guess her reading choices are, ahem, ok then?

Just wondering since the side snips wondered off into black hole theory.




tazzygirl -> RE: His Muslim faith (8/24/2010 8:27:58 AM)

Ahhh... now i know what was niggling at me... this quote isnt as it appears.

• From Dreams from My Father : "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names." (Page 101)

This quote is taken from a description of Obama's first year of college, when he self-consciously cultivated an identity of angry rebelliousness, a phase he grows out of. Here's the fuller quote:

"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling constraints. ... But this strategy alone couldn't provide the distance I wanted … After all, there were thousands of so-called campus radicals, most of them white and tenured and happily tolerated. No, it remained necessary to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/10/dreams-my-father-quotes-require-context/

Misleading e-mail: From Dreams of My Father : ; "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father" [pg. 100-101]: To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night, in the dorms, we discussed necolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism, and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling constraints. We weren't indifferent or careless or insecure. We were alienated. But this strategy alone couldn't provide the distance I wanted, from Joyce or my past. After all, there were thousands of so-called campus radicals, most of them white and tenured and happily tolerated. No, it remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names. On its own, the quote makes Obama appear racially militant. Whereas, in full context, the quote illustrates Obama's confusion over his race and cultural heritage. This is emphasized in the preceding paragraph, where Obama describes himself as someone compensating for insecurity in his "racial credentials."
- Emi Kolawole and Brooks Jackson

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_write_that_he_would_stand.html




tazzygirl -> RE: His Muslim faith (8/24/2010 8:29:13 AM)

You tell me, stranger.

Are partial and misquoted information "ok" in your opinion?




StrangerThan -> RE: His Muslim faith (8/24/2010 8:52:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

You tell me, stranger.

Are partial and misquoted information "ok" in your opinion?


Reading the posts here, one would assume that it is. However, the question wasn't about the quote itself but the reading material. Try and stay on topic.




tazzygirl -> RE: His Muslim faith (8/24/2010 11:19:49 AM)

MY question was about the source of the quote. Are you now going to tell me what my intentions were in regards to asking for that source?

If in doubt... http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3377019

The Lady's quote was no where close to accurate as is often the case when we search for sources for said quotes.. and we cant find the source.

Got it now?




jlf1961 -> RE: His Muslim faith (8/24/2010 11:46:45 AM)

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StrangerThan -> RE: His Muslim faith (8/24/2010 12:39:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

MY question was about the source of the quote. Are you now going to tell me what my intentions were in regards to asking for that source?

If in doubt... http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3377019

The Lady's quote was no where close to accurate as is often the case when we search for sources for said quotes.. and we cant find the source.

Got it now?


I had it all along taz. My comment was directed towards the side swipe that occurred after your question in regards to the ahem over her choice of reading material when she clearly prefaced her post with "if anyone bothered to read Obama's books they might have a bit more insight as to who this man is. he said..."




CreativeDominant -> RE: His Muslim faith (8/24/2010 2:45:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

I think this article explains their behavior saying Obama is Muslim.

I hope conservatives don't find this insulting because I really think the woman is correct in her observations and is really trying to be helpful to avoid your demise.

My own opinion is Republicans are happy in the situation they are in and optimistic they can rebound to attain the reins of power once again, and they won't listen to her.
Bill

Newsvine - The Three H's of Modern Conservatism

I'm sure this is blatantly apparent to anyone whose had the displeasure of conversing with a typical conservative these days, but you can sum up their entire movement by stating that they subscribe to a universal unspoken code of three basic principals. Three words that rather perfectly write up the conservative game-plan, and has for quite some time now. Three words which form up the motto of conservatism in America today. What are these magical words? Hyperbole, Hypocrisy, and Hate.


Republicans don't seem to realize this, but their party is in serious trouble. They've lost too much credibility with competent voters to stage an upset in the center, and they're being attacked from the right by the oftentimes belligerent Tea Party. Most of their moderate rank and file have been driven away, to either the Democrats or to one of the other, smaller parties, and it's all due to people like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck hijacking their agenda with ludicrous talking points that keep most sane people scratching their heads. If serious, intelligent conservatives hope to keep the Republican Party alive, they need to distance themselves from this pundit-fueled mentality. Most of their base is gone anyway, so why not start over from scratch? Get back to the middle of the road, Republicans, before you veer off the shoulder. Because as it stands, the three H's -- hyperbole, hypocrisy, and hate -- are forcing your party into the ideological poor-house.

http://matt-rock.newsvine.com/_news/2010/06/12/4502120-the-three-hs-of-modern-conservatism



quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave

I'm not sayin' Obama is a Muslim.
But the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Arab Republic of Egypt, Ahmed Abdul Gheit, is sayin' Obama says he's a Muslim.
I'm just sayin'.
Bullshit!! That is exactly what you are saying, and its hogwash...the guy's a Christian, just accept it, he's one of yours.



God, just once brain...I'd like to see some opinion of yours backed up by something other than a liberal source.  Not necessarily by a conservative source but at least by something approaching the center.  But most of what you seem to be able to trot out are these articles written by some one that no one has ever heard of except other liberal bloggers.




tazzygirl -> RE: His Muslim faith (8/24/2010 5:46:32 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: StrangerThan

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

MY question was about the source of the quote. Are you now going to tell me what my intentions were in regards to asking for that source?

If in doubt... http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3377019

The Lady's quote was no where close to accurate as is often the case when we search for sources for said quotes.. and we cant find the source.

Got it now?


I had it all along taz. My comment was directed towards the side swipe that occurred after your question in regards to the ahem over her choice of reading material when she clearly prefaced her post with "if anyone bothered to read Obama's books they might have a bit more insight as to who this man is. he said..."


The quote was not a quote, but a paraphrase of what she thought she read. I am a stickler for such things.




THELADY -> RE: His Muslim faith (8/24/2010 6:46:45 PM)

okay! I fucked up the quote about his friends.......it has been almost 3 years since I read his books. (I think maybe I may have mixed his words with something his first green czar said)

I don't remember which book had the the quote from his preacher I think it was in his second book.
the poet and dioneism was in his second book.

the chigago sun article was done as I said when he was running for senator.

I don't know who he was talking to when he said the muslim call to prayer was the most beautiful thing he has hear, I just remember him saying it in a tv interview.. if I had access to a full computer(a friend is working on it) I could probably look these up, but at the moment I am limited to web on My phone and its not very reliable.

gee thanks tazz for the fucking grammer lesson, I am sure u have never made an error.

while I got the first quote wrong, at least I will admit to it, which I have noticed, is a lot more than most liberals will do.




thornhappy -> RE: His Muslim faith (8/24/2010 7:03:03 PM)

I fly the flag on the last line.  I've seen a lot of fishy stuff laid out here with ne'er a retraction, much of it by yourself.




tazzygirl -> RE: His Muslim faith (8/24/2010 7:14:55 PM)

I admit i am wrong when i am wrong.

The quote about the call to prayer...

This section of the video closes with an on-screen graphic that slightly mangles a New York Times article from March 6, 2007, by columnist Nicholas Kristof.

Video: In a 2007 interview with the New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer in a perfect Arabic accent, and then went on to say that the Muslim call to prayer was "the prettiest sound on earth."

Actual NYT passage: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset."

The video exaggerates. Kristof actually described Obama’s accent as "first rate" but not "perfect." And Obama said the call to prayer is "one of" the prettiest sounds, not the prettiest of all. These distortions are minor, but still part of a systematic misrepresentation of the record.


http://factcheck.org/2009/12/truth-on-the-cutting-room-floor/





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