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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 4:35:02 PM   
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I believe that physics - with string theory, quanta and some of the things we are learning about the possibilities of the universe - may have deeper implications than many want to admit, or even consider. I think that the theory about "the mind" being a holographic system, and perhaps being based in the quantum state and quantum foam of the universe has some exciting possibilities, for what it says that death may or may not be.


I think that you are right about that....

It is an exciting field and I have been playing with how to marry these concepts with religious studies....for my phd work

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 4:37:38 PM   
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Sounds like the author got high and watched Groundhog Day.



Yeah, but stoners can have some of the most profound thoughts...lol



Yeeeeeaaaahhh......Let's pack a bowl and discuss how aliens built the pyramids.

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 4:37:43 PM   
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And is your goal to quadruple every post?

I see you edited it.

How did that happen?





That did not happen, you see, it rebooted itself

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 4:39:03 PM   
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Sounds like the author got high and watched Groundhog Day.



Yeah, but stoners can have some of the most profound thoughts...lol



Yeeeeeaaaahhh......Let's pack a bowl and discuss how aliens built the pyramids.



Dude, I seriously think that hallucinogens can help with the entire contemplating the universe thing,....

Ever read Hitch Hiker's Guide? The total perspective vortex requires it

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 4:40:19 PM   
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I'm not a scientist, I don't really know and I don't totally understand what you mean when you say our bodies are a mass of energy. They are a collection of cells with distinct forms: derma, organs, tissues, blood and other fluids, and bones and marrow. They begin to decompose; they rot. Where does the energy of an apple core go when you just let it still out? I don't know about its energy, but the core simply rots. That's what we do unless something else is done.

Buddhists sometimes let their bodies lay in the open for vultures to eat and theoretically nourish upon. The flesh moves through their bowels and is expelled. The gases disperse into the air, some parts go into the ground as nutrients and according to where it ends up it could feed things that grow. Then someone picks what has grown from this soil and it goes on a plate and someone else eats it. Perhaps that is one tangible afterlife, but if that's the case, it's not too satisfying to me as an afterlife to look forward to. That said, while here on earth now, I appreciate the value of somehow becoming part of a greater cycle and providing something that will go on into the universe in that form. But to me, that isn't exactly what most folks have in mind when they speak of reincarnation or an afterlife or the soul or spirit's continuation and rebirth. And besides, as a poster after me so succinctly pointed out, most people rot away and decompose slowly over time inside to confines of a airless wooden box. In the western world, most, at least many Christians, embalm so now the body is drained of blood and stuffed full of chemicals that probably won't decompose for a thousand years. A more likely outcome is that those agents will seep into the earth becoming toxins and doing the complete opposite of what I described before.

I think the bottom line for me is that once my consciousness is gone; once my thoughts, words, memories, consciousness of the moment, thoughts of the future, and my emotions no longer exist, whatever this "energy mass" turns into is not a satisfying result nor a convincing afterlife that would give me any solace to make it easier to accept my and your and everyone's mortality. To me, it's just easier (most days) to accept that chances are nothing happens: we're simply gone. What happens to our remains is not me, it's what once was me because at that point I'll be dead.

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We've invented countless ideas about some sort of continuation and afterlife, reincarnation, soul/spirit progression through some sort of cosmic energy flow into some higher reality, and in the end, I think it's all feel-good bullshit we tell ourselves to get through, to obliterate, at least temporarily, the hard reality that this is all there is and it won't last forever and once it's over, it's over; we had our time here and now it's done.



Ok, but our bodies are a mass of energy...so where does the energy go when the body dies?


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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 4:47:59 PM   
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Sounds like the author got high and watched Groundhog Day.



Yeah, but stoners can have some of the most profound thoughts...lol



Yeeeeeaaaahhh......Let's pack a bowl and discuss how aliens built the pyramids.



Dude, I seriously think that hallucinogens can help with the entire contemplating the universe thing,....

Ever read Hitch Hiker's Guide? The total perspective vortex requires it


I haven't.  But I have partied with Termyn8or. 

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 4:48:00 PM   
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Without consciousness, space and time are nothing; in reality you can take any time — whether past or future -− as your new frame of reference. Death is a reboot that leads to all potentialities.


What is the evidence? In general, I like the inclusion of the consciousness into the picture. We live times of materialism euphoria. It is something to think about.



There is this process that intelligent people go through to come up with answers that require evidence.... they think about stuff. In fact, sometimes one has to think about things for a very long time before they can come to any sort of question worth asking at all. One of those questions that I find worth asking is "what does this entire thing called life mean".

Now, get this, I don't expect an answer to that question, but I really dig asking it and looking at how other people answer it. Now you ask for evidence, and I am asking for just the question to be asked... I am not even to the point where I think I have the right questions, much less answers that I can back up with this thing you call evidence.

We are just starting to try to understand the concept of time in a scientific sort of way, with numbers and stuff to back up our imaginings about time and space. Some of the answers that we get will astound us, but there will still be naysayers that are incapable of doing the math that will not believe those answers. I think that is starting to happen with quantum theory

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 4:49:54 PM   
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At death, we all know, consciousness is gone,
Sorry, but we don't know this...in fact we know nothing about death except that the body ceases to function...beyond that it is all speculation.


I agree with that, but I still appreciate the entire premise of the discussion, you know in some ways he is saying "everything exists at once" or "there is no true end to anything"...and I find that line of thought interesting



There's a great book out there, among many I'm sure, but The Divine Matrix by Gregg Braden is very much along these line. There are some scientific studies therein that are absolutely mind-blowing. I'd read a paragragh or a chapter at a time, and have to just stop reading and think....I'd just sit there and stare at the wall contemplating it, and digesting each bit before I could move onto the next chapter. There were so many "oh my god" moments that it was almost chilling for me, but in a very thought-provoking kind of way. If you haven't read it, you'd probably really enjoy it.

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 4:51:56 PM   
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There's a great book out there, among many I'm sure, but The Divine Matrix by Gregg Braden is very much along these line. There are some scientific studies therein that are absolutely mind-blowing. I'd read a paragragh or a chapter at a time, and have to just stop reading and think....I'd just sit there and stare at the wall contemplating it, and digesting each bit before I could move onto the next chapter. There were so many "oh my god" moments that it was almost chilling for me, but in a very thought-provoking kind of way. If you haven't read it, you'd probably really enjoy it.


Thanks... I will add it to my reading list

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 4:53:17 PM   
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At death, we all know, consciousness is gone,
Sorry, but we don't know this...in fact we know nothing about death except that the body ceases to function...beyond that it is all speculation.


I agree with that, but I still appreciate the entire premise of the discussion, you know in some ways he is saying "everything exists at once" or "there is no true end to anything"...and I find that line of thought interesting



There's a great book out there, among many I'm sure, but The Divine Matrix by Gregg Braden is very much along these line. There are some scientific studies therein that are absolutely mind-blowing. I'd read a paragragh or a chapter at a time, and have to just stop reading and think....I'd just sit there and stare at the wall contemplating it, and digesting each bit before I could move onto the next chapter. There were so many "oh my god" moments that it was almost chilling for me, but in a very thought-provoking kind of way. If you haven't read it, you'd probably really enjoy it.


Interesting....same thing happened to me when chatting with Termy in his kitchen.

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 4:55:45 PM   
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julia,

You know that we don't normally "get along" all that well, but I thank you for posting this, and attempting to bring up a deeper discussion about such things.

I believe that physics - with string theory, quanta and some of the things we are learning about the possibilities of the universe - may have deeper implications than many want to admit, or even consider. I think that the theory about "the mind" being a holographic system, and perhaps being based in the quantum state and quantum foam of the universe has some exciting possibilities, for what it says that death may or may not be.

Unfortunately, as you can see from all the attempts at derailment and belittlement, most any thread that requires much reflection isn't something that often gets such, here, by the ankle biters.

Firm


Maybe it is because we have reflected and investigated different concepts, and to paraphrase another poster above, decided it is all nonsense.

But I shouldn't paraphrase because I think he summed it up as well as I've ever heard it stated:


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We've invented countless ideas about some sort of continuation and afterlife, reincarnation, soul/spirit progression through some sort of cosmic energy flow into some higher reality, and in the end, I think it's all feel-good bullshit we tell ourselves to get through, to obliterate, at least temporarily, the hard reality that this is all there is and it won't last forever and once it's over, it's over; we had our time here and now it's done.


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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 4:59:11 PM   
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That was a pretty thin thread and quite the stretch trying to connect this with anything useful or concrete regarding the speculation as to what happens when we die. Probably like lots of people, I've contemplated this plenty throughout my life, and I've come to the one, hard-to-swallow, conclusion that what happens when we die is probably nothing, absolutely nothing. We just quit moving around in this skin bag and we start to decompose. The world turns without us just as it did before us.

We've invented countless ideas about some sort of continuation and afterlife, reincarnation, soul/spirit progression through some sort of cosmic energy flow into some higher reality, and in the end, I think it's all feel-good bullshit we tell ourselves to get through, to obliterate, at least temporarily, the hard reality that this is all there is and it won't last forever and once it's over, it's over; we had our time here and now it's done.



I'm sorry sensubmaybe.

julia, thank you for posting this. I like.

I died when I was 3 and again when I was 11. You can call the men in white coats now with their thorazine and haldol filled 38's. Don't care...you either understand or you don't. No amount of me telling anyone anything will help with their understanding. It is my belief there is a 'something' that exists after we die to this present existence. To each their own.

btw..the jello here is nice

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 5:01:05 PM   
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I believe that physics - with string theory, quanta and some of the things we are learning about the possibilities of the universe - may have deeper implications than many want to admit, or even consider. I think that the theory about "the mind" being a holographic system, and perhaps being based in the quantum state and quantum foam of the universe has some exciting possibilities, for what it says that death may or may not be.


I think that you are right about that....

It is an exciting field and I have been playing with how to marry these concepts with religious studies....for my phd work


Any School that would grant a phD based on the fact you can spell the words quantum foam and String Theory (And 10 other Physics sounding words.) is probably the kind of school where you obtain a phD in 15 minutes or so over the internet and get to print out your own diploma. It's the kind of Diploma that looks pretty cool thumb tacked to your bedroom wall but smells slightly like fry-o-later grease.

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 5:07:35 PM   
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I believe that physics - with string theory, quanta and some of the things we are learning about the possibilities of the universe - may have deeper implications than many want to admit, or even consider. I think that the theory about "the mind" being a holographic system, and perhaps being based in the quantum state and quantum foam of the universe has some exciting possibilities, for what it says that death may or may not be.


I think that you are right about that....

It is an exciting field and I have been playing with how to marry these concepts with religious studies....for my phd work


Any School that would grant a phD based on the fact you can spell the words quantum foam and String Theory (And 10 other Physics sounding words.) is probably the kind of school where you obtain a phD in 15 minutes or so over the internet and get to print out your own diploma. It's the kind of Diploma that looks pretty cool thumb tacked to your bedroom wall but smells slightly like fry-o-later grease.


Darwin,

It's one thing to disagree with the subject and/or have a healthy discussion, however your post was uncalled-for and spiteful. Harumph. Don't you realize it exposes you?  Folks with the highest IQ can be and are often bad spellers. pfft,
Silly person you.

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 5:10:55 PM   
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It must have all been very spiritual for you, Shorey..... The two of you praying together that the liquor store would still open after 11 pm.

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 5:11:00 PM   
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You mean the rapture?




I've always loved that phrase.. it sounds so orgasmic a way to describe the end.


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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 5:16:29 PM   
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julia, thank you for posting this. I like.

I died when I was 3 and again when I was 11. You can call the men in white coats now with their thorazine and haldol filled 38's. Don't care...you either understand or you don't. No amount of me telling anyone anything will help with their understanding. It is my belief there is a 'something' that exists after we die to this present existence. To each their own.



Wow! 

You've died twice and here you are posting on Collarme.

Praise Jesus!

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 5:19:29 PM   
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julia, thank you for posting this. I like.

I died when I was 3 and again when I was 11. You can call the men in white coats now with their thorazine and haldol filled 38's. Don't care...you either understand or you don't. No amount of me telling anyone anything will help with their understanding. It is my belief there is a 'something' that exists after we die to this present existence. To each their own.



Wow! 

You've died twice and here you are posting on Collarme.

Praise Jesus!



rule...sarcasm, rot or rapture.. Thank you and my answer:

Indeed!!!

roflllllll

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 5:19:51 PM   
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I'm not a scientist either. But I know something has to happen with the energy. I suppose it can be "recycled" in some of the ways you mentioned, but I'm not so sure that consciousness is just gone like "poof". Even our thoughts have a measureable frequency...so where does that go? Maybe it just dissipates like radiation. Who knows.

I personally don't need to believe in an afterlife, and I don't have a hard time accepting that it all ends someday. I just have a hard time believing that it's all as simple as live, die, become fertilizer.


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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 5:24:12 PM   
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Darwin,

Folks with the highest IQ can be and are often bad spellers. pfft,
Silly person you.

Regards,
dovie


And where did this amazing bit of trivia come from?

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