Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

veganism a hard limit?


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> veganism a hard limit? Page: [1]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
veganism a hard limit? - 6/15/2010 4:34:04 PM   
eihwaz


Posts: 367
Joined: 10/6/2008
Status: offline 		A number of profiles state veganism as a hard limit.  Most people don't practice veganism, but why would someone consider it a hard limit?  Is there some kind of vegan kink I don't know about?
Profile   Post #: 1
RE: veganism a hard limit? - 6/15/2010 4:36:28 PM   
Level


Posts: 25145
Joined: 3/3/2006
Status: offline 		They may see vegans as "whackos", or they don't want to feel like they're being judged every time they sit down to a nice, bloody ribeye.

Or they're trying to be funny.

_____________________________

Fake the heat and scratch the itch
Skinned up knees and salty lips
Let go it's harder holding on
One more trip and I'll be gone

~~ Stone Temple Pilots

(in reply to eihwaz)
Profile   Post #: 2
RE: veganism a hard limit? - 6/15/2010 4:54:37 PM   
CalifChick


Posts: 10717
Joined: 10/28/2007
From: California
Status: offline 		They don't want to hear "that's not healthy for you" at every meal.  By the way, I say, "At least animals can scream and run away.  That damn plant you're eating didn't stand a chance."



_____________________________

AKA "The Undisputed Goddess of Sarcasm", "Big Bad Cali" and "Yum Bum". Advisor to the Subbie Mafia, founding member of the W.A.C. and the Judgmental Bitches Brigade, member of the Clan of the Scarlet O'Hair-a's and Team Troll

(in reply to Level)
Profile   Post #: 3
RE: veganism a hard limit? - 6/15/2010 4:54:39 PM   
DomKen


Posts: 19457
Joined: 7/4/2004
From: Chicago, IL
Status: offline 		I've found that vegans tend to be holier than thou about their dietary choices and I don't find that trait appealing in someone I spend time with.

(in reply to Level)
Profile   Post #: 4
RE: veganism a hard limit? - 6/15/2010 6:44:10 PM   
Hillwilliam


Posts: 19394
Joined: 8/27/2008
Status: offline 		PETA


People

Eating

Tasty

Animals

(in reply to DomKen)
Profile   Post #: 5
RE: veganism a hard limit? - 6/15/2010 7:33:37 PM   
Tantriqu


Posts: 2026
Joined: 12/29/2006
Status: offline 		As Mark Twain says, they are full of wind and self-righteousness.
I'd add, with disagreeable body odour, anorgasmia, and deep depression with a twisted sense of self-esteem, where they feel lower than animals and superior to every other human. But a great sport is watching vegans one-up each other: hoot!

< Message edited by Tantriqu -- 6/15/2010 7:34:53 PM >

(in reply to Hillwilliam)
Profile   Post #: 6
RE: veganism a hard limit? - 6/15/2010 8:05:34 PM   
DesFIP


Posts: 25191
Joined: 11/25/2007
From: Apple County NY
Status: offline 		I don't want to have to cook two separate meals. It's too much work. I like eggs in the morning. I can't eat soy. I don't want to deal with it nor could we go out to the same restaurants. Places that cater to vegans tend not to have stuff for meat eaters.

Vegetarians are one thing, but no eggs, no butter, no splash of milk in the mashed potatoes? Too damned much work for me as the cook. Nor do I want someone else complaining about what I eat and my experience with zealots is that they do just that.


_____________________________

Slave to laundry

Cynical and proud of it!


(in reply to Tantriqu)
Profile   Post #: 7
RE: veganism a hard limit? - 6/15/2010 8:07:38 PM   
Jeffff


Posts: 12600
Joined: 7/7/2007
Status: offline 		I have dated a vegan. It was no big deal.

And I don't eat green food.

_____________________________

"If you don't live it, it won't come out your horn." Charlie Parker

(in reply to eihwaz)
Profile   Post #: 8
RE: veganism a hard limit? - 6/15/2010 8:07:40 PM   
laurell3


Posts: 6577
Joined: 5/5/2005
Status: offline 		Haha you guys crack me up. I wouldn't care about their diet. I am not a vegan or vegetarian but I have alot of food limits. Aw darn I guess Des won't be cooking for me.

_____________________________

I cannot be defined by moments in my life, but must be considered for by the entirety of my existence.

When you fail to consider that I am the best judge for what is right for me, all of your opinions become suspect to me.

(in reply to eihwaz)
Profile   Post #: 9
RE: veganism a hard limit? - 6/15/2010 8:17:37 PM   
eruditebeau


Posts: 4
Joined: 5/5/2010
Status: offline 		If you are a vegan, you may have legit points about why you are one. Yes, it's absolutely disgusting that chickens are raised with their feet cut off; yes it is horrid that animals are fed things that lead to their demise; yes, it is awful that many veal cannot even walk; however, it isn't in all practices

Pick your poison--

1) You want to play the religious card, and it is morally wrong. Okay, but there isn't a religion on Earth that places veganism as one of its fundamental values. If eggs are bad, then you should also know that thousands of fertilized eggs are naturally aborted and wasted during all mammal's ovarian cycle.

2) You believe it is healthier. As stated, many people with thryroid problems cannot tolerate soy, as with many others. Ever tried being a gluten-free vegan? Good luck starving while you have Celiac disease.

3) It makes you smell better and has so many other benefits. This is fine by me, but you have to understand why others find holes in your values. It may be their limit, but it isn't everyones. Some cultures place less emphasis on body hair, body odor, and other things; meanwhile, many of these cultures are those that place a value on vegetarianism.

4) If men can cultivate food, why kill an animal? We've had to do it for survival, and while certain meats aren't exactly shining medals of what is good for you, it has sustained our species for tens--really more--of thousands of years. We aren't naturally herbivores; we are omnivores. We eat what we can: berries, fruits, and whatever will give us energy.

< Message edited by eruditebeau -- 6/15/2010 8:19:27 PM >

(in reply to laurell3)
Profile   Post #: 10
RE: veganism a hard limit? - 6/15/2010 8:18:15 PM   
Aileen1968


Posts: 6062
Joined: 12/12/2007
From: I miss Shore, New Jersey
Status: offline 		"If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?"

_____________________________



(in reply to eihwaz)
Profile   Post #: 11
RE: veganism a hard limit? - 6/15/2010 8:21:39 PM   
laurell3


Posts: 6577
Joined: 5/5/2005
Status: offline 		We don't need no thought control.

_____________________________

I cannot be defined by moments in my life, but must be considered for by the entirety of my existence.

When you fail to consider that I am the best judge for what is right for me, all of your opinions become suspect to me.

(in reply to Aileen1968)
Profile   Post #: 12
RE: veganism a hard limit? - 6/15/2010 8:33:19 PM   
NuevaVida


Posts: 6707
Joined: 8/5/2008
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: eihwaz

A number of profiles state veganism as a hard limit.  Most people don't practice veganism, but why would someone consider it a hard limit?  Is there some kind of vegan kink I don't know about?


Ignorance, I think.

My owner's daughter is vegan.  I don't cook two separate meals, I educate myself on what she can and can't eat, and incorporate that into the overall dinner.  Pasta is easy - saute some chicken on the side and add it later.  BBQ?  Veggie kabobs for the girl, then put the beef on for shish kabobs for the man. There are all sorts of ideas for vegan meals, if you're creative.  Read labels and look for the V (although packaged vegan foods can be more expensive).  It's easy to feed her.  I told her to educate her parents on what she can eat, so they don't get so frustrated.

The only downside I see is that it can be hard to find a decent place to go to dinner, and I have to pay closer attention shopping.  But she's not actively political about it; she's just exercising her own personal choice.

But it's probably just as likely that vegans have carnivores as a hard limit, so it all evens out.


_____________________________

Live Simply. Love Generously. Care Deeply. Speak Kindly.



(in reply to eihwaz)
Profile   Post #: 13
RE: veganism a hard limit? - 6/16/2010 2:26:35 AM   
areallivehuman


Posts: 277
Joined: 1/16/2010
Status: offline 		I've been a vegan for a litle over 2 years now, for health reasons. And it is actually helping. I am not a militant vegan. I do believe animals were put on earth for man to use. I have no problem with wearing leather, nothing works better. Someday in the future I may eat meat again. But I firmly believe that current animal husbandry and general food producton practices are contributing to the epidemic of obesity and cancer in Western society. I don't begrudge anyone the right to eat whatever they want. My choice works for me.
Just thought you all should know that not all vegans are self-righteous fanatics.

(in reply to NuevaVida)
Profile   Post #: 14
RE: veganism a hard limit? - 6/16/2010 7:45:02 AM   
juliaoceania


Posts: 21383
Joined: 4/19/2006
From: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
Status: offline 		I love cooking and eating with my partner. I do not date vegans. I have friends that are vegan, and when I have parties I always have to prepare special stuff for them. It is a pain in the ass, but they are my buddies so I make dietary allowances for them. I cannot imagine living my entire life like that. Since I am usually the person who prepares food wherever I go, I would ideally like someone who has similar tastes.

It is not a hard limit, but telling me not to eat animals is. My argument to vegans who have tried to warn me of the health risks of eating meat... "Look in your mouth and tell me what kinda teeth you find there" and also "Tell me, how many stomachs do you possess to extract plant protein". I think veganism is an unhealthy lifestyle choice.... just me, etc

_____________________________

Once you label me, you negate me ~ Soren Kierkegaard

Reality has a well known Liberal Bias ~ Stephen Colbert

Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

(in reply to eihwaz)
Profile   Post #: 15
RE: veganism a hard limit? - 6/16/2010 8:06:10 AM   
DesFIP


Posts: 25191
Joined: 11/25/2007
From: Apple County NY
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: laurell3

Haha you guys crack me up. I wouldn't care about their diet. I am not a vegan or vegetarian but I have alot of food limits. Aw darn I guess Des won't be cooking for me.


I have a kid with a lot of food limits, Sensory Integration Disorder, not just picky. The Man's diabetic. I just can't imagine having to add more limits. I'm working around a lot of stuff as is. If this was the only problem to deal with then maybe, if they didn't preach. However most vegans I know are heavy on the preachy bit.

But you can come for tea and cookies? How about that? Although most good pastry products are heavy on the butter and eggs.


_____________________________

Slave to laundry

Cynical and proud of it!


(in reply to laurell3)
Profile   Post #: 16
RE: veganism a hard limit? - 6/16/2010 9:52:06 AM   
Moonhead


Posts: 16520
Joined: 9/21/2009
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

I've found that vegans tend to be holier than thou about their dietary choices and I don't find that trait appealing in someone I spend time with.

To be fair, a lot of meat eaters take a pretty holier than thou attitude as well. It could be argued that's how you're coming across yourself, as a matter of fact. I admit that I have dealt with a few self righteous vegetarians in my time, but I've also met a lot more self righteous omnivores, most of whom spend a lot of time slagging off the other lot before arguing that their own shit doesn't stink. Whatever you say about the vegans, at least they aren't prone to that sort of hypocrisy, are they?

As for beau:
quote:

1) You want to play the religious card, and it is morally wrong. Okay, but there isn't a religion on Earth that places veganism as one of its fundamental values. If eggs are bad, then you should also know that thousands of fertilized eggs are naturally aborted and wasted during all mammal's ovarian cycle.

Try looking up Jainism on wiki. The hare krishnas and several flavours of buddhism also follow a strict vegetarian diet. I think that the Sufis do as well, but I'm not sure about that one.

_____________________________

I like to think he was eaten by rats, in the dark, during a fog. It's what he would have wanted...
(Simon R Green on the late James Herbert)

(in reply to DomKen)
Profile   Post #: 17
RE: veganism a hard limit? - 6/16/2010 10:04:37 AM   
juliaoceania


Posts: 21383
Joined: 4/19/2006
From: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
Status: offline
quote:

To be fair, a lot of meat eaters take a pretty holier than thou attitude as well. It could be argued that's how you're coming across yourself, as a matter of fact. I admit that I have dealt with a few self righteous vegetarians in my time, but I've also met a lot more self righteous omnivores, most of whom spend a lot of time slagging off the other lot before arguing that their own shit doesn't stink. Whatever you say about the vegans, at least they aren't prone to that sort of hypocrisy, are they?


I am a self righteous omnivore. I have a friend that was over at my house and I asked her if she could eat poultry (some veggie people eat poultry or fish) as I wanted to make her lunch. In her most haughty voice she informed me "I like to eat down the food chain to less sentient lifeforms, thank you very much!"

I casually said, "So, you think Planet Earth values creatures based upon their gray matter, and the more gray matter you have, the more value you have"...and then I said..." i just don't think of life like that, plants have as much value as I do, and as a chicken does, and since we all have to eat something I can't say a chicken is better than a head of lettuce"

She didn't like that

_____________________________

Once you label me, you negate me ~ Soren Kierkegaard

Reality has a well known Liberal Bias ~ Stephen Colbert

Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

(in reply to Moonhead)
Profile   Post #: 18
RE: veganism a hard limit? - 6/16/2010 10:05:39 AM   
pahunkboy


Posts: 33061
Joined: 2/26/2006
From: Central Pennsylvania
Status: offline 		I love food.

(in reply to juliaoceania)
Profile   Post #: 19
RE: veganism a hard limit? - 6/16/2010 1:38:39 PM   
Moonhead


Posts: 16520
Joined: 9/21/2009
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

To be fair, a lot of meat eaters take a pretty holier than thou attitude as well. It could be argued that's how you're coming across yourself, as a matter of fact. I admit that I have dealt with a few self righteous vegetarians in my time, but I've also met a lot more self righteous omnivores, most of whom spend a lot of time slagging off the other lot before arguing that their own shit doesn't stink. Whatever you say about the vegans, at least they aren't prone to that sort of hypocrisy, are they?


I am a self righteous omnivore. I have a friend that was over at my house and I asked her if she could eat poultry (some veggie people eat poultry or fish) as I wanted to make her lunch. In her most haughty voice she informed me "I like to eat down the food chain to less sentient lifeforms, thank you very much!"

I casually said, "So, you think Planet Earth values creatures based upon their gray matter, and the more gray matter you have, the more value you have"...and then I said..." i just don't think of life like that, plants have as much value as I do, and as a chicken does, and since we all have to eat something I can't say a chicken is better than a head of lettuce"

She didn't like that

You're hardly disproving my point there.

_____________________________

I like to think he was eaten by rats, in the dark, during a fog. It's what he would have wanted...
(Simon R Green on the late James Herbert)

(in reply to juliaoceania)
Profile   Post #: 20
Page:   [1]
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> veganism a hard limit? Page: [1]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.125